SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 When you make a ballsy call You are either a 🦸♀️ or a 🐐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Motor26 said: Was absolutely beautiful to watch. You can even see Singletary go down at the 3 yard line at the end instead of going in for the TD. It was not quite perfect. Since it was third down, the correct analytics decison was to call the time with 8 seconds left, to allow for the possiblity of a bad snap or offensive penatly. The likelyhood of a penalty or bad snap is greater than the likelyhood of a kick off return for a TD with 3 ticks on the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 9/25/2022 at 4:17 PM, Bermuda Triangle said: McD should bring back Rex's Chaplain for challenge advice. Thank you for reminding me of the bad old days. The chaplain who was consulted on 4th down decisions like he was more of a voodoo priest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Just Joshin' Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 16 hours ago, Chaos said: It was not quite perfect. Since it was third down, the correct analytics decison was to call the time with 8 seconds left, to allow for the possiblity of a bad snap or offensive penatly. The likelyhood of a penalty or bad snap is greater than the likelyhood of a kick off return for a TD with 3 ticks on the clock. Can you link those analytics - interested to see the data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 On 10/2/2022 at 5:43 PM, HappyDays said: We've been outstanding on 3rd down conversions since 2020. It is absolutely sustainable because we have a freak show QB. That being said your point about early downs is correct. Singletary is just okay, Moss is terrible, Cook has made too many mistakes to trust him. So I don't know if a solution is coming this season. Being this good on 3rd and long is not sustainable. We'll always be better than average because we have the best QB in football, but we will not be this much better than league average. Our first and second down play calling has been poor, being in 3rd and 6+ is not how you win long term, and the best way to minimize the regression is to not face 3rd downs as much as the rest of the league. For an example of this, just look at the final drive in Baltimore where the Bills face zero 3rd downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 19 hours ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said: Being this good on 3rd and long is not sustainable. We'll always be better than average because we have the best QB in football, but we will not be this much better than league average. Our first and second down play calling has been poor, being in 3rd and 6+ is not how you win long term, and the best way to minimize the regression is to not face 3rd downs as much as the rest of the league. For an example of this, just look at the final drive in Baltimore where the Bills face zero 3rd downs. If the Bills play calling is so bad on first and second down, how did they manage to have 0 third downs on their final drive against the Ravens? It seems to me that poor play calling would manifest itself most notably in pressure-packed situations with the game on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) This thread may be a bit more respected now. I created this thread even when we we’re winning because bad coaching decisions can quickly lead to losing games. You can’t just excuse it away because we won the particular game the bed decision happened in. Other teams start picking up on your bad coaching tendencies and they take advantage of it. We can turn this around and make a run, but coaching needs to be better. Go Bills. Edited November 13, 2022 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: This thread may be a bit more respected now. It's not and you're not Coaching didn't lose this game, the guy throwing the ball did. Coaching had them in position to win multiple times, even with all the injuries. Edited November 13, 2022 by LeGOATski 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: It's not and you're not Coaching didn't lose this game, the guy throwing the ball did. Coaching had them in position to win multiple times, even with all the injuries. You don’t think we should have kicked the field goal, instead of sending your injured QB (who is also struggling in general) to try and convert 4th and goal? Not doubling Jefferson? Not calling any running plays in OT when the Vikings had 6 DB’s on the field? If not, then we can agree to disagree. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I don't think the coaching was good today. ESPECIALLY Dorsey. But Josh Allen has turned it over another 3 times. He cannot keep killing us like this. He is biggest reason for the last two defeat. Not good enough. All around. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I noticed McDermott kind of threw Josh under the bus at the very start of his post-game PC...basically saying you can't win when you turn the ball over 4 times. It's not like him to point at specific reasons for losses.... It's usually all "WE" didn't do enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Einstein said: You don’t think we should have kicked the field goal, instead of sending your injured QB (who is also struggling in general) to try and convert 4th and goal? Not doubling Jefferson? Not calling any running plays in OT when the Vikings had 6 DB’s on the field? If not, then we can agree to disagree. It wasn't 4th and goal, it was 4th and two. A good way to lose respect is to demonstrate how you weren't even paying attention... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I noticed McDermott kind of threw Josh under the bus at the very start of his post-game PC...basically saying you can't win when you turn the ball over 4 times. It's not like him to point at specific reasons for losses.... It's usually all "WE" didn't do enough. Yes, I heard that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I noticed McDermott kind of threw Josh under the bus at the very start of his post-game PC...basically saying you can't win when you turn the ball over 4 times. It's not like him to point at specific reasons for losses.... It's usually all "WE" didn't do enough. Really? I swear McDermott has said that exact same thing like 4 or 5 other times since becoming HC. "You can't turn the ball over like that" is extremely standard coach speak. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: It wasn't 4th and goal, it was 4th and two. A good way to lose respect is to demonstrate how you weren't even paying attention... You’re right. I must of thought it was 4th and goal since EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE RECEIVING OPTION ran into the endzone. So much for only needing 2 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) If we were gonna go for it on 4th and 2, how do you not run Josh 3 times in that situation when it’s 2nd and 2? Edited November 13, 2022 by BuffaloRebound 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: You’re right. I must of thought it was 4th and goal since EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE RECEIVING OPTION ran into the endzone. So much for only needing 2 yards. The offensive plays called in that series were truly baffling. Like truly baffling. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: The offensive plays called in that series were truly baffling. Like truly baffling. You’re right and it almost feels like Dorsey has no “plan”. He isn’t playing chess and setting up the defense for the next play. It almost feels like he is just calling whatever card looks good on the Madden screen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 McD is a great program-builder/turnaround expert. Do not believe he can win a championship in an 18-game season plus the playoffs with smart minds on the other side of the field. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: McD is a great program-builder/turnaround expert. Do not believe he can win a championship in an 18-game season plus the playoffs with smart minds on the other side of the field. Yeah he’s Marv Levy. Not Parcells. Or Belichick. Or even Reid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 On 10/2/2022 at 7:31 PM, Igotbills said: Time management at end of half and end of game wasn’t great, which continues to be a theme. End of half there was a play that was in bounds with around 50 seconds with all 3 timeouts and we don’t take a timeout we lose about 15-20 seconds. We end up 1st and goal with only 13 seconds left and I believe still 2 timeouts. This probably leaves us only 2 plays at the endzone, maybe a 3rd if go for it and drain the clock. End of game we are around the 50 with around 3- 3 1/2 minutes left and aren’t running the play clock down. Snapping the ball with 10-15 seconds left. it’s like we didn’t realize a field goal of wins the game until the last 3 plays. With everything that went wrong today, you're leading with time management? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: McD is a great program-builder/turnaround expert. Do not believe he can win a championship in an 18-game season plus the playoffs with smart minds on the other side of the field. Pretty much He just doesn't have it Not sure how many seasons of failing to meet expectations we must endure until this is acknowledged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 The fact that this thread can be legitimately resurrected every couple of weeks is troubling. McDermott is a choker. And the entire team is starting to reflect its head coach. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 He is a defensive coach and it’s obvious he’s lost confidence in his defense. They are feisty and the front seven plays hard, but this young secondary cannot hold up against big time receivers. They grab and hold and never knock balls away. 50/50 catches are commonplace for our opponents. He’s never been more than a conservative coach the players play hard for. If he can’t get Josh to cut down on turnovers, he needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, BeastMaster said: Pretty much He just doesn't have it Not sure how many seasons of failing to meet expectations we must endure until this is acknowledged Its coaching purgatory. He is better than half of the NFL Head Coaches. Just like Derek Carr has been better than than half of the QBs in the NFL most of his career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: You’re right. I must of thought it was 4th and goal since EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE RECEIVING OPTION ran into the endzone. So much for only needing 2 yards. And all Allen had to do was step to his left and take the 2 yards. You're screenshot is late in the play. He was in the mindset of needing the TD when all they needed was two. Then he even said in his presser "it's fourth down there, no reason to take the sack or throw it away." I love the never say die attitude with Allen when they're down in the game and it's 3rd or 4th and long, but in this case they are up by 10 pts and have the Vikings pinned in their own end. The reason coaches don't mind going for it on 4th down there is because if they miss it, they still have the other team pinned. Josh has to understand in this situation that it actually IS okay to throw it away. Not force an INT in the end zone and give away the good field position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think the coaching was good today. ESPECIALLY Dorsey. But Josh Allen has turned it over another 3 times. He cannot keep killing us like this. He is biggest reason for the last two defeat. Not good enough. All around. Allen has been playing like that the last few games, but you don't fix that during the game. You fix it during the week during practice and film study. Allen isn't right, but how's the coaching staff addressing this? Turnovers are a symptom. The coaching staff should be diagnosing the cause and working to fix it during the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: With everything that went wrong today, you're leading with time management? You quoted an old post. 6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: And all Allen had to do was step to his left and take the 2 yards. You're screenshot is late in the play. He was in the mindset of needing the TD when all they needed was two. Then he even said in his presser "it's fourth down there, no reason to take the sack or throw it away." I love the never say die attitude with Allen when they're down in the game and it's 3rd or 4th and long, but in this case they are up by 10 pts and have the Vikings pinned in their own end. The reason coaches don't mind going for it on 4th down there is because if they miss it, they still have the other team pinned. Josh has to understand in this situation that it actually IS okay to throw it away. Not force an INT in the end zone and give away the good field position. As a coach you have to take everything into consideration and make a decision. Consideration #1: Allen is injured. Consideration #2: Allen hasn’t been playing well. Take those two considerations and the obvious choice to me is “kick the field goal”. If Allen wasn’t injured and Allen was playing normal MVP level, fine, go for it. But he ain’t. And there is no point in pretending that he is. So kick the field goal, considering the circumstances. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yes, I heard that too. Josh needs to get that message, thought last week would have taught him, maybe this will wake him up… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Josh needs to get that message, thought last week would have taught him, maybe this will wake him up… It’s not something he can learn by his coach saying to cut out turnovers. It’s not like he intended to severely underthrow Davis. Or throw it directly to a defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: You quoted an old post. As a coach you have to take everything into consideration and make a decision. Consideration #1: Allen is injured. Consideration #2: Allen hasn’t been playing well. Take those two considerations and the obvious choice to me is “kick the field goal”. If Allen wasn’t injured and Allen was playing normal MVP level, fine, go for it. But he ain’t. And there is no point in pretending that he is. So kick the field goal, considering the circumstances. Why neuter your star player? The only way he's going to get past the struggle is by actually working through it. Allen is not someone you try to cover up. You call it the way you know he can play because he's going to work through it eventually. And that's how you get him ready to make all the right decisions in the playoffs. He has to learn from it now, not later. He should've take what was given today. If he didn't that, no one would be blaming coaching because the fact is that coaching had them in position to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, LeGOATski said: Why neuter your star player? The only way he's going to get past the struggle is by actually working through it. I completely disagree. I think Allen is someone who gets his mojo back by incremental successes. That’s why some people call him streaky. When he is in a rhythm, he is impossible to stop. But when he’s off, you have no idea what will happen. Daboll, whenever Allen started going haywire, would return to quick, short throws. Get him back in a rhythm. Take wins when you can. Take the 20 point lead in the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 On 9/25/2022 at 6:30 PM, zow2 said: Remember when the Bucs kept getting close with Dungy, then finally had enough and traded for John Gruden. Gruden then lead them to a Super Bowl win. Sure do. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 McD is gonna squander all this talent. 3 years in a row he’s had us flame out in the playoffs. This season is a perfect microcosm of his coaching. Losing to inferior teams. Losing with games in complete control. Poor in game decisions. And the most important one, he still doesn’t understand that his best player doesn’t how to regulate his play. He’s like a ferrari with no breaks. You need to control him through play calling (not neuter him), go for FGs and don’t make the whole team dependent on his play. McD will never be a championship coach. Great DB coach? Yes. Good coach? Yes. If the Bills don’t win the SB this year, go get Peyton. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 You just don’t see other teams as highly touted as this Bills club, lose games the way they do. In such inexplicable crushing fashions. Just chokers. Coaching has to be a big part of it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said: McD is gonna squander all this talent. 3 years in a row he’s had us flame out in the playoffs. This season is a perfect microcosm of his coaching. Losing to inferior teams. Losing with games in complete control. Poor in game decisions. And the most important one, he still doesn’t understand that his best player doesn’t how to regulate his play. He’s like a ferrari with no breaks. You need to control him through play calling (not neuter him), go for FGs and don’t make the whole team dependent on his play. McD will never be a championship coach. Great DB coach? Yes. Good coach? Yes. If the Bills don’t win the SB this year, go get Peyton. Well said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: Why neuter your star player? The only way he's going to get past the struggle is by actually working through it. Allen is not someone you try to cover up. You call it the way you know he can play because he's going to work through it eventually. And that's how you get him ready to make all the right decisions in the playoffs. He has to learn from it now, not later. He should've take what was given today. If he didn't that, no one would be blaming coaching because the fact is that coaching had them in position to win. I agree with you in part. Even though JA17 isn't tip top at the moment, I have faith that he can get over the hump. Where I disagree is about coaching. Those 3rd and long conversions were absolutely brutal. Not taking the FG was a huge miscue. Plus, watching the first half was a great joy, where the second half was the exact opposite in a number of facets of the game. Yeah, players have to execute, but at some point you wonder about stinker plays on O that lead to near turnovers or punts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said: McD is gonna squander all this talent. 3 years in a row he’s had us flame out in the playoffs. This season is a perfect microcosm of his coaching. Losing to inferior teams. Losing with games in complete control. Poor in game decisions. And the most important one, he still doesn’t understand that his best player doesn’t how to regulate his play. He’s like a ferrari with no breaks. You need to control him through play calling (not neuter him), go for FGs and don’t make the whole team dependent on his play. McD will never be a championship coach. Great DB coach? Yes. Good coach? Yes. If the Bills don’t win the SB this year, go get Peyton. I agree with a lot of this but I’m sure McD’s loyalists who think he is above criticism will continue to defend him while blaming everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said: McD is gonna squander all this talent. 3 years in a row he’s had us flame out in the playoffs. This season is a perfect microcosm of his coaching. Losing to inferior teams. Losing with games in complete control. Poor in game decisions. And the most important one, he still doesn’t understand that his best player doesn’t how to regulate his play. He’s like a ferrari with no breaks. You need to control him through play calling (not neuter him), go for FGs and don’t make the whole team dependent on his play. McD will never be a championship coach. Great DB coach? Yes. Good coach? Yes. If the Bills don’t win the SB this year, go get Peyton. You're really oversimplifying winning games in the NFL. You're also suggesting firing our current head coach, and bringing in another coach who has an almost identical career win percentage, has a lower percentage of playoff appearances vs years active, and has flamed out in the playoffs 9 out of 10 years he made it. All this despite having a top ten all time Quarterback for most of those years. Its easy to be short sighted after a loss but McDermott has been a fine coach for the BIlls. Edited November 14, 2022 by thenorthremembers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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