DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The stipulation should have been all future massages have to be at the facility by a certified MALE masseuse. If he is caught going elsewhere then he is kicked out of the league indefinitely I think it moved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Need a Jack Tatum to take care of him on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Trust me. The NFL would go entirely London Sillynannies if it sold. Businesses do what their customers want. Clearly customers want more talented football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The stipulation should have been all future massages have to be at the facility by a certified MALE masseuse. If he is caught going elsewhere then he is kicked out of the league indefinitely If he did assault these women then he's not gonna just suddenly stop his behavior he'll just try to keep it hidden and frankly I could see some future incident ending with some tragic outcome. If something does occur I just hope the tragic portion is some woman gives him the Bobbitt special massage to his groin area. That would be a fitting end to his predatory ways. They could shove it up his ass for that deep massage action he asks for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: Calvin Ridley's actions had a much larger impact on the integrity of the game. Infinitely worse, honestly. Yeah, I think Watson should have gotten more, but Ridley's punishment is justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, benderbender said: Yet another example of the NFL looking the other way for talented players. Isn't that the ultimate slap in the face of Kaepernick's legacy? We'll put up with numerous domestic abusers, and a high-profile serial sexual assaulter because he's actually good. But you're the only one that ever got "blackballed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Those massages are going to be awkward as ***** from now on. They ought to mandate he employ a masseur from now on. See how he likes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 A random thought. What masseuse, male or female, would go anywhere near this guy? I'd insist on a third party in the room, filming the entire interaction. Also, hoping to see Watson suffer a career ending injury sometime this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Does this ruling matter? Goodell has final say, and one thing about Goodell, he wants everyone to know who is in power. I see him doubling this ruling, 12 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, DJB said: 24 complaints of harassment NFL gives you 6 games. Bet on the NFL or smoke weed and gone for a year. Makes no sense at all Not sure specifically which cases you’re referring to, but if there was indisputable proof of substance abuse or betting it may have been easier to make a decision on discipline. in this case, the grand jury didn’t find enough evidence to pursue prosecution. It sounds like more of a case of “he said she said”. I think the NFL was behind the eight ball trying to be fair. It’s more than likely that Watson acted inappropriately and possibly criminally, but without indisputable proof, how could the mediator or Goodell give a more severe punishment? As it is, they’re basically saying all signs point to Watson doing something that puts a stain on their brand. Here’s your slap on the wrist. Don’t do it again. Side note: i’ve yet to understand why Watson is portrayed as one of the greatest quarterbacks of the century, or at least among current starters. I can easily think of AT LEAST 8-10 QBs I’d take over Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Does this ruling matter? Goodell has final say, and one thing about Goodell, he wants everyone to know who is in power. I see him doubling this ruling, 12 games. again, landing him in court answering questions about Kraft, etc… nope - not likely happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 The NFL and Goodell to Sue Robinson on this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: Modern day gladiators. Been saying it for years. People watched other people fight to the death for entertainment. This subjective morality hand gesturing is funny, but nothing new. You're highjacking the entire thread to repeat simplistic moralizing. In a global, corporate world, there are countless situations where one is obliged to accept acting where sometimes grave evils are involved. Every time you buy a product from China, you're likely implicated in slave labor and at minimum, you support the economy of a regime with a terrible human rights record. Do you check that all the products you purchase have no connection to China? It's not even possible in some cases, because the supply chain for many products is dependent on outside sources. Every time one discovers an athelete who is criminal, acts badly towards women or children, etc., is one obliged to disown watching the sport? What level of purity is necessary for you to condone someone still caring about a team they may have been rooting for and following for decades? In this imperfect world, ethics is always messy, but taking away a source of communal bonding and sometimes joy for the sake of signaling superior moral integrity is bombastic LAMP reiterated over and over. 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Chaos said: Are there any employers outside of the entertainment industry that have "suspensions" or "fines" for employees for personal conduct outside of work.. Don't they just typical fire people or stay out of it? I know two people who were employed by the federal government who were suspended and eventually terminated for personal conduct outside of work. Granted, they were law enforcement officers, but the conduct was not egregious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: You're highjacking the entire thread to repeat simplistic moralizing. In a global, corporate world, there are countless situations where one is obliged to accept acting where sometimes grave evils are involved. Every time you buy a product from China, you're likely implicated in slave labor and at minimum, you support the economy of a regime with a terrible human rights record. Do you check that all the products you purchase have no connection to China? It's not even possible in some cases, because the supply chain for many products is dependent on outside sources. Every time one discovers an athelete who is criminal, acts badly towards women or children, etc., is one obliged to disown watching the sport? What level of purity is necessary for you to condone someone still caring about a team they may have been rooting for and following for decades? In this imperfect world, ethics is always messy, but taking away a source of communal bonding and sometimes joy for the sake of signaling superior moral integrity is bombastic LAMP reiterated over and over. Yes, I will go out of my way to boycott anything made in China that I know of. But it’s hard to be 100%, but the important part is that we try. Like I said, it all depends on everyone’s tolerance level and moral acceptance level. But to be outraged and still financially supporting the product you are mad about is fairly funny. Sorry if it makes people feel uncomfortable as it shines a light on the sickness, but most of us have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I would be extremely surprised that the NFL will appeal. Why hiring a 3rd party judge to oversee the decision if you were wanting to do the year? Why even bring in a judge if you aren’t going to follow the judgement? Such a waste of theatrics. I can see a scenario where the NFL hired the 3rd pary judge, then appealed their decision to "show" the public just how tough they are with sexual deviants. "The fair and impartial judge said to give a 6-game suspension, but we think it should be even higher. See how tough we are?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RangerDave said: I can see a scenario where the NFL hired the 3rd pary judge, then appealed their decision to "show" the public just how tough they are with sexual deviants. "The fair and impartial judge said to give a 6-game suspension, but we think it should be even higher. See how tough we are?" Again, like others have said, I doubt it goes anywhere. The NFL purposely did this to wash their hands of this. They don’t want this going down the Kraft did this, blah blah blah road. They will likely stick to the judges ruling. 7 minutes ago, Bandito said: Trevor Bauer got a 324 game Major League Baseball suspension for non-criminal sexual assault allegations. Watson got 6 games for 3- women's non-criminal allegations. Bauer's suspension will cost him over $60 million. Watson's will cost him only $300k of his $230 mil guaranteed salary The NFL doesn’t view this as affecting their bottom line enough to warrant such a suspension. If they did, you can bet the outcome would have been much different. They want Watson throwing footballs this year because it sells tickets and viewership. Edited August 1, 2022 by IronMaidenBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: Yes, I will go out of my way to boycott anything made in China that I know of. But it’s hard to be 100%, but the important part is that we try. Like I said, it all depends on everyone’s tolerance level and moral acceptance level. But to be outraged and still financially supporting the product you are mad about is fairly funny. Sorry if it makes people feel uncomfortable as it shines a light on the sickness, but most of us have it. Alright, so, for the record, are you going to continue to participate in a message board that at least indirectly increases interest in and support for the NFL insofar as caring about a team in the league will ultimately redound to some aspect of economic well-being for the corporate entity? Will you buy any product with the Buffalo Bills on it? A cap, a scarf, a bumper sticker? What level of contamination is possible according to your personal kosher laws? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Again, like others have said, I doubt it goes anywhere. The NFL purposely did this to wash their hands of this. They don’t want this going down the Kraft did this, blah blah blah road. They will likely stick to the judges ruling. Certainly possible, and maybe even probable. I can just envision a scenario where they want to look tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Alright, so, for the record, are you going to continue to participate in a message board that at least indirectly increases interest in and support for the NFL insofar as caring about a team in the league will ultimately redound to some aspect of economic well-being for the corporate entity? Will you buy any product with the Buffalo Bills on it? A cap, a scarf, a bumper sticker? What level of contamination is possible according to your personal kosher laws? I’ve already stated I have the football disease. I will be fully watching and supporting the NFL inspite of being appalled. Just trying to let everyone know that they have it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: I’ve already stated I have the football disease. I will be fully watching and supporting the NFL inspite of being appalled. Just trying to let everyone know that they have it too. Ahh, just stopping by to let everyone know they are sickos, but even though it's not okay you will also engage in morally opprobrious activities because you are a self-loathing addict. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, RangerDave said: Certainly possible, and maybe even probable. I can just envision a scenario where they want to look tough. They can’t though, as looking tough will open the can of worms. The judge pretty much F’d the NFL in terms of public perception. But honestly it doesn’t seem like they care about it, as they wanted to wash their hands of this anyways. Just now, Dr. Who said: Ahh, just stopping by to let everyone know they are sickos, but even though it's not okay you will also engage in morally opprobrious activities because you are a self-loathing addict. Hi, my name is Bob. At least I admit it unlike a lot of people here that shout into the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chaos said: Isn't the whole purpose of the third party process so that the NFL can wash their hands of this stuff. it is, but Goodell reserved this appeal right just for cases like this where there might be a firestorm of backlash Edited August 1, 2022 by JoPoy88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Alright, so, for the record, are you going to continue to participate in a message board that at least indirectly increases interest in and support for the NFL insofar as caring about a team in the league will ultimately redound to some aspect of economic well-being for the corporate entity? Will you buy any product with the Buffalo Bills on it? A cap, a scarf, a bumper sticker? What level of contamination is possible according to your personal kosher laws? I personally am going to make a few posts on TBD about how upset I am, then pat myself on the back and sleep soundly knowing I have done my duty. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Based on the recent posturing of the league and of Watson's camp, I had a feeling the reports of a suspension between four and eight games was true. Lo and behold, it is. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how that judge was able to look at the preponderance of evidence of egregious sexual misconduct -- and in some cases, outright sexual assault -- and decide that six games was sufficient punishment. I realize that it's not apples to apples, but as others have pointed out, the fact that gambling or smoking pot has gotten players suspended for an entire year, but ejaculating on strangers without their consent gets just a six game punishment, is beyond ridiculous. Honestly, the worst part is the hypocrisy and moral ickiness of his continued employment: If he was a fringe player -- say, a special teams linebacker or a WR5 -- he'd likely never play in the NFL again. No one would employ him, regardless of league punishment. Instead, because he's a talented quarterback, a team was willing to give him $250 million, and the league is willing to say "her served his time" and move on from it. He'll probably be in ads and NFL promo spots within a few years, like none of this ever happened. This whole thing was and is and will continue to be super gross. Watson isn't even remorseful, either. Dispicable. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Logic said: Based on the recent posturing of the league and of Watson's camp, I had a feeling the reports of a suspension between four and eight games was true. Lo and behold, it is. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how that judge was able to look at the preponderance of evidence of egregious sexual misconduct -- and in some cases, outright sexual assault -- and decide that six games was sufficient punishment. I realize that it's not apples to apples, but as others have pointed out, the fact that gambling or smoking pot has gotten players suspended for an entire year, but ejaculating on strangers without their consent gets just a six game punishment, is beyond ridiculous. Honestly, the worst part is the hypocrisy and moral ickiness of his continued employment: If he was a fringe player -- say, a special teams linebacker or a WR5 -- he'd likely never play in the NFL again. No one would employ him, regardless of league punishment. Instead, because he's a talented quarterback, a team was willing to give him $250 million, and the league is willing to say "her served his time" and move on from it. He'll probably be in ads and NFL promo spots within a few years, like none of this ever happened. This whole thing was and is and will continue to be super gross. Watson isn't even remorseful, either. Dispicable. They apparently only looked at 4 cases, which feels like a mistake to me. Though if they decide to use it as a reference and give him a 30 game suspension for 20 cases that'd be alright. Edited August 1, 2022 by Warcodered 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: I personally am going to make a few posts on TBD about how upset I am, then pat myself on the back and sleep soundly knowing I have done my duty. Not that any of this matters -- but I hold political and ethical views that are often dismissed and mocked (I am an eccentric, but more or less traditionalist Catholic.) I actually quit my job because my employer was requiring actions I deemed incompatible with my beliefs. I continue to suffer economic hardship because of that action. I'm not opposed to acting upon one's ethical sense of what is right, but there is a point at which one is asking for a degree of purity that is simply not to be discovered in this world. And it's rather insufferable when that demand coincides with implicit contempt for ordinary folk who only wish to continue a fellowship that goes back generations in some cases. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, YoloinOhio said: based on public perception....that part sounds kind of stupid on her part. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, Warcodered said: The NFL and Goodell to Sue Robinson on this: is this from the show i think you should leave? that ***** is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, teef said: is this from the show i think you should leave? that ***** is great. it's from what comes up when you google "you ***** us gif" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: it's from what comes up when you google "you ***** us gif" lol! go watch that show. it's on nexflix, and that writer is the star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, teef said: lol! go watch that show. it's on nexflix, and that writer is the star. Netflix has a ton of K-Dramas. Which one are you on now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Crap. He will be back in time to play the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, chongli said: Crap. He will be back in time to play the Bills. I hope we bury the *****. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Calvin Ridley's actions had a much larger impact on the integrity of the game. Infinitely worse, honestly. Depends on your moral standards I guess. Soliciting massages from 66 different women and having 24 file sexual assault claims is pretty bad on the league imo, regardless of how many he settled out of court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Netflix has a ton of K-Dramas. Which one are you on now? i haven't started yet but i'm all ears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Logic said: Based on the recent posturing of the league and of Watson's camp, I had a feeling the reports of a suspension between four and eight games was true. Lo and behold, it is. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how that judge was able to look at the preponderance of evidence of egregious sexual misconduct -- and in some cases, outright sexual assault -- and decide that six games was sufficient punishment. I realize that it's not apples to apples, but as others have pointed out, the fact that gambling or smoking pot has gotten players suspended for an entire year, but ejaculating on strangers without their consent gets just a six game punishment, is beyond ridiculous. Honestly, the worst part is the hypocrisy and moral ickiness of his continued employment: If he was a fringe player -- say, a special teams linebacker or a WR5 -- he'd likely never play in the NFL again. No one would employ him, regardless of league punishment. Instead, because he's a talented quarterback, a team was willing to give him $250 million, and the league is willing to say "her served his time" and move on from it. He'll probably be in ads and NFL promo spots within a few years, like none of this ever happened. This whole thing was and is and will continue to be super gross. Watson isn't even remorseful, either. Dispicable. It's a joke. At best, Watson is a creepy sex pervert who is really pushing the boundaries of acceptable sexual contact. At worst he's a rapist and serial sexual abuser. This whole thing is just gross and a joke in terms of actual justice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, teef said: i haven't started yet but i'm all ears! You should probably use your eyes because they are in Korean and you need to read the subtitles. Unless of course you surprise me and tell me that you are fluent in Korean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 I knew it was going to be a short suspension when Watson’s lawyers released this statement last night: the talk all along was that his lawyers planned to appeal any lengthy sentence. It isn’t hard to figure out why that suddenly changed… There’s no way they put out the statement above without having a pretty good idea the sentence was going to be short. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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