Ranking The AFC 2022-23

[CSBill]

Many have the Chargers near the top. I'm still not buying it. Not until I see real results. So I go with the Bills and Chiefs--with the Bengals and Raiders closing the gap, but everyone else is still chasing, no matter what order you put them in.

[corta765]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Actually agree with you on Baltimore….sooner or later they are going to string some playoff wins together and I think they win the North…. They are lacking big time at wide out though and in the passing game in general. 

 

So I listened to a guy on OBD who was a Ravens media member. They basically said Baltimore is going back to running 2 to 3 TE sets and the WR corp is not going to be featured as much as that is what gave the offense the most success in 2019 when they went wild. I still think ODB is an amazing fit there in every way and he eventually signs there in DEC. 

 

As I said I really like Lamar outside of when he plays the Bills and think he will get them over the top at some point. 

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

Many have the Chargers near the top. I'm still not buying it. Not until I see real results. So I go with the Bills and Chiefs--with the Bengals and Raiders closing the gap, but everyone else is still chasing, no matter what order you put them in.

 

Chargers are tough because I don't like putting them that high as they haven't proven anything despite incredible talent. But I feel if I don't put them there they are winning the AFC and I will look Feb and go wtf was I thinking. The answer probably is the middle as they make the WC and win a game before falling out.

 

I still think they have a major home field disadvantage which forever will be a problem because that does matter to some extent.

[Greg S]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

Many have the Chargers near the top. I'm still not buying it. Not until I see real results. So I go with the Bills and Chiefs--with the Bengals and Raiders closing the gap, but everyone else is still chasing, no matter what order you put them in.

 

The Ravens had a lot of injuries last year. If they stay healthy I could see them winning the north. 

[eball]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Actually agree with you on Baltimore….sooner or later they are going to string some playoff wins together and I think they win the North…. They are lacking big time at wide out though and in the passing game in general. 

 

You may scoff at this because it's tied to fantasy football, but Rashod Bateman is considered a WR with big upside this year.

[Rico]

1. Bills

2. Bengals

3. Chargers

4. Colts

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5. Broncos

6. Raiders

7. Chiefs

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8. Ravens

9. Pats

10. Titans

11. Browns

12. Steelers

13. Dolphins

14. Jaguars

15. Jets

16. Texans

[machine gun kelly]

18 hours ago, corta765 said:

We are at the point rosters are more or less set outside of some camp battles and you have a general idea of who most teams are. Given the moves this offseason across the conference and league I can't see much happening in preseason that will change peoples opinions. I did this last year ranking each conference with a little blurb for each team. Today is the AFC and later the NFC this week. Agree, disagree, tell me I am idiot and the reason for all of the worlds issue, whatever lay out your thoughts lol:

 

The Class of the AFC:

Baltimore- Fun fact they were 8-3 and the 1 seed before the plague destroyed their team in 2021. Whether you love and don't love Lamar (count me as love) they have a strong defense and will impose their will. I believe they are due for a breakthrough postseason wise sooner then later

Buffalo- Super Bowl or bust no way around it between the addition of Von Miller and overall depth that has been added

Cincinnati- I think this Cincy team is better then last years but the record may only move up to 11-6 because of the division and conference. Regardless they are an explosive group

Kansas City- Tyreek takes a scary factor away on offense, but Mahomes is still there and until they are out they are always what feels like the team to beat after 4 straight AFC titles.

Los Angeles Chargers- Talent wise they can match anyone and they missed the playoffs off of playoff tiebreakers in 2021. I always question what they can do as ownership has forever been cheap and they have no homefield advantage in LA which feels like it will catch them. Either way if you said they are in the SB come February I wouldn't be the least bit shocked.

 

Playoff Contenders

Denver- Could Russ and crew take the crown year 1? Absolutely, but I think their best football will be in a year or two as a new coach and system is established. Regardless with Russ they are a playoff team.

Las Vegas- If you think they should be up higher I wouldn't disagree. But I would like to see the Raiders do more then just a wildcard appearance as that has been it with Carr.

Miami- Regardless of your belief in Tua (I think he's average with flashes) he just has a stacked lineup around him that he just needs to do enough to make the Phins a playoff team. Biggest issue is their schedule is a buzz saw up and down.

 

Cleveland*- They are their own category as no one for sure knows how long Watson plays. On paper, strictly paper they are incredibly solid at every spot and Watson pushes them up. But football is loaded with teams who on paper look great and flame out because of pressure and noise. I think they lose Watson for 12 games and limp to a 7-10 season as the pressure and noise mixed with no Watson beats them down. Could they do better? 100% but I honestly think no one has a solid read here.

 

Could be a playoff team, Could be 6-11 

Indianapolis Colts- If you buy Matt Ryan then they are a playoff contender, if you think he is past his prime they need the collective whole to carry this team. I am not a fan of their WR corp and I don't know how much more Taylor can do to carry the load.

Jacksonville Jaguars- Doug Pederson has take a young QB and went places before and now has one who pure talent wise is better then Wentz. I can easily see the Jags offense becoming good pretty quick if they can help build Lawrence confidence and decision making up. Urban wrecked things so bad people forget the hype and talent T Law has. The major question is if the defense can go from being an EZ-Pass to something that can hang around in games. For the record they are my dark horse pick this year and I have them winning the South.

New England Patriots- I actually think Mac Jones is pretty decent and could have a better year. I also look at what NE surrounded him with and outside of a Marino type heroic performance they have a tall task to compete to the playoffs. BB can only do so much to cover their holes against an AFC loaded with fast aggressive offenses and defenses not based in 1990 conservative football.

Pittsburgh Steelers- Their skill position group on offense can make noise, can Mitch or Kenny drive the car fast enough to stay up with the rest of their division? The defense will do enough to keep them in games, it is on the offense being potent enough.

Tennessee Titans- There is data that Derrick Henry already has started to decline going back to last year. They look weaker across the board and while I love Bobby Woods he is not AJ Brown. Their playoff hopes hinge on the Colts staying neutral and winning the division. 

 

On To The Draft

Houston- A successful season could be 3-14 as Mills shows he can be the guy and the rookies develop OR Mills isn't the guy and the rest of the young roster improves while getting a top 3 pick for QB

NY Jets- They already had a daunting task before the Wilson injury with the way the AFC is. Now you hope Wilson shows tangible improvement in less games then desired played, the offense has some pep while the defense becomes a formidable unit, and they finish 5-11 while getting wins over MIA and NE at home.

Corta, first I remember last years posts so thanks for putting together.

 

Indy as such a toss up I don’t agree.  They have a more complete team and Ryan is an upgrade over Wentz.  Ryan has played on bad ATL teams, but he has produced.  With that RB and a solid defense, they will do well.  I’m guessing the win the South at 10-7 to 11-6.

 

Youre on point with almost all of the other locks and this might be the year the Chargers steal the Weet from the Chiefs.  Look for the Raiders to be better as well.

10 minutes ago, Rico said:

1. Bills

2. Bengals

3. Chargers

4. Colts

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5. Broncos

6. Raiders

7. Chiefs

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8. Ravens

9. Pats

10. Titans

11. Browns

12. Steelers

13. Dolphins

14. Jaguars

15. Jets

16. Texans

Rico I like you’re list, but for me the Ravens were solid until they were destroyed with injuries.  They have a very deep roster and will go far with that 12 personnel formation. 
 

When the Bengals did well, the Ravens were banged up, Mayfield was playing through tons of injuries, the Steelers well Ben, yeah.  They will have a much tougher time this year.  I think the Ravens take the division, and the Bengals a wildcard.

[FilthyBeast]

14 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

I have the Raiders winning the west

 

I'm leaning that direction too although still think Mahomes is probably going to have his best season of his career and be the MVP frontrunner this year.

[RiotAct]

just a point of clarity on the Jets - ZW should be ready to roll by week 3 at the latest.   Not that it’ll make much of a difference.

Edited August 17, 2022 by RiotAct

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

The Ravens had a lot of injuries last year. If they stay healthy I could see them winning the north. 

 

They were the top team in the AFC last year despite being ravaged by injuries before Jackson got hurt.

 

I think a healthy Ravens team easily wins the AFCN which is saying a lot considering how good I feel the Bengals also are going to be this year.

[corta765]

37 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Corta, first I remember last years posts so thanks for putting together.

 

Indy as such a toss up I don’t agree.  They have a more complete team and Ryan is an upgrade over Wentz.  Ryan has played on bad ATL teams, but he has produced.  With that RB and a solid defense, they will do well.  I’m guessing the win the South at 10-7 to 11-6.

 

Youre on point with almost all of the other locks and this might be the year the Chargers steal the Weet from the Chiefs.  Look for the Raiders to be better as well.

Thanks dude I appreciate the level of respect and discussion everyone has shown without getting dumb about stuff it makes it really enjoyable.

 

I guess I am not an IND fan and think they are team that gets more respect then warranted. I think their WR corp is questionable, Ryan is old, the OL is not as good, and their defense has older stars which is always risky. I say this and their going to go 12-5 lol.

 

LAC I think take the division too, I really like Vegas but of the three LAC/KC/VEG I think they have the most to prove before you buy in.

[chris heff]

6 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I went through every team game by game.....it helps sort out some stuff you might not think about when you just think of teams in general as Tier 1, 2, 3 etc.

 

1. (I am BIASED, but this could easily, and in fact SHOULD be the Bills this year....but)  Chiefs.  The schedule is the hardest in football.  As I intamately know this team, I would say that the defense is going to be better.  It's faster and deeper, and they will BENEFIT by not having Anthony Hitchens on the field.  Honey Badger...love him...but he was making a ton of business decisions last season.  Andy Ried was an offensive guru before Kelce and Hill and he'll be one until he dies.  He's gotten production his entire coaching career out of whoever he's had, and this group of WR, while missing Hill, who is great....is deeper.  The O line is really good.  This is the most balanced team KC has had in the Mahomes era.  

 

2.  Baltimore.  They remained very competive despite all the inuries.  Lamar isn't a great passer, but he's not as bad as some claim.  If they stay healthy, they should be a tough team to beat again.

 

3.  Buffalo (OR PUT KC HERE...whatever)  I think the Bills will also have some trouble with a bit harder of a schedule this season.  I think the division isn't as tough as the AFC west, but Miami is better, New England isn't trash....just the Jets as pushovers.  The Bills are all in for this year and there is every reason to think they should be the 1 seed and AFC champion.  

 

4.  Titans.  *****THIS IS PLAYOFF SEEDING ONLY*****  I don't think the Titans are the 4th best team in the AFC...they will just win their garbage division.  Henry is getting old.  Tannehill is getting older and his target group isn't better than last years.  Their O line isn't great.  They will rely on a decent defense, good coaching and an easy shedule to get into the playoffs with a very underwhelming record.

 

5.  Chargers.  (or this could be KC too)  I think the Chargers and the Chiefs are the 2 real contenders in the AFC west...whoever doesn't win the division, ends up with the 5 seed.  I would say that even last year, the Chargers have a ton of talent and BAD coaching.  Staley is supposed to be a defensive guru...they were horrible on D.  And Joe Lombardi clearly isn't the kind of O Coordinater who has any business running his own show on offense.  He clearly just did what Sean Payton told him to do in new orleans...calling a TON of short passing plays designed for Drew Brees when he has a stallion at QB.  They should be big time contenders, but their coaches aren't equal to it.

 

6.  Cincinatti.  Super Bowl hangover, plus some regression to the mean on some stuff....too much talent not to make it, but last year was something of a mix of fluke and luck, AND talent all coming together at the right time.

 

7.  Cleveland.  ...So here is the thing.  as I said, I went over everyone game by game....and the roster is talented enough to put some W's on the board until Watson is around...whenever that is.  I think there is enough favorable schedule wise that they can grind out enough W's to eek into the final playoff spot.

 

8.  Miami.  The picture of average, with good parts and pieces all over the field, but some tough games, and a QB that isn't quite big time enough to pull a few out on his own, leaves Miami on the cusp. 

 

9.  New England.  Good coaching, and I think Mac Jones is pretty good...but they just don't have enough around him and the OC crap show they got going on isn't good.

 

10.  Denver.  You might think this is low.  Denver isn't a horrible team..and Russ is a big upgrade at QB.  But Chargers and Chiefs in division, along with coaches all accross the board who are all new to their roles....plus some of Denvers skill positoin players being kind of overrated....I don't see them making it in....Vegas only has them at over/under 9.5  I'm not sure 10 is enough to get in, and I am not sure Denver gets to 10 this year. 

 

11.  Indy.  Count me among hte few who aren't buying Matt Ryan...and who think the Colts offense is a bit overrated even without him.  They are in a winnable division, which will keep them in contention all year, but they are a pretender.

 

12.  Raiders.  I am really low on these guys.  Their line sucks.  They don't have a good RB.  They have good pass rushing ends...but if they don't muck things up, the secondary and LB's aren't good either.  They had a TON of items that should regress to the mean...and this is probably a 6 win or so team at most.

 

13.  Jacksonville.  I think they also, like the Colts, COULD maybe stay in contention for a division title by being in a bad division for a while....but they are at least another year and more roster turnover away from making any noise.

 

14. Houston.   ....clearly in the early stages of a complete rebuild.  IT's all about seeing of Mills is a worthwhile QB or not.  That's all.

 

15.  Jets.  Even after what some say was a great draft, this roster isn't good or deep at any spot and Wilson is hurt....and he's NOT IT anyhow.  I saw enough last year to believe he's just not an NFL QB.  The Jets are destined to bringing in yet another coach and GM next year becasue the QB the current guys bet on, sucks.

Have the Steelers been disbanded?

[Zerovoltz]

3 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Have the Steelers been disbanded?

Ugh.  Lol.  Place them at 15, just above the Jets.  I don’t think Pickett is going to play this year and if he does he’ll struggle behind that awful line.

[Rico]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Corta, first I remember last years posts so thanks for putting together.

 

Indy as such a toss up I don’t agree.  They have a more complete team and Ryan is an upgrade over Wentz.  Ryan has played on bad ATL teams, but he has produced.  With that RB and a solid defense, they will do well.  I’m guessing the win the South at 10-7 to 11-6.

 

Youre on point with almost all of the other locks and this might be the year the Chargers steal the Weet from the Chiefs.  Look for the Raiders to be better as well.

Rico I like you’re list, but for me the Ravens were solid until they were destroyed with injuries.  They have a very deep roster and will go far with that 12 personnel formation. 
 

When the Bengals did well, the Ravens were banged up, Mayfield was playing through tons of injuries, the Steelers well Ben, yeah.  They will have a much tougher time this year.  I think the Ravens take the division, and the Bengals a wildcard.

I know they had a lot of injuries, but the Bengals just beat the living crap out of them last year & they should be even better… plus I’m not a Lamar basher, but I would take Joe Cool over him every time.

[machine gun kelly]

3 minutes ago, Rico said:

I know they had a lot of injuries, but the Bengals just beat the living crap out of them last year & they should be even better… plus I’m not a Lamar basher, but I would take Joe Cool over him every time.

Yeah, and agree.  My oldest son who is 23, and a sharp kid in finance that the young girls all about Joe Cool.  I guess he has a 20 something following.

 

Lamar will wear out with his legs and be nothing eventually.  Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Joe Cool, and so on will be the stars of the league.

 

 

they Re the next manning, Brady, Rivers, Big Ben guys.  The ones we watch for the next decade and beyond.

[corta765]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

Yeah, and agree.  My oldest son who is 23, and a sharp kid in finance that the young girls all about Joe Cool.  I guess he has a 20 something following.

 

Lamar will wear out with his legs and be nothing eventually.  Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Joe Cool, and so on will be the stars of the league.

 

 

they Re the next manning, Brady, Rivers, Big Ben guys.  The ones we watch for the next decade and beyond.

 

Lamar can throw it though I can see him transitioning to a pure passer. He does have maybe 3-4 years left with this style before it wears out like you said. Up to Baltimore and him to work that out.

[Rocky Landing]

21 hours ago, corta765 said:

Honestly I can’t right now. It would be a very bad and sad situation 

It really would be.

I know it's obviously not likely, but it is conceivable. DW was a top five QB before he took his time off. And the Cleveland Stains have some talent on that team. If there is some resolution where DW only has a six, or eight game suspension, they make the playoffs, other team's injuries, etc... oof. What a nightmare for the league. I wonder if this thought might be in Goodell's head as he deals with this mess?

[corta765]

21 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

It really would be.

I know it's obviously not likely, but it is conceivable. DW was a top five QB before he took his time off. And the Cleveland Stains have some talent on that team. If there is some resolution where DW only has a six, or eight game suspension, they make the playoffs, other team's injuries, etc... oof. What a nightmare for the league. I wonder if this thought might be in Goodell's head as he deals with this mess?

I think part of sentiment for a year long suspension is literally get him away and let the story die. It is inevitable he will come back, but if you can get rid of it long enough when he returns it’s muted.

[Success]

Man, the AFC really is stacked this year.  The hope is that once the season starts, some teams end up being more hype than anything else - but right now, the differences between the top 5 look pretty thin.  I could see a lot of close games, and a nip & tuck battle for the 1 seed until the final weeks.

 

I know the opener is a non-conference affair, but I want to win that game BAD.  That is some kind of statement game - beating the defending SB champs on their turf.  And I don't want to get behind the 8-ball like we did last year (at the time when we lost to Pitt, I completely shrugged it off, because hopes were so high - but it did set sort of a tone for the season).

 

Cripes...is it September yet?  

 

[Royale with Cheese]

The Bengals for whatever reason aren't getting much respect.  Joe Burrow is an elite QB and that makes them contenders.  Not projecting Super Bowl but I do see them winning the North.

 

@GunnerBill

[GunnerBill]

51 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The Bengals for whatever reason aren't getting much respect.  Joe Burrow is an elite QB and that makes them contenders.  Not projecting Super Bowl but I do see them winning the North.

 

@GunnerBill

 

Before Lamar went down the Ravens were ahead in the North despite losing all their running backs, their left tackle, their right tackle and their 3 best corners. 

 

Any better luck with injuries and they win the north.

[Bill from NYC]

Thanks for a really good preview.

[Royale with Cheese]

21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Before Lamar went down the Ravens were ahead in the North despite losing all their running backs, their left tackle, their right tackle and their 3 best corners. 

 

Any better luck with injuries and they win the north.

 

The Bills at one point were 7-6 last season and the Pats were ahead of us.  The Bengals beat the Chiefs twice.  

They have an elite QB and the best trio of WR in the NFL.  I still think the Bills are better but the Bengals will contend.

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The Bills at one point were 7-6 last season and the Pats were ahead of us.  The Bengals beat the Chiefs twice.  

They have an elite QB and the best trio of WR in the NFL.  I still think the Bills are better but the Bengals will contend.

 

They also had multiple players on their defense have career years all at the same time. Lightening in a bottle. They will score a ton of point. The difference is they will give up a ton too.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They also had multiple players on their defense have career years all at the same time. Lightening in a bottle. They will score a ton of point. The difference is they will give up a ton too.

 

Wanna make a friendly bet?

 

The loser has to post nudes on this forum?

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Wanna make a friendly bet?

 

The loser has to post nudes on this forum?

 

My nudes are already out in cyber space. But sure. Bengals won't win the north.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Cream: Bills, Chiefs

 

Next level: Ravens, Chargers, Titans, Colts

 

Playoff Contenders: Bengals, Broncos, Raiders

 

Fringe: Dolphins, Steelers, Browns, Patriots

 

Forget it: Texans, Jets, Jags

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

Lamar can throw it though I can see him transitioning to a pure passer. He does have maybe 3-4 years left with this style before it wears out like you said. Up to Baltimore and him to work that out.

I have nothing against Lamar and agreed.  He just has like you stated three years to figure out how to throw effectively outside the hashes.  Frazier looks like a god as we defense him by covering up the middle and stopping running lanes.  If Lamar wants to be the best, he has to throw those corner outside fades, and toe tap throws on a dime like JA can do with ease.

 

I have nothing against Baltimore and like seeing them win especially more than anyone else in their division.  They are a well run and managed team.  Lamar is the factor.  Can he really develop?  Probably not this year as they loaded up on the TE personnel, which means they will go back to his all pro year and throw tons to the middle on these big bodies.

[Rico]

Just now, machine gun kelly said:

I have nothing against Lamar and agreed.  He just has like you stated three years to figure out how to throw effectively outside the hashes.  Frazier looks like a god as we defense him by covering up the middle and stopping running lanes.  If Lamar wants to be the best, he has to throw those corner outside fades, and toe tap throws on a dime like JA can do with ease.

 

I have nothing against Baltimore and like seeing them win especially more than anyone else in their division.  They are a well run and managed team.  Lamar is the factor.  Can he really develop?  Probably not this year as they loaded up on the TE personnel, which means they will go back to his all pro year and throw tons to the middle on these big bodies.

He’s playing for his next contract though, I expect him to have a good year. Won’t be good enough though, Bengals have their number now. Even though beat-up, Ravens were competitive last year in their games except when they played Cincy. The first of those 2 humiliations was also in Week 7, before the sky fell in for them.

[Royale with Cheese]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My nudes are already out in cyber space. But sure. Bengals won't win the north.

 

I am googling GunnerBill+Nudes.....

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They also had multiple players on their defense have career years all at the same time. Lightening in a bottle. They will score a ton of point. The difference is they will give up a ton too.

 

Their (Bengals) defense was pretty middle of the pack. 17th in points and 18th in yards. That tells me they will likely either improve on defense or at worse not fall off that much. That said, I have no idea who they have gained or lost on that side of the ball.

[julian]

Lamar is a limited passer and electric runner, you can win 10+ Regular season games every year with Lamar.

 

 The playoffs are a much different animal, well coached teams with elite QBs creates a much more difficult obstacle for Lamar’s limitations. 

[Dr.Sack]

1. Bills 12-5 ⬆️ 

2. Bengals 12-5 ⬆️

3. Chiefs 11-6 ⬇️ 

4. Colts 11-6 ⬆️

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5. Chargers 11-6 ⬆️

6. Ravens 10-7 ⬆️

7. Broncos 10-7 ⬆️

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8. Steelers 10-7 ⬆️

9. Titans 10-7 ⬇️

10. Dolphins 9-8 ⬆️

11. Raiders 9-8 ➡️

12. Jaguars 8-9 ⬆️

13. Browns 4-13 ⬇️

14. Texans 3-14 ➡️

15. Jets 3-14 ➡️

16. Patriots 1-16 ⬇️

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Wild Card

#7 Broncos < #2 Bengals

#6 Ravens < #3 Chiefs

#5 Chargers > #4 Colts

 

Div

#5 Chargers < #1 Bills

#3 Chiefs > #2 Bengals

 

AFCC

#3 Chiefs < #1 Bills

 

[Big Blitz]

The playoffs:

 

Bills 17-0

Chargers 13-4

Bengals 12-5

Colts 11-6

Chiefs 11-6

Ravens 11-6

Dolphins 10-7

 

Just missed - in the hunt awards!

 

Raiders 10-7

Broncos 10-7

Titans 9-8

Jags 8-9

Steelers 7-10

 

 

Watson'd: 

 

Browns 6-11

 

A fun team:

 

Texans 5-12

 

 

Robert Saleh Tier:

 

Jets 4-13

Patriots 3-14

[djp14150]

Division winners

 

Bills

Ravens

Jags

Chargers

 

WC

 

Bengals

Broncos

Dolphins

[Milanos Milano]

On 8/16/2022 at 5:51 PM, ProcessTruster said:

boy this board gonna explode if the Bills lose a game... way, way too much hype. 

 

Let's go play the games and see how they do, shall we?  

Honestly it would not surprise me if the Bills have an undefeated season. The talent is loaded that much. I honestly don’t know how a team can cover Diggs, A more powerful Davis,  A more polished McKenzie, Shakir, and Cook going out for a pass. 

Not to mention a revamped Defense that was already fairly good in their own right. Rousseau, Oliver, Settle, and Miller are going to absolutely feast, and we got White back.  #1 O and D. 

52 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The playoffs:

 

Bills 17-0

Chargers 13-4

Bengals 12-5

Colts 11-6

Chiefs 11-6

Ravens 11-6

Dolphins 10-7

 

Just missed - in the hunt awards!

 

Raiders 10-7

Broncos 10-7

Titans 9-8

Jags 8-9

Steelers 7-10

 

 

Watson'd: 

 

Browns 6-11

 

A fun team:

 

Texans 5-12

 

 

Robert Saleh Tier:

 

Jets 4-13

Patriots 3-14

I can legitimately see the Bills going undefeated. We are battle tested, hungry, and improved. Our defense is going to be so good, that even if our Oline struggles, it won’t matter as Allen will have numerous times to score and Araiza pinning teams back if necessary. Going to be an epic epic year. 

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Sammy Watkins&#x27; Rib said:

 

Their (Bengals) defense was pretty middle of the pack. 17th in points and 18th in yards. That tells me they will likely either improve on defense or at worse not fall off that much. That said, I have no idea who they have gained or lost on that side of the ball.

 

Which was a fair step forward from 2020 and while Hendrikson for Lawson was an upgrade it wasn't such an upgrade to explain the jump. They just had 3 or 4 guys have career years at the same time. That is why I am not sure it sustains. Chidobe Awuze and Eli Apple is one of, if not the, worst starting corner combo in the league. They both did okay last year. There is scope for huge regression to the mean there.

[corta765]

14 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I have nothing against Lamar and agreed.  He just has like you stated three years to figure out how to throw effectively outside the hashes.  Frazier looks like a god as we defense him by covering up the middle and stopping running lanes.  If Lamar wants to be the best, he has to throw those corner outside fades, and toe tap throws on a dime like JA can do with ease.

 

I have nothing against Baltimore and like seeing them win especially more than anyone else in their division.  They are a well run and managed team.  Lamar is the factor.  Can he really develop?  Probably not this year as they loaded up on the TE personnel, which means they will go back to his all pro year and throw tons to the middle on these big bodies.

 

100% agree. We saw only a portion of what Vick could've been when he came back after prison. He evolved into a far better passer but you could see the time away and age limited his full potential. I 100% believe Lamar can unlock that if they move that direction, but that needs to be an organizational switch which having Greg Roman doesn't exactly fit as he is big about running the ball.

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

100% agree. We saw only a portion of what Vick could've been when he came back after prison. He evolved into a far better passer but you could see the time away and age limited his full potential. I 100% believe Lamar can unlock that if they move that direction, but that needs to be an organizational switch which having Greg Roman doesn't exactly fit as he is big about running the ball.

You bring up a good point Corta.  Roman caters Lamar now and Harbaugh is going along as they were highly effective in the 12 and 13 personnel with all of those TE’s.

 

The problem is it stunts his development and he’ll never grow as a real QB.  His legs start to wear down and he won’t go anywhere.  It’s too bad as Lamar if Daboll was his OC, he may have grown over time.

[Big Turk]

On 8/16/2022 at 4:34 PM, corta765 said:

We are at the point rosters are more or less set outside of some camp battles and you have a general idea of who most teams are. Given the moves this offseason across the conference and league I can't see much happening in preseason that will change peoples opinions. I did this last year ranking each conference with a little blurb for each team. Today is the AFC and later the NFC this week. Agree, disagree, tell me I am idiot and the reason for all of the worlds issue, whatever lay out your thoughts lol:

 

The Class of the AFC:

Baltimore- Fun fact they were 8-3 and the 1 seed before the plague destroyed their team in 2021. Whether you love and don't love Lamar (count me as love) they have a strong defense and will impose their will. I believe they are due for a breakthrough postseason wise sooner then later

Buffalo- Super Bowl or bust no way around it between the addition of Von Miller and overall depth that has been added

Cincinnati- I think this Cincy team is better then last years but the record may only move up to 11-6 because of the division and conference. Regardless they are an explosive group

Kansas City- Tyreek takes a scary factor away on offense, but Mahomes is still there and until they are out they are always what feels like the team to beat after 4 straight AFC titles.

Los Angeles Chargers- Talent wise they can match anyone and they missed the playoffs off of playoff tiebreakers in 2021. I always question what they can do as ownership has forever been cheap and they have no homefield advantage in LA which feels like it will catch them. Either way if you said they are in the SB come February I wouldn't be the least bit shocked.

 

Playoff Contenders

Denver- Could Russ and crew take the crown year 1? Absolutely, but I think their best football will be in a year or two as a new coach and system is established. Regardless with Russ they are a playoff team.

Las Vegas- If you think they should be up higher I wouldn't disagree. But I would like to see the Raiders do more then just a wildcard appearance as that has been it with Carr.

Miami- Regardless of your belief in Tua (I think he's average with flashes) he just has a stacked lineup around him that he just needs to do enough to make the Phins a playoff team. Biggest issue is their schedule is a buzz saw up and down.

 

Cleveland*- They are their own category as no one for sure knows how long Watson plays. On paper, strictly paper they are incredibly solid at every spot and Watson pushes them up. But football is loaded with teams who on paper look great and flame out because of pressure and noise. I think they lose Watson for 12 games and limp to a 7-10 season as the pressure and noise mixed with no Watson beats them down. Could they do better? 100% but I honestly think no one has a solid read here.

 

Could be a playoff team, Could be 6-11 

Indianapolis Colts- If you buy Matt Ryan then they are a playoff contender, if you think he is past his prime they need the collective whole to carry this team. I am not a fan of their WR corp and I don't know how much more Taylor can do to carry the load.

Jacksonville Jaguars- Doug Pederson has take a young QB and went places before and now has one who pure talent wise is better then Wentz. I can easily see the Jags offense becoming good pretty quick if they can help build Lawrence confidence and decision making up. Urban wrecked things so bad people forget the hype and talent T Law has. The major question is if the defense can go from being an EZ-Pass to something that can hang around in games. For the record they are my dark horse pick this year and I have them winning the South.

New England Patriots- I actually think Mac Jones is pretty decent and could have a better year. I also look at what NE surrounded him with and outside of a Marino type heroic performance they have a tall task to compete to the playoffs. BB can only do so much to cover their holes against an AFC loaded with fast aggressive offenses and defenses not based in 1990 conservative football.

Pittsburgh Steelers- Their skill position group on offense can make noise, can Mitch or Kenny drive the car fast enough to stay up with the rest of their division? The defense will do enough to keep them in games, it is on the offense being potent enough.

Tennessee Titans- There is data that Derrick Henry already has started to decline going back to last year. They look weaker across the board and while I love Bobby Woods he is not AJ Brown. Their playoff hopes hinge on the Colts staying neutral and winning the division. 

 

On To The Draft

Houston- A successful season could be 3-14 as Mills shows he can be the guy and the rookies develop OR Mills isn't the guy and the rest of the young roster improves while getting a top 3 pick for QB

NY Jets- They already had a daunting task before the Wilson injury with the way the AFC is. Now you hope Wilson shows tangible improvement in less games then desired played, the offense has some pep while the defense becomes a formidable unit, and they finish 5-11 while getting wins over MIA and NE at home.

 

You didn't actually watch the games Baltimore played then if you think that because they were 8-3 they would have went on to win the number 1 seed.

 

They won at least 2-3 games via crazy last second comebacks that were clearly not sustainable methods of winning games.  I mean 4th and 19 on the last drive in the 4th quarter converted and then the all time record FG by Tucker off the crossbar and in to beat the Lions?  2 OT wins and a 1 point win over the Chiefs. They were much closer to a 6-5 team that had a lot of luck on their side to be 8-3 than a true 8-3 team. Their point differential in those 11 games was +25. Hardly a team that was running roughshod over opponents. By comparison, the Bills point differential in their first 11 games was +147, even with a 7-4 record.

 

They are squarely in the second tier for me and probably in the bottom of that tier.  Their WR situation got worse this offseason.

Edited August 18, 2022 by Big Turk

[corta765]

15 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

You didn't actually watch the games Baltimore played then if you think that because they were 8-3 they would have went on to win the number 1 seed.

 

They won at least 2-3 games via crazy last second comebacks that were clearly not sustainable methods of winning games.  I mean 4th and 19 on the last drive in the 4th quarter converted and then the all time record FG by Tucker off the crossbar and in to beat the Lions?  2 OT wins and a 1 point win over the Chiefs. They were much closer to a 6-5 team that had a lot of luck on their side to be 8-3 than a true 8-3 team. Their point differential in those 11 games was +25. Hardly a team that was running roughshod over opponents. By comparison, the Bills point differential in their first 11 games was +147, even with a 7-4 record.

 

They are squarely in the second tier for me and probably in the bottom of that tier.  Their WR situation got worse this offseason.

 

You could legitimately say the same about the Bills in 2020 as they beat held off the Phins week 2 in quasi shootout, the Rams last second, and needed a fumble against the Pats at home to win that game. I agree with you on point differential as I value you that pretty highly, but the Ravens have consistently been a high performing team for two decades now and since Lamar has arrived they have been even better.

 

To me they have earned the right to be favored highly but I do think your points are valid. Rico and Machine Gun Kelly and I were commenting that the Ravens are probably holding back and stunting Lamar's growth as a passer by the lack of help WR. I understand the idea of trying to mold the offense in form of 2019 look wise, but Lamar can only go so far before his body will break down enough to neutralize some of his athleticism. I don't doubt he can be a great passer in a passing offense but it doesn't happen overnight and the longer they wait the more detrimental it is to them.