Goal Line Stand vs Ravens

[ArtVandalay]

Great sequence here.  A little bit of everything... pass underneath, made tackle. Huge run stuff blowing up the RB for a loss. Jackson runs tackled short. Jackson scrambles and throws intercepted. 

 

Defense literally covered everything in those 4 downs.

 

[Jerome007]

It was a thing of beauty

[SWATeam]

That 3rd down run I thought for sure he was going to get in.  

[MasterStrategist]

Entire defense stepped up. 

 

That 2nd-4th down sequence were 3 plays of the game...something that we might look back on later in year as super critical. Milano, Hamlin, Poyer superb there! And the pass rush containing Lamar as well/getting hands up to make it difficult for him to see Duvernay.

[TheBrownBear]

14 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Entire defense stepped up. 

 

That 2nd-4th down sequence were 3 plays of the game...something that we might look back on later in year as super critical. Milano, Hamlin, Poyer superb there! And the pass rush containing Lamar as well/getting hands up to make it difficult for him to see Duvernay.

I feel like the Hamlin play has gone a little overlooked.  It was a hell of a play not to freeze, but attack LJ and funnel him towards Poyer.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Perhaps, if they did a better job stopping them sooner, wouldn't have needed the goal line stand & I would still have fingernails left. Do better D. 

 

 

 

Sorry Jordan, I was kidding, you guys did awesome!!!!

[Airseven]

The most valuable contributor in that sequence for the Bills was Harbaugh.

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, Airseven said:

The most valuable contributor in that sequence for the Bills was Harbaugh.

Disagree.  If you believe in the analytics or not, you assess what has happened to that point in the game and make a decision off that... I'd go for that as well. 

 

I could list out all the reasons as to why you go for it, but it was the INT that really caused the decision to backfire.  Pinning a team at their 2, in pouring rain is usually not a bad decision. 

 

I'm convinced Josh drives us for a TD, if they kick that FG.

[RochesterLifer]

I think Lamar Jackson is being let off the hook here. He backpedaled and threw a floater off his back foot. We can recognize that Poyer (he sure did!) made a great play and we can debate the Harbaugh call. However, a veteran QB panicked and threw a prayer that got intercepted. I put that on Jackson.

[NewEra]

They were averaging 35 ppg iirc. We shut them out for over a half in a situation where one score beats us.  The DL, missing Ed and Phillips, came up big.  Milano is playing like an all pro-  Poyer is an all pro.  So is Von Miller.  Rousseau playing like an all-pro.  Tremaine playing like an all pro.  Daquan playing like a pro bowler.  After a tough start, our D flexed on Baltimore.  

[Scott7975]

19 minutes ago, Airseven said:

The most valuable contributor in that sequence for the Bills was Harbaugh.

 

I dont think so.  If we were in that goal to go situation against the Chiefs and McD kicked a FG there only for Mahomes to march down the field for a game winning TD you would be here fuming about it.  Thats why Harbaugh went for the TD there.

[ILBillsfan]

Lamarr was so locked into Adrews on fourth down he had options to the left in the slot and then Duvernay.  The pressure certainly was really good even with both guys being held and ultimately led to pyer to get to Duvernay on a great INT...the stop on second down was incredible by the DT to take out the FB and pulling guard after swimming the initial block to let Milano stuff that play great series 

[RoyBatty is alive]

The holding on Miller on the last play was absurd not to be called.  How much more obvious could it be with a ref right by them.

[PonyBoy]

I think goal stops were all due to Too Tall Tremaine's head and arms blocking the play clock, thus throwing off the snap count of the Ravens. 😉

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

Lamarr was so locked into Adrews on fourth down he had options to the left in the slot and then Duvernay.  The pressure certainly was really good even with both guys being held and ultimately led to pyer to get to Duvernay on a great INT...the stop on second down was incredible by the DT to take out the FB and pulling guard after swimming the initial block to let Milano stuff that play great series 

yep. Guy is wide open on the left.  Gaping holes for Lamar to run through to the left.  Instead he back peddled because Andrew was the only read he thought about.  This is why Lamar is not an Elite QB, just an Elite athlete.  That open guy was open from the snap all the way through the endzone.  Josh would have laser beamed him.

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[Hsker4life]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

The holding on Miller on the last play was absurd not to be called.  How much more obvious could it be with a ref right by them.

True. But wasn’t the hold on Shaq?

[HoofHearted]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

yep. Guy is wide open on the left.  Gaping holes for Lamar to run through to the left.  Instead he back peddled because Andrew was the only read he thought about.  This is why Lamar is not an Elite QB, just an Elite athlete.

 

Drops are based on QB eyes. If Jackson were to have looked Milano's side first the coverage would be a lot tighter backside. It's all about closing down passing lanes.

[ILBillsfan]

5 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Drops are based on QB eyes. If Jackson were to have looked Milano's side first the coverage would be a lot tighter backside. It's all about closing down passing lanes.

There are multiple QB's in this league that are getting that ball there to the guy on the left bad read by the QB.  Also thought Baltimore should of lined up in a run formation as that would of insured worst case the Bills will be starting inside the 5 

[CA OC Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Disagree.  If you believe in the analytics or not, you assess what has happened to that point in the game and make a decision off that... I'd go for that as well. 

 

I could list out all the reasons as to why you go for it, but it was the INT that really caused the decision to backfire.  Pinning a team at their 2, in pouring rain is usually not a bad decision. 

 

I'm convinced Josh drives us for a TD, if they kick that FG.

Considering they started on the 20 yard line and Motor could have scored if he didn't give himself up (and even if he was stopped short Josh would have scored after), and if the Ravens kicked a FG the Bills likely would have started at or around the 25, it seems extremely likely Josh drives for a TD.

Edited October 4, 2022 by CA OC Bills Fan

[Uncle Monkeyhead]

12 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

Lamarr was so locked into Adrews on fourth down he had options to the left in the slot and then Duvernay.  The pressure certainly was really good even with both guys being held and ultimately led to pyer to get to Duvernay on a great INT...the stop on second down was incredible by the DT to take out the FB and pulling guard after swimming the initial block to let Milano stuff that play great series 

That DT play, I think it was Bryant (93?). He completely destroyed that blocking allowing Milano to get in there. 

[bmur66]

Awesome ain't it? Bills came up big.

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

Great sequence here.  A little bit of everything... pass underneath, made tackle. Huge run stuff blowing up the RB for a loss. Jackson runs tackled short. Jackson scrambles and throws intercepted. 

 

Defense literally covered everything in those 4 downs.

 

There's Edwards just running into blockers again....smh - TBD

[Punching Bag]

47 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Perhaps, if they did a better job stopping them sooner, wouldn't have needed the goal line stand & I would still have fingernails left. Do better D. 

 

 

 

Sorry Jordan, I was kidding, you guys did awesome!!!!

 

Fingernails are overrated.  If you do not have them you can not chew them.

[Scott7975]

18 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Drops are based on QB eyes. If Jackson were to have looked Milano's side first the coverage would be a lot tighter backside. It's all about closing down passing lanes.

 

Yes but he never even looked.  As I said, Josh Allen would have gotten him the ball and so would many other QBs.  It doesnt get any more wide open then that in the redzone in the NFL.

10 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

Considering they started on the 20 yard line and Motor could have scored if he didn't give himself up (and even if he was stopped short Josh would have scored after), and if the Ravens kicked a FG the Bills likely would have started at or around the 25, it seems extremely likely Josh drives for a TD.

 

Motor gave himself up because he was in the process of fumbling the football that the Ravens almost punched out. But yes, I think they would have gotten the TD if needed.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[mushypeaches]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

It was a thing of beauty

 

LOL I was going to post that exact same quote, and I only got to the first reply before you beat me to it!

[RoyBatty is alive]

22 minutes ago, Hsker4life said:

True. But wasn’t the hold on Shaq?

Holding on both of them.

[ArtVandalay]

On the final pass we got lucky with Lamar making a poor decision. If your watch again, Lamar probably had the TD if he pulled a Josh Allen and instead of drifting back and to his right if he instead planned his foot and spun left around Lawson. Nothing but green grass and end zone options. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[HoofHearted]

27 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

There are multiple QB's in this league that are getting that ball there to the guy on the left bad read by the QB.  Also thought Baltimore should of lined up in a run formation as that would of insured worst case the Bills will be starting inside the 5 

It all depends on the read progression of the concept. They came out in Trips Bunch Squeeze to the bottom side of the field for a reason. They were expecting man and trying to run some rub routes to scheme a guy open. The reads are the reads.

19 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes but he never even looked.  As I said, Josh Allen would have gotten him the ball and so would many other QBs.  It doesnt get any more wide open then that in the redzone in the NFL.

Again, it looks worse than what it is. If Lamar looks left the window closes immediately because Milano is pushing to #2's hip at the snap.

[jletha]

I realize it was a great interception by Poyer to get there before the WR but...

 

Was it not Poyers man to begin with and he kinda lost track of him? Seems like he recovered from his own mistake.

[Scott7975]

9 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

It all depends on the read progression of the concept. They came out in Trips Bunch Squeeze to the bottom side of the field for a reason. They were expecting man and trying to run some rub routes to scheme a guy open. The reads are the reads.

Again, it looks worse than what it is. If Lamar looks left the window closes immediately because Milano is pushing to #2's hip at the snap.

 

He stuck to only one target Andrews until he ran out of time during his back peddle.  Thats not progression at all.  You cant tell me the most important play in their game only had one read.  Lamar is a half field QB.  Been his whole life and that hasnt changed in his 5 years of NFL play.

 

It doesnt look worse than it is.  It doesnt get anymore open than that.  Yes the coverage would roll but a good QB gets that ball there.  Enough excuses. He is trying to get the ball to Andrews.  Thats where your argument fails.  If you are saying the coverage would roll to where he is looking then why is he looking at the target he wants to throw to the entire way?  He already has the coverage moved to where he actually wants to throw.  Its time to read the field.  The read was there.  The play was there.  The receiver is as open as it gets.  He never once looked.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[HoofHearted]

15 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

He stuck to only one target Andrews until he ran out of time during his back peddle.  Thats not progression at all.  You cant tell me the most important play in their game only had one read.  Lamar is a half field QB.  Been his whole life and that hasnt changed in his 5 years of NFL play.

 

It doesnt look worse than it is.  It doesnt get anymore open than that.  Yes the coverage would roll but a good QB gets that ball there.  Enough excuses.

Andrews wasn't even the first read... Duvernay was. They were trying to pick to get him open. Also, he does look to the two receiver side first to try and pull the RAT that way before looking back to Duvernay. You can see it pull the coverage because of it. Sorry this isn't fitting your narrative big fella.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by HoofHearted

[LeGOATski]

26 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Holding on both of them.

Miller wasn't in on the last play, which was interesting in and of itself. Joe Marino on the Locked On Bills podcast pointed out that Miller's rush lanes actually weren't good during the game. For containing Lamar, Groot and Lawson were doing a better job being more disciplined in their rush lanes.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Miller wasn't in on the last play, which was interesting in and of itself. Joe Marino on the Locked On Bills podcast pointed out that Miller's rush lanes actually weren't good during the game. For containing Lamar, Groot and Lawson were doing a better job being more disciplined in their rush lanes.

My mistake 50 looked like 40 to me, it was Lawson and Rousseau.

[Motorin']

59 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

yep. Guy is wide open on the left.  Gaping holes for Lamar to run through to the left.  Instead he back peddled because Andrew was the only read he thought about.  This is why Lamar is not an Elite QB, just an Elite athlete.  That open guy was open from the snap all the way through the endzone.  Josh would have laser beamed him.

 

 

I think Lamar might have PTSD from trying to throw to the left end zone against the Bills. Just saying.

[Scott7975]

15 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Andrews wasn't even the first read... Duvernay was. They were trying to pick to get him open. Also, he does look to the two receiver side first to try and pull the RAT that way before looking back to Duvernay. You can see it pull the coverage because of it. Sorry this isn't fitting your narrative big fella.

 

 

 

It doesnt matter.  The receiver is open as any receiver is every going to get open in the endzone.  Good QBs get that player the ball.  Fact is he locked onto Andrews and only Andrews until the very end because thats really just about all he throws to.  

Edited October 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[HoofHearted]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

It doesnt matter.  The receiver is open as any receiver is every going to get open in the endzone.  Good QBs get that player the ball.

 

It's okay to learn a little bit about how football actually works through these conversations. 😉

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

 

It's okay to learn a little bit about how football actually works through these conversations. 😉

 

I really dont care how football works.  Lamar is not a good passing QB.  Andrews has more catches than his two primary receivers combined. 

 

Its really ok to recognize that receiver is the play here and he didnt look.  You think Allen dont look that way?  You think Mahomes dont look that way?  You think Brady, Rodgers dont look that way?  You think any of those QBs are locking onto one target only?  

18 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I think Lamar might have PTSD from trying to throw to the left end zone against the Bills. Just saying.

 

Meh.  I think Lamar is just a one to two read half field guy. 

[Buffalo Boy]

2 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Great sequence here.  A little bit of everything... pass underneath, made tackle. Huge run stuff blowing up the RB for a loss. Jackson runs tackled short. Jackson scrambles and throws intercepted. 

 

Defense literally covered everything in those 4 downs.

 

   I’m in Italy with my wife for our 25th anniversary.

   I actually managed to get this on streaming here but we are in the middle of nowhere and the connection was spotty. 
   We saw the second down play and lost the stream. By the tIme we got it back up Josh had the ball. We had no idea what happened and figured they missed a FG.

    What an awesome surprise when we found out what actually happened and it was yesterday when we finally saw the play.

    Anyone remember “ Hero Ball”?

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I dont think so.  If we were in that goal to go situation against the Chiefs and McD kicked a FG there only for Mahomes to march down the field for a game winning TD you would be here fuming about it.  Thats why Harbaugh went for the TD there.

Very well put.

 

This is exactly how I see it. Decision was good. Lamar made a huge mistake with that INT. Throw it away if it fails and Bills start at 2.

[HoofHearted]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I really dont care how football works.  Lamar is not a good passing QB.  Andrews has more catches than his two primary receivers combined. 

 

Its really ok to recognize that receiver is the play here and he didnt look.  You think Allen dont look that way?  You think Mahomes dont look that way?  You think Brady, Rodgers dont look that way?  You think any of those QBs are locking onto one target only?  

 

Then this is a conversation no longer worth having. Everyone is more worried about being right on here than learning something I guess.