LA Chargers @ KC Chiefs - TNF Game Thread

[The Red King]

One play, just one, and you have a 14-point swing along with momentum.  The Chargers never looked the same after that.  They had 'em.

[Zerovoltz]

4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

After watching tonight, I still see Chargers winning AFC West with 10 wins. I still see Bills Chargers in Buffalo for AFC Championship 

It's too early to say you are wrong, but KC has a 1 game lead already with a division win in hand.  For the Chargers to win the division winning only 10, that would mean KC is going to have a disaster in the last 15 games.  KC would need to go 8-7 or worse in the remaining games, with one of those being a loss the the Chargers AND also finishing with a worse division record or other tiebreaker if they finish tied at 10.  That doesn't seem likely.

 

6 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Both teams resisted running the ball last night. Chargers suffered from bad play calling esp that call from the 3 which resulted in the terrible pick6.

As for the Chiefs , they did look out of sorts including Mahomes. And why the heck did Reid draft CEH in the first round if he was g gong to make him a part (even a small one) of the O?

 

1.  one of the worst attributes of Andy Ried is he just doesn't like committing to the run, even when it's working...and you can couple that with wanting to be cute on short yardage plays where he calls very ill advised, low pct run plays when he either should just pass, or commit to a conventional straight line run.  Either way...last nights game was NOT one of Andy's better performances as a play caller.  

 

2.  Kansas City has a good line, but the OT are both beatable with a good speed rush.  Von Miller will be a problem.

 

3.  The Chargers roster is stacked.  They suffer from horrible, sub optimal play calling.  Joe Lombardi doesn't know how to coordinate an offense without Sean Payton telling him what to do with Drew Brees at QB.  Lombardi fails to utilize Herbert to his full potential.  The Chargers are held back by bad coaching.

 

4.  All 17 games aren't always going to be masterpieces.  KC got steamrolled by the Titans last year,  The Bills lost to the Jags.  Both teams played at a high level (offensively at least) in a huge playoff game.  Sometimes you need some breaks, and sometimes you need a defesnsive or special teams score to be the difference.

 

5.  I've seen some saying that if the Chargers had scored the TD instead of KC getting the 99 yard pic 6, that would have been the ball game.  .....It would of course been WAY better for the Chargers, but that happened when the game was tied at 17.  KC would have been down 7, with the ball with like 8 minutes left in the game or whatever.  You can't say that was game over.  The Chargers as it were, got the ball back down 24-17 and didn't do anything with it.

 

 

[BBills_88]

9 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

It's week two...

I understand but you can see the difference Without Hill when they play a competent defense.

[Son of a K-Gun]

4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

After watching tonight, I still see Chargers winning AFC West with 10 wins. I still see Bills Chargers in Buffalo for AFC Championship 

I don't know, pretty hard to picture a team winning the West with only 10 wins.  I know that the narrative is that they are all going to beat each other up, but I don't see the Broncos being in this race at all.  I just don't rate the current version of Russell Wilson, and I have thought this for over a year now not just after week 1.  Chargers are playing a 3rd place schedule that should see them getting 11+ wins, and the Chiefs are almost a lock for 10+ as well.  

I was also thinking last night about the coaching gap in the AFC West.  Andy Reid has 406 games under his belt as an NFL HC while the trio of Staley, McDaniels and Hackett have a total of 49 with a combined 21-28 record.  Coaching has an impact and this is a big advantage in KC's favour that doesn't seem to be talked about very much.

[zow2]

The Chiefs look a little different without Tyreek Hill,  but as long as they have Mahomes and Andy Reid, they will be a very tough out.  The thing that favors Kansas City over Buffalo (until proven otherwise)...is that KC knows how to win the close games.  They always win the close games.  The Bills haven't shown the ability to do that over the past year.  So we shall see.  

[SoCal Deek]

If you watch the play before the pick six, Everett makes a great catch and run to get the Chargers down into scoring position. He gets up and immediately motions to the bench that he needs to be taken out. The Chargers ignore his request and elect to go fast, thinking they have the Chiefs on their heels. Herbert makes the mistake of throwing to his exhausted (or possibly injured) receiver, who just stands there instead of making any sort of move/cut on his route, and when the ball is intercepted he continues to stand there with virtually no attempt to stop the defender…but instead fumbles for his mouthpiece which has popped out at the moment. So, what happened on that fateful play? Answer: the Chargers screwed up! Watching it live last night I couldn’t believe they didn’t sub Everett out. Dumb. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Why all this great hype on Mahomes from last night's game? He should've had 3 INTs and lost that game. 

[clayboy54]

7 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why all this great hype on Mahomes from last night's game? He should've had 3 INTs and lost that game. 

Except the great Herbert and Co grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.

San Diego Chargers are NOT who we think they are.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Except the great Herbert and Co grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.

San Diego Chargers are NOT who we think they are.

 

They are exactly who I thought they were. They Chargered. 

[Beck Water]

27 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why all this great hype on Mahomes from last night's game? He should've had 3 INTs and lost that game. 

 

I mean, we could say the same about Allen and the Bills?  "Why all this great hype on Allen from last Thursday's game?  He HAD 2 INTs and the team fumbled twice.  They should have lost that game."

[KDIGGZ]

This entire game came down to 2 plays:

 

1. Asante Samuel Jr makes that INT and then Jeff Bezos radios down and says to change it so the first Amazon prime game is more interesting. Otherwise the game is over at that point.

 

2. Everett is tired and asking to come out but for whatever reason the Chargers run hurry up offense with a 1st and goal inside the 5 and plenty of time on the clock. He lazily runs his route and the throw is picked off and returned for 6.

 

KC didn't win that game, the Chargers lost it. A team that can't even make the playoffs can't win in the big moments. No surprise there

Edited September 16, 2022 by KDIGGZ

[Solomon Grundy]

13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, we could say the same about Allen and the Bills?  "Why all this great hype on Allen from last Thursday's game?  He HAD 2 INTs and the team fumbled twice.  They should have lost that game."

No!! Bills dominated that game in every aspect. Offensive, defensive and special teams. Chargers lost last night because of a pick six. The Bills had 4 TOs and the Rams scored 7 points, if I remember correctly

[muppy]

pfft. even I the most cynical jaded scoffer at the  entire LA Charger organization had began thinking THIS year they would with acquisitions (Mack)  have a similar story to the Bills with von miller. Steady ascent. I have friends here who would like to see that team do well. 

 

lol SMH What was I thinking? Same ole chargers. Been that way for years.  they can take their pipedream of LA being a city that will support that team and smoke it. Herbert I still think has great potential  but the franchise?

 

I scoff em mostly.

 

m

 

 

[Gunvald's Husse]

1 minute ago, Process said:

You clearly didn't watch either game. 

 

He could have easily had 5 INTs yesterday. Instead all these clowns in the media who just look at stats are talking about great he is and how he is the MVP favorite, when he played like crap. 

Played like crap? Hyperbole much? It wasn't a great performance and absolutely he didn't look like an MVP but let's not get caried away here. 🙄

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

One play, just one, and you have a 14-point swing along with momentum.  The Chargers never looked the same after that.  They had 'em.

It reminded me of the Taron Johnson pick 6 we had against the Ravens in the playoffs. Granted a lot less time on the clock in yesterday's game. 

[Motor26]

38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They are exactly who I thought they were. They Chargered. 

 

Chargers have been blowing games dating back to the beginning of the Phillip Rivers days. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Did Leslie Frazier learn anything watching the Chargers defense last night? Kelce was 5/51 yds. 

[Beck Water]

25 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

This entire game came down to 2 plays:

 

1. Asante Samuel Jr makes that INT and then Jeff Bezos radios down and says to change it so the first Amazon prime game is more interesting.

 

2. Everett is tired and asking to come out but for whatever reason the Chargers run hurry up offense with a 1st and goal inside the 5 and plenty of time on the clock. He lazily runs his route and the throw is picked off and returned for 6.

 

KC didn't win that game, the Chargers lost it. A team that can't even make the playoffs can't win in the big moments. No surprise there

 

There's something to the "Chargers lost it" or as I put it "KC has a lucky horseshoe up their butt" philosphy

 

But do you seriously think Jeff Bezos has a direct line to NFL refs during the game?  At worst, I felt that was a debateable call and that Samuel did appear to lose his grip on the ball as he went to the ground and it hit the turf before he picked it up.  The Chargers had other chances to pick Mahomes and couldn't seal the deal.  Their DBs need to hit the Juggs machine.

 

 

[SCBills]

33 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, we could say the same about Allen and the Bills?  "Why all this great hype on Allen from last Thursday's game?  He HAD 2 INTs and the team fumbled twice.  They should have lost that game."

Haaaaaa, ok. 
 

Not at all comparable.  
 

Bills dominated and turnovers kept Rams in it for a half.  
 

Chiefs struggled and it took a turnover & overturn of a turnover to decide the game. 
 

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by SCBills

[Beck Water]

16 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

No!! Bills dominated that game in every aspect. Offensive, defensive and special teams. Chargers lost last night because of a pick six. The Bills had 4 TOs and the Rams scored 7 points, if I remember correctly

 

And yet, we went into the half tied 10 - 10 despite that dominance.  Why is that?

 

I understand your point.  The Bills did appear to dominate the game at the LOS.  But when the dust settles, what we have is that despite that apparent dominence, and in part due to all the turnovers, the Bills didn't go up by 2 scores until the 4Q.  That won't cut it with a "Lucky Horseshoe Butt" team like the Chiffs.

[Nextmanup]

31 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

This entire game came down to 2 plays:

 

1. Asante Samuel Jr makes that INT and then Jeff Bezos radios down and says to change it so the first Amazon prime game is more interesting.

 

2. Everett is tired and asking to come out but for whatever reason the Chargers run hurry up offense with a 1st and goal inside the 5 and plenty of time on the clock. He lazily runs his route and the throw is picked off and returned for 6.

 

KC didn't win that game, the Chargers lost it. A team that can't even make the playoffs can't win in the big moments. No surprise there

Your second point was absolutely devastating.  LA had some momentum and were driving the field and looking to get a TD, and just like that, no TD but KC gets one instead.

 

Devastating play!  Biggest of the game.

 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

And yet, we went into the half tied 10 - 10 despite that dominance.  Why is that?

 

I understand your point.  The Bills did appear to dominate the game at the LOS.  But when the dust settles, what we have is that despite that apparent dominence, and in part due to all the turnovers, the Bills didn't go up by 2 scores until the 4Q.  That won't cut it with a "Lucky Horseshoe Butt" team like the Chiffs.

3 of the 4 TOs were in the 1st half hence the 10-10 tie. 2nd half, no contest!! 

[Son of a K-Gun]

6 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

 

Chargers have been blowing games dating back to the beginning of the Phillip Rivers days. 

 

I am guessing you are younger than me if you think the Chargers only started blowing games when Phillip Rivers came on board.

 

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Did Leslie Frazier learn anything watching the Chargers defense last night? Kelce was 5/51 yds. 

 

To be fair, Frazier always had to worry about Kelce + Hill...if DC's don't have to focus as much on the WR's it makes it easier to key on Kelce and take him away (to the extent you can actually take Kelce away at least).

[SCBills]

Good point made on GMFB.  Chargers didn’t just fade against the Chiefs, they did the same thing last week against the Raiders. 

 

We have our own demon to erase in 13 seconds against KC in the playoffs, but that was a one off… LAC just fades down the stretch as an identity.   They fade at the end of seasons, and through two games this year.. have faded down the stretch of actual games. 
 

Talented team, but they just come across as frauds.  Wear down their elite level starters throughout the course of a game/season and they seem to have no heart or depth. 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Haaaaaa, ok. 
 

Not at all comparable.  
 

Bills dominated and turnovers kept Rams in it for a half.  
 

Chiefs struggled and it took a turnover & overturn of a turnover to decide the game.

 

I understand your point that the "feeling" during the game was that the Bills were dominating.

My point is that in reality, the Rams were "in the game" until the 4Q when we (finally) went up by 2 scores.

 

You could say it took a low-probablilty deep completion to Gabe Davis and a rare pick on a deep target of Cooper Kupp  or it could have been a tie game in the 4th.

 

I'm not trying to "diss" the Bills here, my point is that at times, the Bills crapped the bed in the game vs. the Rams, and at times, Mahomes came through Big Time for his team last night.  So I don't think it makes any more sense to dump on Mahomes for that game, than it would to deny that Allen had his struggles and the Bills game vs the Rams ultimately hinged on a few big plays.

 

Mahomes had 68% completions for 235 yds and 2 TDs, including a beautiful 41 yd TD pass to bring the Chiefs back within 3 points.  It's not like he sucked.

 

 

[Son of a K-Gun]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

3 of the 4 TOs were in the 1st half hence the 10-10 tie. 2nd half, no contest!! 

The turnover differential was only -1...if the D hadn't stepped up and take the ball back the score might have looked a bit different.

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Your second point was absolutely devastating.  LA had some momentum and were driving the field and looking to get a TD, and just like that, no TD but KC gets one instead.

 

Devastating play!  Biggest of the game.

 

No argument there.  I don't know what to make of that play, except that if your team leaves you on the field you damned well better summon up everything you got to not allow your team to be victimized like that.

 

That was just bad all around.  Bad coaching, bad awareness by Herbert, half-assedness by Everett

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I understand your point that the "feeling" during the game was that the Bills were dominating.

My point is that in reality, the Rams were "in the game" until the 4Q when we (finally) went up by 2 scores.

 

You could say it took a low-probablilty deep completion to Gabe Davis and a rare pick on a deep target of Cooper Kupp  or it could have been a tie game in the 4th.

 

I'm not trying to "diss" the Bills here, my point is that at times, the Bills crapped the bed in the game vs. the Rams, and at times, Mahomes came through Big Time for his team last night.  So I don't think it makes any more sense to dump on Mahomes for that game, than it would to deny that Allen had his struggles and the Bills game vs the Rams ultimately hinged on a few big plays.

 

Mahomes had 68% completions for 235 yds and 2 TDs, including a beautiful 41 yd TD pass to bring the Chiefs back within 3 points.  It's not like he sucked.

 

 

Allen had the only questionable pass he threw all game intercepted.   And then he also had a perfectly fine throw picked off when McKenzie spazzed.  
 

If not for the McKenzie mistake, we put that game away early. 
 

Mahomes was fine.  I didn’t think he was great.  He got rattled by the pass rush, just like the Cinci game, until the Chargers got tired and apparently have no depth on the DL.   Every questionable throw he made, he was bailed out on…

 

Threw a deep pick and was bailed out by a bogus PI. 
 

Threw another pick.. bailed out by a penalty.  

Threw a pick in the end zone, dropped. 
 

Threw yet another pick and was bailed out by Samuel putting on a juggling act and then inexplicably being overturned on replay. 
 

He also made plays … yes, if you continue to bail out Mahomes and give him opportunities, he will take advantage. 
 

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by SCBills

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

No argument there.  I don't know what to make of that play, except that if your team leaves you on the field you damned well better summon up everything you got to not allow your team to be victimized like that.

 

That was just bad all around.  Bad coaching, bad awareness by Herbert, half-assedness by Everett

The frustrating part (if you're a Chargers fan) is that the only LA player who had a real shot at the ball carrier after the INT was Herbert himself...and he was well positioned to make the stop.  

 

But then close to the point of contact the runner made a quick move and it left Herbert grasping at air.  Needless to say, tackling is not what he is paid to do, but he could have shut that play down at about the 20 yard line I think, 80 yards short of the TD.  He's a much bigger guy than the DB and he could easily have brought him down, but he whiffed.

And from there, no one was going to catch that guy.

 

To be honest, I thought it was a poorly thrown ball.  He put it on the wrong side of the receiver, to the inside, when he should have thrown to the outside.  The throw also got there late, which is what allowed the DB to jump it.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

 

I am guessing you are younger than me if you think the Chargers only started blowing games when Phillip Rivers came on board.

 

 

To be fair, Frazier always had to worry about Kelce + Hill...if DC's don't have to focus as much on the WR's it makes it easier to key on Kelce and take him away (to the extent you can actually take Kelce away at least).

Yeah, even in the Dan Fouts era (who I always really liked and thought was underrated), the Chargers found ways to lose and were never an ultra elite team. 

 

I do remember that playoff game out in SD, though.  What was that? 1980?  We lost that one and it ripped my soul out, probably for the first time.  Age: 9.

 

 

[Zerovoltz]

Good teams win ugly games sometimes.

 

....to put that in perspective....  The Jags beat the Bills last year.  It happens.

 

But perhaps a better way to put it...  When is the last time ANYONE ever said "the Chargers won that game and they had no business winning it"  ...you never hear that about them...it's often the other way around though.   

 

And...I'll reiterate this one more time....  when the interception happened, it was 17-17 in the fourth quarter.  There were about 10 minutes left.  The Chargers had to punt.  The Chiefs got the ball back and punted...the Chargers had the ball back again with just under 6 minutes left, trailing 24-17.  They ended up punting again.

 

The interception return was the key play obviously, but the Chargers had TWO chances to drive and tie, and possibly win the game after that happend.  

 

The Chargers had 400 or so total yards.  KC had 320 or so total yards.  That stat was Even when the Chargers had their final drive...but by then KC was up 10 and KC was letting them have yards in exchange for running clock.  The Chargers were only 5-16 on third down, but 4-4 on 4th Down.... The Chargers only rushed for 75 yards on 25 carries.  That's 3.3 YPC.  

 

I'm not telling you the Chiefs are some juggarnaut, or that they don't get enough credit, but I am telling you the Chargers A) couldn't get it done in the 4th quarter and B) The Chiefs defense was a part of why they couldn't get it done.  C) The Chargers are held back by crappy coaching.  That's a strong roster.

 

[Beck Water]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Allen had the only questionable pick he threw all game intercepted.   And then he also had a perfectly fine throw picked off when McKenzie spazzed.  
 

If not for the McKenzie mistake, we put that game away early. 
 

Mahomes was fine.  I didn’t think he was great.  He got rattled by the pass rush, just like the Cinci game, until the Chargers got tired and apparently have no depth on the DL.   Every questionable throw he made, he was bailed out on…

 

Threw a deep pick and was bailed out by a bogus PI. 
 

Threw another pick.. bailed out by a penalty.  
 

Threw yet another pick and was bailed out by Samuel putting on a juggling act and then inexplicably being overturned on replay. 
 

He also made plays … yes, if you continue to bail out Mahomes and give him opportunities, he will take advantage. 

 

That's fair.  Mahomes wasn't bad.  He wasn't great.  He had some "ooooohs" and "aaaaaahs" plays. 

 

15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The frustrating part (if you're a Chargers fan) is that the only LA player who had a real shot at the ball carrier after the INT was Herbert himself...and he was well positioned to make the stop.  

 

But then close to the point of contact the runner made a quick move and it left Herbert grasping at air.  Needless to say, tackling is not what he is paid to do, but he could have shut that play down at about the 20 yard line I think, 80 yards short of the TD.  He's a much bigger guy than the DB and he could easily have brought him down, but he whiffed.

 

TBH, I don't think Herbert's heart was in making that tackle.  vs. Stafford, who was going to make that tackle if it tore his arm off.

 

15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

To be honest, I thought it was a poorly thrown ball.  He put it on the wrong side of the receiver, to the inside, when he should have thrown to the outside.  The throw also got there late, which is what allowed the DB to jump it.

 

Didn't one of the announcers (or maybe post game) say they thought the play called for the receiver to break to the inside?  I'm not sure it was a poorly thrown ball; the receiver was not where Herbert expected him to be, and I don't think we can say whether that was on Herbert, or on the receiver.

 

The thing that is clear is that the receiver was gassed or maybe dinged from a previous play and wanted to come out.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

11 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Good teams win ugly games sometimes.

 

....to put that in perspective....  The Jags beat the Bills last year.  It happens.

 

But perhaps a better way to put it...  When is the last time ANYONE ever said "the Chargers won that game and they had no business winning it"  ...you never hear that about them...it's often the other way around though.   

 

And...I'll reiterate this one more time....  when the interception happened, it was 17-17 in the fourth quarter.  There were about 10 minutes left.  The Chargers had to punt.  The Chiefs got the ball back and punted...the Chargers had the ball back again with just under 6 minutes left, trailing 24-17.  They ended up punting again.

 

The interception return was the key play obviously, but the Chargers had TWO chances to drive and tie, and possibly win the game after that happend.  

 

The Chargers had 400 or so total yards.  KC had 320 or so total yards.  That stat was Even when the Chargers had their final drive...but by then KC was up 10 and KC was letting them have yards in exchange for running clock.  The Chargers were only 5-16 on third down, but 4-4 on 4th Down.... The Chargers only rushed for 75 yards on 25 carries.  That's 3.3 YPC.  

 

I'm not telling you the Chiefs are some juggarnaut, or that they don't get enough credit, but I am telling you the Chargers A) couldn't get it done in the 4th quarter and B) The Chiefs defense was a part of why they couldn't get it done.  C) The Chargers are held back by crappy coaching.  That's a strong roster.

 

 

In the first half, I found myself saying "that's a Well Coached team" about the Chargers.  Would you disagree? 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Beck Water

[Livinginthepast]

This game was greatly affected by 2 bad calls by the officials. The first call was a PI call on the Chargers defense in the first half on a play where they got an interception. What looked like PI was actually an arm hook initiated by the KC receiver. KC then go on to score a TD and get back in the game. The 2nd was even huger on another INT that the refs overturned on review. Looking at it several times the Chargers defender has the ball in his grasp as part of the ball hits the ground. Its not a trap and definitely an INT. What's even more ridiculous is the call on the field was an INT and there wasnt definitive evidence to overturn yet they did anyway.  Nobody but KC gets calls like that.  In the end though the Chargers literally gift wrapped this game for KC. The Pick 6 was a terrible decision by Hebert and his pathetic attempt to tackle didnt even slow down the KC player. Just embarrassing but how many of you thought, "Ive seen this movie before" with Jeff Tuel of the Bills doing it against KC in almost the identical position in 2013.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Livinginthepast

[Beck Water]

29 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Did Leslie Frazier learn anything watching the Chargers defense last night? Kelce was 5/51 yds. 

 

The Chargers could learn something from watching Leslie Frazier's defense.  The Bills had 3 picks.  And they won.

[aristocrat]

Chargers reminded me of the Bills KC game a couple years back where we blinked when it came time for the 4th down go for it plays. Gotta have the gas on and the balls to put your foot on the throat when you need to. Impose your will on the other team. The Chargers defense held Mahomes to 3 punts and 1 td before that second punt. Gotta have faith in both your offense to convert and your defense to hold them. 

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

In the first half, I found myself saying "that's a Well Coached team" about the Chargers.  Would you disagree? 

 

 

I do.  That doesn't mean the Chargers aren't capable of excellent football.  they are, and they looked excellent, especially in the first quarter.  

 

I would say, it's not hard to find articles etc out there that document how they are very often less than optimal in their decision making and game planning, play calling etc.  But....just as you observe some of what they do....their coaches too often make the wrong choice or opt for a suboptimal call.  

 

Herbert is now 16-18 as a starter.  I think he's better than that record indicates and I think part of why it isn't better is coaching.  

 

 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why all this great hype on Mahomes from last night's game? He should've had 3 INTs and lost that game. 

Ya he was not impressive to me. And LA really lost that game instead of KC winning imo.

Messed up on that 95+ yard pick 6 , which was obviously a game changer. 

I was dialed in on TE Everett for fantasy purposes.  

He just had a great 25 yard reception and Was calling to the sideline for a breather. Instead LA goes hurry up, Herbert goes right back to him and you can see Everett had no energy and boom- pick 6

 

 

[BananaB]

11 hours ago, EffKCChiefs said:

#$%/ the Chiefs, luckiest team I've ever seen. 

Wouldn’t call it luck, it’s more like a helping hand by the fellas in stripes

[DrDawkinstein]

I havent dug through this whole thread, but are folks talking about those HUGE hits both Mahomes and Herbert were taking while IN THE POCKET?

 

With all these Bills fans concerned about Josh running, last night was another great example of QBs being most vulnerable while in the pocket, not while running.

 

We beat the crap out of Stafford - in the pocket.

Mahomes took a couple of big hits (one right under his chin, one into his legs) last night - in the pocket.

Herbert got crushed repeatedly, and injured - in the pocket.

 

In the pocket, QBs are sitting ducks and are completely vulnerable.

Out running, Josh does the hitting.

 

Put your concerns to bed. LET THE BEAST LOOSE!

[Zerovoltz]

6 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

This game was greatly affected by 2 bad calls by the officials. The first call was a PI call on the Chargers defense in the first half on a play where they got an interception. What looked like PI was actually an arm hook initiated by the KC receiver. KC then go on to score a TD and get back in the game. The 2nd was even huger on another INT that the refs overturned on review. Looking at it several times the Chargers defender has the ball in his grasp as part of the ball hits the ground. Its not a trap and definitely an INT. What's even more ridiculous is the call on the field was an INT and there wasnt definitive evidence to overturn yet they did anyway.  Nobody but KC gets calls like that.  In the end though the Chargers literally gift wrapped this game for KC. The Pick 6 was a terrible decision by Hebert and his pathetic attempt to tackle didnt even slow down the KC player. Just embarrassing but how many of you thought, "Ive seen this movie before" with Jeff Tuel of the Bills doing it against KC in almost the identical position in 2013.

 

I would agree that the INT overturned by replay, was the wrong call.  That was an INT.

 

the PI....that penalty is tough.  Sometimes that one is flagged, sometimes it's not.  Did the reciever initiate it?  Possibly....but the point is...part of the NFL unfortunately, is that you can expect some bad calls.  Sometimes they go your way, and sometimes they don't.  And....sometimes, you just need to be lucky and catch a break to win a game.