Who do you consider to be the most overrated player(s) at their position in NFL history?

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

 

If he didn't throw any tds they still would have won 10-9.  

 

Can't make this claim, the game and the decisions being made would have been completely different. They may have, but they may not have.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Big Turk

[hondo in seattle]

35 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Namath's stats:

- 50% completion percentage

- TD/INT ratio 173/220.  That is just awful

- 65.5 career QB rating

 

I already agreed that Namath's career stats weren't good.  But they don't tell the whole story of an immensely talented guy whose career was marred by injuries.

 

In 1967, Namath was dominant.  He led the AFL with over 4007 yards passing.  Daryle Lamonica, Len Dawson, Bob Griese, Jack Kemp, John Hadl - none of these other highly skilled QBs came close.  Namath also led the league with 8.2 yards per attempt.  He was tearing it up!

 

The NFL had some great QBs too: Sonny Jurgenson, Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Roman Gabriel, etc.  None of these QBs were as scary or productive as Namath was that year.  

After '67 Namath was diminished by injuries.   

 

I stand by what I said earlier: Namath never reached his potential.  But there were flashes of undeniable talent before the beatings he he suffered eroded his ability.  

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I already agreed that Namath's career stats weren't good.  But they don't tell the whole story of an immensely talented guy whose career was marred by injuries.

 

In 1967, Namath was dominant.  He led the AFL with over 4007 yards passing.  Daryle Lamonica, Len Dawson, Bob Griese, Jack Kemp, John Hadl - none of these other highly skilled QBs came close.  Namath also led the league with 8.2 yards per attempt.  He was tearing it up!

 

The NFL had some great QBs too: Sonny Jurgenson, Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Roman Gabriel, etc.  None of these QBs were as scary or productive as Namath was that year.  

After '67 Namath was diminished by injuries.   

 

I stand by what I said earlier: Namath never reached his potential.  But there were flashes of undeniable talent before the beatings he he suffered eroded his ability.  

 

The argument would be why is he in the HOF for a few good years?  You could take countless players who produced huge seasons for a few years and then their careers were cut short by injury that produced far longer than Namath did but aren't in the HOF.  Sterling Sharpe would be one of them...one of the greatest WRs ever to play, not in the HOF. Far more worthy than Namath, IMO

Edited July 21, 2022 by Big Turk

[aristocrat]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Can't make this claim, the game and the decisions being made would have been completely different. They may have, but they may not have.

 

I'm not saying Brady is bad I'm saying he's overrated. 

[corta765]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

You mad, bro?

 

 

Listen Mr Met! lol

 

Naw more just like the logic people go to because they dislike a dude is wild and such far reaches. I'd rather people just see he curb stomped our Bills forever and the media coverage of him annoys me so I refuse to say anything good about him and move on.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

 

I'm not saying Brady is bad I'm saying he's overrated. 

 

In what way?  How does a defense playing well have anything to do with that teams QB?  That's about a big a stretch as you can make without the band breaking. really pushing the boundaries of logical reasoning with that one.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Big Turk

[Gugny]

Just now, corta765 said:

 

Listen Mr Met! lol

 

Naw more just like the logic people go to because they dislike a dude is wild and such far reaches. I'd rather people just see he curb stomped our Bills forever and the media coverage of him annoys me so I refuse to say anything good about him and move on.

 

I've had my balls busted here for years for giving Tom Brady the credit he's due.  I've always loved watching him play.  He is the GOAT ... and he will forever be the Bills' daddy.

[aristocrat]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

In what way?  How does a defense playing well have anything to do with that teams QB?  That's about a big a stretch as you can make without the band breaking. really pushing the boundaries of logical reasoning with that one.

 

If your defense holds an opponent to 9 points you're almost guaranteed to win.  A game manager can win that game.  Brady has had more top 5 defenses than Rodgers, Manning Mahomes and others combined. He's had the benefit of having the best teams surrounding him than any other player.  

[HOUSE]

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[hondo in seattle]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The argument would be why is he in the HOF for a few good years?  You could take countless players who produced huge seasons for a few years and then their careers were cut short by injury that produced far longer than Namath did but aren't in the HOF.  Sterling Sharpe would be one of them...one of the greatest WRs ever to play, not in the HOF. Far more worthy than Namath, IMO

 

I think there are a number of players in the HOF who don't belong there.  I guess Namath got in because when the Jets beat the Colts, it was a paradigm shifting moment - one that he predicted.  The Jets didn't just become world champs, the entire AFL was elevated.  

 

Personally, though, despite my appreciation for his talent, I wouldn't have voted him in.  

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Star Lotulrlei, WHT DO I WIN ?? 

Here's your prize

[Rico]

1 hour ago, billybrew1 said:

A Buffalo Bill?

 

Phil Hanson. Maybe he was very good at tying up blockers but Bruce Smith needed more from that position, the NT position and biscuit’s position the whole peak of his career. Bruce was basically alone as an impact player till Bryce Paup got here. Hanson as a blocker tyer upper probably wasn’t as good as Fred Smerlas. Blocker tyer uppers have to be really something, imho, to make the wall…. Ted Washington? Yes. Phil Hanson? No….. he ruins the integrity of the whole wall, imho….

The overrated Buffalo Bill is Ruben Brown.

43 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

You will probably get mocked for this, but I won't laugh at you. Even amongst the pantheons of greatness -- we can acknowledge that a player was great and at the same time say that he was somewhat overrated.

 

Regarding Marino, I am reminded of what Jimmy Johnson said nearly 30 years ago when he had very recently stepped down from being the Cowboys' head coach and was working as an analyst. The debate was who was the best RB in the NFL -- Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith. Jimmy said that he thought that Barry was the greatest RUNNER in the NFL, as he could do things rushing that he had never seen anyone else EVER do. However, he thought that Emmitt was the better RUNNING BACK because he was better is many other key areas, including pass protection and receiving. Smith was also more reliable about getting those 1-2 yards to convert on a first down or score a TD than Barry was.

 

I liken this same principle to Marino, who may have been the greatest PURE PASSER that the league has EVER seen. He could make every pass with precision and had that all-time quick release. However... he was lacking in many other areas, in particular his ball-handling. He could NEVER sell the play action and defenders could always tell whether the play was going to be a pass or a hand off because Dan telegraphed it. Marino's supporters always pointed out that he did all he did despite the fact that the Dolphins were never able to get a running game to support him. I would argue that it was Marino's own fault that the team never got the running game going.

 

Anyway, I guess where I am going with this is that while Marino may have truly been one of the top 3 PASSERS in NFL history, he would not make my list of the top 10 QUARTERBACKS.

Marino was most lacking in big game clutch.

[Big Turk]

28 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

If your defense holds an opponent to 9 points you're almost guaranteed to win.  A game manager can win that game.  Brady has had more top 5 defenses than Rodgers, Manning Mahomes and others combined. He's had the benefit of having the best teams surrounding him than any other player.  

 

Oh? How did that work out for the Bills last year in Jacksonville?

 

[Mickey]

Bob Griese.  An okay system QB on a great team with great coaching.

[loyal2dagame]

Qb-Troy Aikman

Rb- Emmitt Smith

Wr- Michael Irvin

 

Individually each is above average and only achieved greatness due to the all time great oline that the Cowgirls had. That oline should be talked about more than 2 out of the above 3 named players

[aristocrat]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Oh? How did that work out for the Bills last year in Jacksonville?

 

 

Fine, Brady is better than Tyrod I'll give you that much

[NoHuddleKelly12]

44 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I've had my balls busted here for years for giving Tom Brady the credit he's due.  I've always loved watching him play.  He is the GOAT ... and he will forever be the Bills' daddy.

The GOAT of stacked decks! 

 

 

😉

[Rigby]

Terry Bradshaw

Ken Stabler

Joe Namath

Most of the Cowboys 'legends'

[Fleezoid]

 

On one particular Sunday night in 2005........ it was Teddy Bruschi

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

3 hours ago, Whkfc said:

 

But he never played a full season because baseball came first. He would always show up week 7 or 8 when the Royals season ended unlike Deon who put football first.

Not trying to argue, I actually agree with you about the baseball stuff.... I just feel he's remembered with such reverence and I never felt he was that great. 

[Logic]

22 minutes ago, Rigby said:

Terry Bradshaw

Ken Stabler

Joe Namath

Most of the Cowboys 'legends'

This. Take him off that Steelers team with the Steel Curtain carrying him to the Super Bowl every year. Put him on any run of the mill team from those years. Give him the same exact stats otherwise. He wouldn't make the Hall of Fame.

51% Career completion percentage. 212 TDs, 210 INTs. Yes, I realize it was a totally different era in terms of QB stats and expectations. Don't care. Bradshaw was lucky to be the quarterback/care taker on a team with a Hall of Fame defense and head coach.

Totally overrated, and a total blowhard to boot.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

2 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

If by "next to nothing" you mean Bo Jackson was practically unstoppable when carrying the ball.  

 

He wasn't that good of a baseball player either

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

You are missing the context of why tho which is important.  He also played baseball full time for the Royals so that meant he wasn't available to play football for the first 5 or 6 weeks most years...

 

He split time with HOF RB Marcus Allen also, so it's not like they were just going to abandon him.  Bo averaged 5.4 YPC for his career and 73.2 YPg, which would equate to almost 1200 yards per season if extrapolated to a full 16 games.

 

Overrated?  Hardly.  Underused and only available 3/4 of the season?  Sure.  

 

One of the greatest runs I have ever seen came against Seattle on Monday night where he went 90+ for a TD and the Seahawk safety had the angle cut off on him like 30 yards up the field and he just blew by him like he was standing still and he never even got close to making the tackle. Dude might have been the fastest player on a football field of all time.

Can't believe the Bo Jackson mention is getting so much push back when there are knuckle heads in here suggesting that Tom Brady and Emmitt Smith are over rated.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

You also never saw him unnecessarily lose an inch of yardage by taking ill-advised chances. That’s what made him special. 

I agree that he plodded forward most of the time. I don’t think that made Emmett “special.” He was good and running downhill and through open holes. He was just a solid back, in my book. Not special in any way. 
 

Re those 90s backs, I would take Sanders, Thurman, Allen, Faulk, T Davis, and Bettis all over Emmitt. 

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Who was the greatest prospect in the history of the world, had a traditionally solid team go on a one year tank to take him, had that same team trade away their greatest ever player to pave way for him, got inserted into a division who had a five year run of unmatched ineptitude and still managed to produce average results, playing in just one AFCCG and getting smoked in it, winning his terrible division a few times and choking it away at other times?  Oh, and then he retired early.

 

Andrew Luck

 

his twitter feed was epic, however.  

[machine gun kelly]

Curtis Martin for me.  The same for Emmett as they lasted a long time.

 I would’ve taken the Thurmonator over Emmett any day of the week.

 

They we’re good, not game changing.

[TBBills Fan]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No, so why the hell would anyone put him in a more traditional system? A Formula 1 car wouldn't be as good if it was used to do the weekly supermarket run either. 

So says you.  Its the only way I travel to the Supermarket.  I drive the mini-van to and from work though, jus to keep the miles down on my F1 car

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No, so why the hell would anyone put him in a more traditional system? A Formula 1 car wouldn't be as good if it was used to do the weekly supermarket run either. 

 

See Dennison's season as OC here to see what is likely to happen.  

[Buffalo Gal]

MIchael Vick.  

[BillsFanThru-N-Thru]

First name that came to mind was Zach Thomas MLB of the Dolphins.  He made a lot of plays but to me most seemed like they were 4-5 yds down field.  Made Pro Bowl for the amount of tackles but was never a game changer IMO

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

Fine, Brady is better than Tyrod I'll give you that much

 

Now you are just being facetious because Tyrod isn't even worthy of ever being mentioned in the same anything with Brady.

1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

 

He wasn't that good of a baseball player either

Can't believe the Bo Jackson mention is getting so much push back when there are knuckle heads in here suggesting that Tom Brady and Emmitt Smith are over rated.

 

Because he wasn't overrated.  He just never played a full season. but when he did play he was amazing.

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

How about Jim McMahon?

I don't think people regard him to be one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game.

 

Therefore he is not overrated.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

54 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I agree that he plodded forward most of the time. I don’t think that made Emmett “special.” He was good and running downhill and through open holes. He was just a solid back, in my book. Not special in any way. 
 

Re those 90s backs, I would take Sanders, Thurman, Allen, Faulk, T Davis, and Bettis all over Emmitt. 

 

Sanders is definitely the best in that era, but I don't know that i take any of the rest of those guys over prime Emmitt.  

[gobills404]

This fraud

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[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

 

He wasn't that good of a baseball player either

 

Can't believe the Bo Jackson mention is getting so much push back when there are knuckle heads in here suggesting that Tom Brady and Emmitt Smith are over rated.

 

My fault, I didn't realize you were just a troll. 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

William "The Fridge" Perry.  Cool nickname.  Iconic Super Bowl run on an iconic team.  Never made a pro bowl.  Only 27.5 sacks in 10 seasons.  Joe Namath, Terry Bradshaw, and Troy Aikman if we're going QB's.

You ever see Namath play? 
 

he absolutely threw one of the best footballs off all time … threw for 4000 yards in 1967 

 

It literally took the bills like 50 years before we had somebody throw for 4000 yards

58 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Curtis Martin for me.  The same for Emmett as they lasted a long time.

 I would’ve taken the Thurmonator over Emmett any day of the week.

 

They we’re good, not game changing.

 

59 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Curtis Martin for me.  The same for Emmett as they lasted a long time.

 I would’ve taken the Thurmonator over Emmett any day of the week.

 

They we’re good, not game changing.

Emmit Smith led the league in rushing four times… Yards per game three times

 

TDs 3 times , average once… yards from scrimmage twice 

 

No matter what way you put it those are absolutely Hall of Fame numbers.. He doesn’t have to be your favorite but he absolutely dominated

 

[Rico]

Walter Payton. Granted, the Bears were boring af until 1985, so I didn’t pay them much mind.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I agree that he plodded forward most of the time. I don’t think that made Emmett “special.” He was good and running downhill and through open holes. He was just a solid back, in my book. Not special in any way. 
 

Re those 90s backs, I would take Sanders, Thurman, Allen, Faulk, T Davis, and Bettis all over Emmitt. 

Bettis never Led the league in rushing ,touchdowns or average… Or yards from scrimmage… 3.9 career 

 

Smith led the league in rushing four times, Three times touchdown leader, Average leader, Two-time yards from scrimmage leader

 

Even behind a great line those are asinine numbers.. Do I think Thurman was a better all around back? Yes 

 

But emmit has first ballad HoF numbers too … he was far more than really good

Edited July 21, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Mark Vader]

27 minutes ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said:

First name that came to mind was Zach Thomas MLB of the Dolphins.  He made a lot of plays but to me most seemed like they were 4-5 yds down field.  Made Pro Bowl for the amount of tackles but was never a game changer IMO

He was my first choice as well. I'll never understand how he made so many Pro Bowls.

 

Other overrated players:

RB: Ricky Watters, Roger Craig & Jerome Bettis

WR: Michael Irvin & Chad Johnson

DL: Warren Sapp & John Randle

DE: Jason Taylor & Kevin Greene

 

[Rico]

Can’t forget Steve Young either, another great regular season QB…. and of course Peyton Gump (Big Game Chump).

[Brandon]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You ever see Namath play? 
 

he absolutely threw one of the best footballs off all time … threw for 4000 yards in 1967 

 

It literally took the bills like 50 years before we had somebody throw for 4000 yards

 

Emmit Smith led the league in rushing four times… Yards per game three times

 

TDs 3 times , average once… yards from scrimmage twice 

 

No matter what way you put it those are absolutely Hall of Fame numbers.. He doesn’t have to be your favorite but he absolutely dominated

 

 

I agree on Emmitt Smith.  He might be a little overrated as a function of his career numbers and maybe he's not the best RB in league history,  but on any other competent team that emphasized the inside power running game,  I think he's still a likely HOF RB.  Maybe he wasn't super fast, but he had no shortage of long runs in his career. He had good short area quickness and his contact balance and strength to break tackles were very much elite.  They didn't use him as much as a receiver,  but he was pretty good in that role as well,  and was the best RB in pass protection I've ever seen.  He did benefit from their OL,  but I'm not going to fault him for success in favorable circumstances  and I'm not sure there was anyone better suited to the type of offense they ran. 

 

I'd also have to defend Aikman as well.  Yeah, the stat line kinda sucks,  but when they needed a play,  he consistently made them.  He gets labeled as a game manager,  which has some truth to it,  but he could throw downfield as well as anyone in the league when they asked him to.  Best QB in NFL history?  No,  but again,  put him in a competent situation and I think he's probably still a HOFer and,  in fact,  probably puts up better numbers on most of the playoff teams of the era than he did in Dallas due to their heavy emphasis on Smith and the run in the red zone.