wppete Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Did OJ officially sign with Cincinnati? If not maybe we can get him on our practice roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Beane was given many options including removing Jim and bringing in new people - nearly the entire FO was replaced, but he kept Overdorf and still uses 5+ years later. Yes he kept him but unlike previous GMs he does not need to use him if he does not want. We will just have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, wppete said: Did OJ officially sign with Cincinnati? If not maybe we can get him on our practice roster? He's still trying to get to Cincinnati. Just not fast enough these days.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Yes he kept him but unlike previous GMs he does not need to use him if he does not want. We will just have to agree to disagree. Agreed - we disagree, but since Beane has said he utilizes him on contracts and all cap issues - what does it tell you about Jim if they no longer “need” to use him, but choose to use him for signings? Considering he was so bad - seems strange that Beane not only did not get rid of him, but has promoted him to Senior VP and his assistant. They also leave Jim as lead negotiator for most contracts, but yeah your probably right - he is terrible at his job because of things done under bad GMs and ownership. Edited September 1, 2022 by Rochesterfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: It depends if Jim Overdorf was involved. If Bills get nothing you know he was. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/5/18/22442345/buffalo-bills-announce-front-office-changes-dan-morgan-departure-jim-overdorf-stepping-back One very large change was in the role of lead negotiator, where Jim Overdorf is transitioning out of the role in favor of Kevin Meganck. Joining the Bills in 1986, Overdorf has been the team’s vice president of football operations but will now be the senior advisor to the general manager. He will still be a major voice in contract negotiations, but won’t be the point person any more. Meganck has been with the Bills since 2004 working with Overdorf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Remember to petition for a Jim Overdorf idol to worship at before games. I am sure I saw one of those guys in a Peterman jersey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 1, 2022 Author Share Posted September 1, 2022 On 8/31/2022 at 11:43 AM, machine gun kelly said: If we get any of that deadcap back, and I’m more confused than clarified after reading these posts. I’ll wait and ask Sal tomorrow. The pundits did commend Howard’s blocking, but who cares as he’s gone. Spilt milk. We get some back if he signs, but not until next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Thanks Yolo as always. I tried earlier today, but didn’t get through to WGR. We need it next year anyway, not this year so is a good thing if he clears medical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falgobofu Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 I was excited when he signed, hoping like many of us that the 2 TES in the Red Zone would be a nightmare. Now after looking at his stats he was never an impactful player in either College or the NFL. I am content now that we released him, especially since we get a couple million next year if he signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, wppete said: Did OJ officially sign with Cincinnati? If not maybe we can get him on our practice roster? No! He did not sign with the Bengals. On to Houston - reported to be undergoing a physical with the Texans https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/tight-end-oj-howard-visits-texans-stays-for-physical-reports/ar-AA11modp No deal in place, though. Quote NFL Network's Ian Rapoport first reported Howard's visit with the Texans, adding that Howard would take a physical and sign with the team. Pro Football Network's Aaron Wilson then reported no deal was in place, but confirmed that Howard is staying for a physical. Texans head coach Lovie Smith acknowledged earlier in the day that injuries had taken a toll on their tight end position. Pharaoh Brown has dealt with a hamstring injury. A knee injury put rookie Teagan Quitoriano on the injured list and the team released veteran Antony Auclair, who dealt with a knee injury throughout training camp. C'mon Texans! Sign that guy! Edited September 1, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Yes someone sign him. The Bills get cap relief next year if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fergie's ire Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Ahhh, yes. Houston. Where washed up careers go to die. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, fergie's ire said: Ahhh, yes. Houston. Where washed up careers go to die. Damn. I feel sorry for him. Started the year thinking about a Super Bowl ring, then had a pretty good fallback option with the Bengals, but ultimately, could only get on the Texans roster. Ugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 I'm just happy the OJ Howard F5 watch is over..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 This is exciting 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Damn. I feel sorry for him. Started the year thinking about a Super Bowl ring, then had a pretty good fallback option with the Bengals, but ultimately, could only get on the Texans roster. Ugh... Preseason is not just for UDFAs and 3rd day drafted rookies. Would hate to be player released by team especially if you had injuries slowing you down without even a preseason game for teams to see. Of course it helps when you put in a lot of effort despite it being just a preseason game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He has to be rostered the whole season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Doc said: He has to be rostered the whole season? He is a vested veteran so I do not think so. He needs to be on roster day 1. Texans could cut him, sign him week 2 with a verbal promise of contract next year and try to shift his money next year so he gets more from Bills. It could be a veteran minimum contract which may affect Bills cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 I didn't realize both Hughes and Addison are on the Texans. That roster is a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 What are the Bills salary cap implications of Howard signing with the Texans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 54 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Wow, I have the impression that Joe knows his stuff about the cap, but that wasn't my understanding of offset language at al. Since players are paid by the game, I thought you take whatever the new team pays per game - I think Howard's minimum salary is $1.035M or $57,500 per game - multiply by the number of games he's on a roster, and that's what the Bills get credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Wow, I have the impression that Joe knows his stuff about the cap, but that wasn't my understanding of offset language at al. Since players are paid by the game, I thought you take whatever the new team pays per game - I think Howard's minimum salary is $1.035M or $57,500 per game - multiply by the number of games he's on a roster, and that's what the Bills get credit for. Vested veterans have their entire salary guaranteed if they're on the 53-man roster to start the season. Only if they sign after week 1 do they get paid game-by-game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share Posted September 2, 2022 46 minutes ago, boater said: What are the Bills salary cap implications of Howard signing with the Texans? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Thanks Yolo. That settles it. It makes sense based on the rules. The conjecture was giving me a headache yesterday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: Vested veterans have their entire salary guaranteed if they're on the 53-man roster to start the season. Only if they sign after week 1 do they get paid game-by-game. You're getting stuff mixed, Doc. We all know Howard's salary was fully guaranteed, period, whether he's on the roster to start the season or not. Vested veterans may claim their entire salary if cut after the first day of the season one time during their career, so it's not all vested veterans all the time. That said, all NFL players get paid game by game during the season - whether their salary is guaranteed or not, whether they're a vested vet who has exercised his "once in career" guarantee, or whether they're a rookie. I believe income taxes are the reason for this, since the players owe state income tax due in the state where the game is held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If rather have the cap credit applied next year honestly. Getting another 1-1.5m this year doesn't change anything. We are still deep right now. Next year is when the big contracts kick in. Unless they really wanted obj this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: If rather have the cap credit applied next year honestly. Getting another 1-1.5m this year doesn't change anything. We are still deep right now. Next year is when the big contracts kick in. Unless they really wanted obj this year. If they want obj they can maneuver the cap to sign him imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If they want obj they can maneuver the cap to sign him imo I agree they can also. Just don't know what the other contenders are working with in terms of cap space that might want him (LAR or KC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 The Bengals got Bryant Johnston’ed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 58 minutes ago, Beck Water said: You're getting stuff mixed, Doc. We all know Howard's salary was fully guaranteed, period, whether he's on the roster to start the season or not. Vested veterans may claim their entire salary if cut after the first day of the season one time during their career, so it's not all vested veterans all the time. That said, all NFL players get paid game by game during the season - whether their salary is guaranteed or not, whether they're a vested vet who has exercised his "once in career" guarantee, or whether they're a rookie. I believe income taxes are the reason for this, since the players owe state income tax due in the state where the game is held. This is the first year he'll be eligible to take advantage of it. And if he gets cut by the Texans, one of the most talent-poor teams in the league, he'll in all likelihood take the full year's salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Bengals got Bryant Johnston’ed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Bengals got Bryant Johnston’ed! No they claimed the Patriots TE and likely told Howard not interested anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 5 hours ago, RunJoshRun said: Lets be honest - who really cares where he signs! He's a bum. I'm glad to see he signed with the Texans, who are no threat to the Bills, on the off-chance they got it wrong with him. And also for the cap relief it may provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 So Panthers become Bills And Bills become Texans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 If they had only made an OJ Howard Buffalo Bills Fisher-Price 'Little Person', he probably would have played for free. 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I know Spotrac is not the "official" cap space entity, but OJ Howard's 2022 dead money cost came down about $950k. Bills now have $3.1M in cap space. FWIW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: I know Spotrac is not the "official" cap space entity, but OJ Howard's 2022 dead money cost came down about $950k. Bills now have $3.1M in cap space. FWIW. I just noticed this too. If Sportrac is right then info from Sal that we get any cap space back next year was incorrect. But I guess Sal might be right and Sportrac just simplified things. Also, do we know if this is final or he needs to stay on the Texans roster (and we get some prorated number if he is cut)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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