Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[Billsfanatixs]

This is why we can have nice things...

😆

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Overall, a reasonable summary.  I think rolled into 2) is "He's telling a sexual partner to get tested for chlamydia because he's tested positive?  Whether or not rape or statutory rape happened, he's a skeevy turd of a human being, Eeeeewwww, Get Him Away!"

He was a star football player at college.  Chlamydia is like a sexually transmitted cold.  

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

yes there are degrees to things. do you think him getting oral from a girl misrepresenting herself as 18, willingly, is the same as a violent forceful gang rape.

 

hes not my matt, no. but i also dont want my team to be siding with a scumbag and i dont think theyd do it unless they had the utmost confidence there was no malice.

 

bills had an easy out in cutting araiza for haack for atleast 6 weeks... a few days back they cut haack and kept the rookie around. i dont think they believe he did anything wrong or they wouldve seperated themselves.

 

i dont want my team enabling a scumbag. yes i hope this isnt true, and the hookup was mutual, and that the gang rape was a seperate unrelated incident. 

 

dont we all want some variable of that?

they’ve only sided with him up to this point. Yes, the team claims they did an investigation. Who knows how thorough it was? Was it Browns-level thorough, where they didn’t interview a single victim? NFL teams have tons of financial resources to conduct these things, but little to no power to convince or compel people to talk to them. Who knows how they landed after this private investigation. Now that this is public, the optics are entirely different. The fact that they stuck with him up to today means little.

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

The lawsuit says the girl "thinks" she "might" have been given a spiked drink. That is the most tenuous claim made in the lawsuit. Women unknowingly ingesting date rape drugs is much less common than the public perception. Much more common is men or women drinking more alcohol than they realize, or drinking on an empty stomach, and blacking out as a result. I'm inclined to believe her when she says non-consensual sexual activity occurred in that bedroom, but I would be very surprised if a date rape drug was involved.

 

I agree that it's a tenuous claim, but the wording in the lawsuit is more positive than "thinks" and "might":

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Early on in the evening, Doe became separated from her friends and was approached by Araiza, who could observe that Doe was
heavily intoxicated. He handed her a drink anyway. Doe did not see Araiza pour her drink, but she accepted the drink and began consuming it. Upon information and belief, this drink not only contained alcohol, but other intoxicating substances.

 

 

[phypon]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Do you understand that the woman's claim is that she was gang-raped for 1.5 hrs by multiple men?

 

Do you understand that you are claiming to "not take sides" while actually taking a side when you refer to the woman's claim that she was gang-raped by multiple men as "woman then has sex with other men the same night after him"?

 

"Not taking sides" would be to say these are the allegations, no criminal charges have been filed, we don't know all the evidence.

 

From the lawsuit:

 

PS she does not claim that she was "unconscious" whilst outside with Araiza, but that she was already intoxicated and given another drink, which she consumed

Do you understand what it means to get all of the facts first?  If anyone is "taking sides" it's you.  You are white knighting.  If Araiza did the crime he should be punished.  Do you understand that I, nor anyone else in this thread thinks otherwise?  Do you also understand that just because someone claimed something that might not be true is an injustice?  

 

As for the bolded part, none of us know this.  If it is true and she was "conscious" while  being with Araiza you're claiming that it wasn't consensual based off of her alcohol intake.  What was her BAC?  Do we need to go that far?  It was a college party.  If she was raped or "gang raped", all of those men should be in jail for life. 

 

Sorry, bud, but you are making assumptions and jumping to conclusions and trying to be righteous about something where you don't have all of the facts.  Not sure why some people here have a problem with others wanting the facts.  On the speculation that has come out, most of us want facts.  You are the one taking sides even though you don't see that.

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

That's what the Browns did with Watson. 

 

Stop. The Watson situation played out over 18 months with two dozen accusers stepping forward. The Araiza situation hasn't even made it to 18 hours yet.

[pigpen65]

6 minutes ago, arcane said:

Did I miss Araiza's fully guaranteed 250 million dollar contract? What if the Bills cut Araiza at 8am? You are being a goofball

That's clearly not the point. Watson's not in jail, and he's not going to jail. The law is ***** for this kind of stuff. The point is that a lack of a conviction, or even a lack of charges being pressed doesn't mean innocence. What we already know is that the guy admitted on tape to having oral with a drunk minor. *****, that's enough. Cut him. After he's off the team and the stink of scumbag trash is out of the locker room is when the rest of the case can play out in court

[Riverboat Ritchie]

18 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 I don’t think anyone here really cares about the talent level.  As you state, he’s a punter.. we can just get a different one.

 

Its basically a debate, hours after this dropped, between three factions of fans:

 

1) He did it. He’s a monster.  Cut him and fire the legal department. 
 

2) He’s a punter.  Just cut him. This sucks. 
 

3) Don’t cut him until you do your due diligence.  This sounds pretty murky. Players may side-eye the org for cutting bait so quickly. 

At this point, you should probably be at 2/3. I’m probably at 2.  The details in complaint seem a bit murky and just because it is written down by an attorney who seems (from his tweets) a bit on the dramatic side, definitely does not make it fact. Who knows what recording said or what happened at house.  Obviously and I think most people on board would agree, if he did it he needs to pay a big price, criminally and civilly, but too early to tell. Can already tell though that these scummy “Hollywood” attorneys will eat this crap up.  As far as Bills, it’s a distraction and he’s a punter.  Move on sooner than later .  Go Bills. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Are you saying if it were Josh Allen, we should roll with this dark cloud?

yes. Allen’s earned every ounce of credibility from the team and the community.  And in terms of value he plays the complete opposite position of punter. 
 

hypothetically, you want to say the exact same accusation come out against Allen my reaction would be to probably want to suspend him with pay while the civil or criminal case plays out. 
 

with a punter there is nothing to consider. You just move on and get another one.

[pigpen65]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Stop. The Watson situation played out over 18 months with two dozen accusers stepping forward. The Araiza situation hasn't even made it to 18 hours yet.

That's incorrect. The team has known for a month at an absolute minimum

Edited August 26, 2022 by pigpen65

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Ok but again, if the girl was 16 or 17, she should make it known to him. How common is it for college students to only be 16 years old?

 

I dunno 🤷‍♂️.  I have the impression that it's not uncommon in college towns with a big party culture, for high school girls to crash them.

[SCBills]

Is it normal for a lawyer trying a rape case to be following a bunch of pornstars and OF girls on Twitter?

 

 

[Motorin']

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Stop. The Watson situation played out over 18 months with two dozen accusers stepping forward. The Araiza situation hasn't even made it to 18 hours yet.

 

It's 7 months old. And the Bills learned about it from the attorney of the young woman, not from Araiza. 

 

He hired a criminal defense attorney, but didn't let the Bills know that he was under investigation and facing a civil suit? 

 

I wonder how many Bills players are up thinking/ texting about this at 1:30 am like all of us?

[CountDorkula]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Ok but again, if the girl was 16 or 17, she should make it known to him. How common is it for college students to only be 16 years old?

Ahh so this is all her fault. 

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I dunno 🤷‍♂️.  I have the impression that it's not uncommon in college towns with a big party culture, for high school girls to crash them.

Ok. So, tell the guy you're a high schooler. Problem solved

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

Ahh so this is all her fault. 

And also she's lying. 

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

That's incorrect. The team has known for a month at an absolute minimum

 

Anyone trying to compare this is to the allegations against Watson is being disingenuous and I don't really feel the need to spell out the reasons why.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Cut him before all the facts come out?

 

The Bills also don't owe us anything. There is a legal matter pending, so it is prudent to be quiet, unlike the woman's lawyer.

he’s not worth the drama or the fight unfortunately. It is a no brained to cut him. More bad then good would come from keeping him on the team. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just saying... You can discount a punter... BUT a gut who can average over 50 yards a punt is a game changer.  

 

As a Bills fan, I gotta wait for more facts to come in and not let my emotions take over. Pat Kane is still playing.  So did Ben Roethlisberger... I was pretty hard on Kane, if more damning facts about Araiza come out, I will be hard on him too. 

 

Bills knew about this in July and still cut Haack anyway... That bodes well, I guess.

Edited August 26, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Is it normal for a lawyer trying a rape case to be following a bunch of pornstars and OF girls on Twitter?

 

 

I think mostly everyone can agree the two lawyers involved in this so far are not exactly normal 

[Beck Water]

 

3 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

That's incorrect. The team has known for a month. 

 

According to Wawrow's AP story, for 6 weeks

 

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

Ahh so this is all her fault. 

It's certainly not all his

[Patrick Duffy]

So obviously a serious situation that can get him kicked off the team. Some posters seem to think he's good as gone already. So as of now if Bills are waiting for the investigation is complete to decide to take action if needed,  doesn't Matt still gets to play during that process? Unless he ends up suspended by NFL. 

 

Is all that right in how things stand for now?? 

 

 

 

 

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I dunno 🤷‍♂️.  I have the impression that it's not uncommon in college towns with a big party culture, for high school girls to crash them.

thank you. Of course it’s completely common. There were a bunch of Halloween parties the night in question. Campus police aren’t spread in and around the college IDing people on the streets.

Edited August 26, 2022 by JoPoy88

[aceman_16]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

yes. Allen’s earned every ounce of credibility from the team and the community.  And in terms of value he plays the complete opposite position of punter. 
 

hypothetically, you want to say the exact same accusation come out against Allen my reaction would be to probably want to suspend him with pay while the civil or criminal case plays out. 
 

with a punter there is nothing to consider. You just move on and get another one.

So positional importance corresponds to how much time (or rather just allow) we give the justice system to make a determination of a player's innocence or guilt!??!

[JoPoy88]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Is it normal for a lawyer trying a rape case to be following a bunch of pornstars and OF girls on Twitter?

 

 

depends. Are they clients?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

 

I wonder how many Bills players are up thinking/ texting about this at 1:30 am like all of us?

 

my guess is quite a few. Good thing we don’t have an actual game that counts tomorrow.

[Alphadawg7]

12 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Bass wasnt the first kicker picked, beli's guy is out of the league already. hes kinda raw as a prospect. booming leg, but lacks direction and hangtime questions. i dont find it overly odd

Exactly.   People keep saying this about they were shocked he wasn’t the first punter taken, but Araiza wasn’t even the top punter on anyones board, and not always even in the top 2. He had real question marks about hang time and accuracy, which are far more important in the NFL than distance.  
 

The only reason people were shocked was because he had a cool nickname and was the only punter they heard of, but he wasn’t the best punter in college football.  He might end up being the best of the class as he has the most upside, but it was not a surprise he wasn’t the first one picked.  

Edited August 26, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[CountDorkula]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

It's certainly not all his

JFC you actually said This. 
 

 

[BillsShredder83]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

they’ve only sided with him up to this point. Yes, the team claims they did an investigation. Who knows how thorough it was? Was it Browns-level thorough, where they didn’t interview a single victim? NFL teams have tons of financial resources to conduct these things, but little to no power to convince or compel people to talk to them. Who knows how they landed after this private investigation. Now that this is public, the optics are entirely different. The fact that they stuck with him up to today means little.

Does anyone honestly think kim, beane or mcd would keep this dude around for talent? i trust them to do the right thing. if they cut ties tmrw, i dont believe itll be due to pressure, but some new finding. if they cut him, i think itll be for the right reasons. if they keep him on board and stand behind him, it will have nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with sticking up for "family" catching an unfair backlash. theyre not going to walk out of this is hypocrites to the lockerroom. the media might, but that wont matter. thats soooooooo engrained into mcd. stand up for what you believe is right, is the man i see him as. either way.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Just now, aceman_16 said:

So positional importance corresponds to how much time (or rather just allow) we give the justice system to make a determination of a player's innocence or guilt!??!

Of course.  It’s always been this way. Chalk it up to the saying “life’s not fair”. “The haves and the have nots.”

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Ok. So, tell the guy you're a high schooler. Problem solved

 

According to her lawsuit, she did

 

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Doe informed Araiza that she attended Grossmont High School. Araiza, who was 21 years old, knew or should have known that Doe was a minor. Despite her age and inebriated state, Araiza led Doe over to the side yard of the house where he told her to perform oral sex on him. She got on her knees and complied. Araiza pulled her up from the ground, turned her around facing away from the party, and used his penis to penetrate her ***** from behind.

 

If true, that's statutory rape right there. 

 

If she told people she was 18 (my kid was 18 as a senior in HS) then he may have a "mistake of age" defense

[ExiledInIllinois]

5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

he’s not worth the drama or the fight unfortunately. It is a no brained to cut him. More bad then good would come from keeping him on the team. 

You sure about that?  A guy who can punt 80 yards is one hell of an asset. The NFL record is 10 yards longer. HoF punters don't come within 10 yards of his first punt in NFL and that's their longest with a 1,000 punts on their foot.

 

I gotta let it play out more.  

Edited August 26, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

According to Wawrow's AP story, for 6 weeks

 

yeah it seems like the plaintiff’s attorney contacted them around July 30 but Araiza’s had already alerted them earlier.

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Just saying... You can discount a punter... BUT a gut who can average over 50 yards a punt is a game changer.  

 

As a Bills fan, I gotta wait for more facts to come in and not my emotions take over. Pat Kane is still playing.   So did Ben Roethlisberger... I was pretty hard on Kane, if more damning facts about Araiza come out, I will be hard on him too. 

 

Bills knew about this in July and still cut Haack anyway... That bodes well, I guess.

There's going to be a large contingency of Bills fans who will sour on them for this fact alone.  Cutting him tomorrow won't change that but it's better than keeping him.

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Is it normal for a lawyer trying a rape case to be following a bunch of pornstars and OF girls on Twitter?

 

 

 

Oh?  Which of these charming gentlemen of the law are so doing?

[CountDorkula]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Lol. Ok man. Most people at college parties are drinking and trying to get laid, it's safe to assume that the people there are college age. I could completely understand why someone wouldn't ask. I ask again,, WHY CAN SHE NOT TELL HIM HER REAL AGE? she knows she's a minor, wouldn't that be the right thing to do?

So it’s partially her fault she got too drunk at a party and was gang raped? 
 

and people wonder why rape victims don’t come forward. 

[Rc2catch]

3 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

So obviously a serious situation that can get him kicked off the team. Some posters seem to think he's good as gone already. So as of now if Bills are waiting for the investigation is complete to decide to take action if needed,  doesn't Matt still gets to play during that process? Unless he ends up suspended by NFL. 

 

Is all that right in how things stand for now?? 

 

 

 

 

Just my opinion but I think they have enough info that they expect this to be work out in his favor. Otherwise he would of been cut before this even hit the news cycle. 
and as of tonight, he’s an active player and can play. Maybe the league decides before game time to put him on the exempt list but as of now he’s an active player 

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

JFC you actually said This. 
 

 

What I said isn't referring to Araiza specifically. It was a general response as an example. It takes at least 2 people to make sex happen, correct? It is not all his fault that he doesn't ask and it is not all hers that she doesn't tell him. However, because of the girl knowing she is the one underage, she should make it more clear. Though, while he could ask, it is not 100% on him to do so. Why do the women and the minors always get the benefit of the doubt in these cases?

Edited August 26, 2022 by Buffalo03

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

There's going to be a large contingency of Bills fans who will sour on them for this fact alone.  Cutting him tomorrow won't change that but it's better than keeping him.

Fair enough...

 

But, Bills knew in July and still cut Haack.

Just now, CountDorkula said:

So it’s partially her fault she got too drunk at a party and was gang raped? 
 

and people wonder why rape victims don’t come forward. 

Was it Araiza that did it? I gotta wait for more facts to come out.