SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Imagine Bills fans getting angry because someone says Aaron Rodgers is better than Josh Allen? The good thing is Josh is actually in that conversation. People can make legitimate arguments why Josh is better. But I’m sorry, he’s not better than Aaron Rodgers, yet. Christ, people get upset when I say Lamar isn’t an elite QB. (he isn’t) Aaron has the experience and the 💍 (odd that that’s all people judge a QB by) He’s accurate and his INT’s are low. maybe because Aaron does not throw onto double coverage a lot? Plays it safe? On the other side of the spectrum you had the shiny new toy Lamar who dazzled the NFL with his running and won MVP. Then there is Josh Allen 🦄 Yeah, he was a bit rough around the edges His best WR’s were Zay Jones, J Brown and McKenzie. It took 2 seasons to eliminate “Sugar High Josh” and his 3rd to get more than 3 actually good receivers. Josh ain’t afraid of no ghosts 👻. He will throw into coverage with confidence. Josh can run like a runaway freight train. You don’t want to get in his way and also hope he doesn’t try to jump over you. If there is a loose ball Josh will emulate a rugby player and dive into the scrum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 GB is akin to NE in a way They dominated a division with weaker teams. Bears QB & Coaches Vikings QB & Coaches Detroit Coaches cuz we just saw the QB won a SB. Goff on the other hand went from a legit contender to the hell that Detroit is. It’s a passing league but you will always need to have a sustainable running game to win multiple 🏆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’m a troll for putting Allen behind Rodgers and Mahomes? You're not a troll but you do hold a minority opinion. And I'm talking among all NFL fans, critics and analyst, not just Bills fans. Allen is the odds on favorite to win MVP. Allen and the Bills are the favorite to win the Super Bowl. Allen is coming off back to back season as the top fantasy football scorer. Allen is coming off a near perfect post season. Allen is has the highest career postseason passer rating. Allen holds every single physical and mental attribute one would wish for an NFL QB to have. No other QB in the NFL holds all these attributes. Guys like Mahomes, Herbert and Rodgers are probably the closets but each is probably missing one or two attributes. If Allen's individual postseason success last year is a sign of things to come then he is also only continuing to get better. Allen's regular season last year was a noticeable dip from his production in 2020. But his 2021 postseason was so off the charts it basically made the entirety of the 2020 and 2021 seasons (regular and postseason) essentially the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I think this Stat still stands true — No QB that lead the NFL in passing yards has won a SB that season (3rd place has won, but Stats) God, I’m good 😊 http://www.footballperspective.com/the-trend-continues-no-passing-yardage-leader-has-also-won-the-super-bowl/ The Trend Continues: No Passing Yardage Leader Has Also Won The Super Bowl 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think that you might find those 2 to be more reliable (maybe). In terms of “scary” though Allen is capable of doing things that neither of them are. They aren’t capable of doing anything that he isn’t. They just have less games like Atlanta or Jacksonville. Allen, when he’s clicking, is the scariest. Even in that Atlanta game Allen totally dominated on the ground. When you complete less than 50% of your passes for under 5 yards per attempt and throw 3 INTs but still come out of the game with a 60QBR it shows how dominant he was in other areas. 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: I think this Stat still stands true — No QB that lead the NFL in passing yards has won a SB that season (3rd place has won, but Stats) God, I’m good 😊 http://www.footballperspective.com/the-trend-continues-no-passing-yardage-leader-has-also-won-the-super-bowl/ The Trend Continues: No Passing Yardage Leader Has Also Won The Super Bowl The league MVP is also on like 20+ year drought of winning Super Bowl as well. I'm hoping Allen breaks that drought because I really want him to win MVP. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There is no chance Josh Allen is scarier than Aaron Rodgers. I have no problem putting him 2nd though. Rodgers is on a different planet. At least Super Allen wins playoff games. Rodgers folds Like a house of cards. I’m ok with Mahomes over Allen as he has been in 2 SB’s and our guy hasn’t been in 1. Once Allen overcomes that incredible hurdle, I’ll rerank Allen as #1. My guess as it’s so da*n hard to win a SB he wins 3 before he retires and is in the playoffs every year. As long as we have Beane, McD, and Allen, they’ll field a championship team each year and then sometimes it’s just luck. It wasn’t Allen making a mistake in 13 seconds. That’s what p**see me off when analysts somehow infer its Allen’s fault they didn’t go to the SB. It was the team and the ST coach along with our CB. Thankfully that coach and player are gone and I still can’t believe we actually upgraded again this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 At best you can say Rodgers is a touch better passer and craftier. That said, Allen will destroy you with his arm, run away from you in the open field and embarrass you with his physicality, I’d be much more fearful of Allen overall. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Josh can run like a runaway freight train. You don’t want to get in his way and also hope he doesn’t try to jump over you. To this point I think it was Allen who knocked out Tyrann Mathieu when they collided last year in the postseason right? Has there ever been another instance of a QB taking a defensive player out of the game? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: To this point I think it was Allen who knocked out Tyrann Mathieu when they collided last year in the postseason right? Has there ever been another instance of a QB taking a defensive player out of the game? Yes. Jim Kelly broke players leg after he picked him off WARNING ⚠️ GRAPHIC VIDEO Atlanta Falcons CB Anthony Phillips Career Ending Knee Injury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 8 hours ago, cle23 said: I love how if you dare mention anyone over Allen, you just get downvoted into oblivion. If someone said Mahomes is the better QB, you will not see lot of resistance on this board. TBD is pretty fair imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 No doubt JA has game. Now the team around him needs to rise to the occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Scariest, best, all subjective. Honestly just being discussed as a top 3-5 QB is an accomplishment. He’s entered that group. The subject of this thread is "scariest". As others have stated, Allen meets that criteria more than Rodgers . I think Allen is marginally scarier than Mahomes though the latter is marginally more consistent as a QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: If someone said Mahomes is the better QB, you will not see lot of resistance on this board. TBD is pretty fair imo. True, but it will be interesting to see him without Hill. If he's still putting up the same stats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: 2010 was a very long time ago. Since then, Nick Foles has won a SB. Brady won 4. 2 years ago Packers had the top WR, a top 10 running game, #1 scoring Offense and top 10 D. Then Rodgers choked away the NFCC game vs Tampa. You know who's not afraid of Rodgers? the 49ers, the Bucs..... I remember that team. You said they were extreme over achievers the previous season and weren’t that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: You're not a troll but you do hold a minority opinion. And I'm talking among all NFL fans, critics and analyst, not just Bills fans. Allen is the odds on favorite to win MVP. Allen and the Bills are the favorite to win the Super Bowl. Allen is coming off back to back season as the top fantasy football scorer. Allen is coming off a near perfect post season. Allen is has the highest career postseason passer rating. Allen holds every single physical and mental attribute one would wish for an NFL QB to have. No other QB in the NFL holds all these attributes. Guys like Mahomes, Herbert and Rodgers are probably the closets but each is probably missing one or two attributes. If Allen's individual postseason success last year is a sign of things to come then he is also only continuing to get better. Allen's regular season last year was a noticeable dip from his production in 2020. But his 2021 postseason was so off the charts it basically made the entirety of the 2020 and 2021 seasons (regular and postseason) essentially the same. Allen is a freak of nature. If I was a fan of another team I would be more afraid of Rodgers and Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Doc said: True, but it will be interesting to see him without Hill. If he's still putting up the same stats... That's like saying Allen should put up the same stats without Diggs. If Mahomes does the same without Hill, he's probably QB1 in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Rodgers has created 3 different WR1 in his career, I’m sure he’ll create another one next year. Draft Allen Lazard in fantasy. Every team has a #1 WR. The QB doesn't create them though unless you think Rodger's bun might be harboring them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I love it but Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes are still the scariest in my opinion. Allen right there close to them. You're getting nothing but "homer hatred" here ha ha. Josh is as scary but all 3 can vouch for that #1 spot. He didn't say "I'd trade Josh for Rodgers or Mahomes", calm down LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, cle23 said: That's like saying Allen should put up the same stats without Diggs. If Mahomes does the same without Hill, he's probably QB1 in the league. Diggs is the only stud Josh has. Mahomes still has Kelce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: You're getting nothing but "homer hatred" here ha ha. Josh is as scary but all 3 can vouch for that #1 spot. He didn't say "I'd trade Josh for Rodgers or Mahomes", calm down LOL Lol it’s all good. People are excited about JA with good reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer323i Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yeah, probably 20 times. People tend to say QBs are bad in the playoffs when they go a lot but lose. Which so far is Josh Allen. The narrative will start changing every time he goes and loses. He’s won 12. He’s also been in the league for 50 f’en years to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Setting aside the who is better than whom discussion, the title of this thread gave me a thought. Let’s add a name to the stadium, Yeates Field at Highmark Stadium. Named after Cardinal O’Hara great Jeff Yeates, drafted out of Boston College by the Bills in the fourth round of 1973 draft, spent three years with the Bills, eight years with Falcons. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: I remember that team. You said they were extreme over achievers the previous season and weren’t that good. 2019. I'm referencing about 2020--very good team, best Offense-and Rodgers was still crying (some here sided with his "no weapons" nonsense). As most of us suspected, we all now know it was an act to get his money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: 2019. I'm referencing about 2020--very good team, best Offense-and Rodgers was still crying (some here sided with his "no weapons" nonsense). As most of us suspected, we all now know it was an act to get his money. Yes…..that’s why I said the “previous season”……. you said that they would regress as it was obvious the 2019 team overachieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yes…..that’s why I said the “previous season”……. you said that they would regress as it was obvious the 2019 team overachieved. OoPS!--they didn't. Turns out the were loaded with talent on Offense by 2020, despite the Jordan Love pick, which had no impact whatsoever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: OoPS!--they didn't. Turns out the were loaded with talent on Offense by 2020, despite the Jordan Love pick, which had no impact whatsoever They didn’t win the super bowl…..you have no idea what would’ve happened if they would drafted 2 players with the 2 picks used on Love. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 15 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I love it but Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes are still the scariest in my opinion. Allen right there close to them. When Mahomes and Rodgers start trucking d-linemen and LBers, get back to me with scary. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: They didn’t win the super bowl…..you have no idea what would’ve happened if they would drafted 2 players with the 2 picks used on Love. win it?? they didn't even play in it---the MVP choked. lol. Name any 2 draft picks in your head and he still throws that TD pass into the dirt instead of running, Josh-like, into the EZ. you keep dying on this hill and Rodgers only laughs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: win it?? they didn't even play in it---the MVP choked. lol. Name any 2 draft picks in your head and he still throws that TD pass into the dirt instead of running, Josh-like, into the EZ. you keep dying on this hill and Rodgers only laughs.... Let’s not act like LaFleur didn’t choke…..he clearly made the wrong decision…..but it’s only on Rodgers. Riiiight. tristan wirfs was one of the reasons the Bucs offense had so much success. Winfield made huge plays all season. in a one possession game, no one knows what kind of impact a 1st rd draft pick that actually suited up would have had. meanwhile….Jordan Love blows. Great pick. Any draft pick would’ve helped that team more than Love did. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 11 hours ago, cle23 said: I love how if you dare mention anyone over Allen, you just get downvoted into oblivion. I think it's because it Rodgers. If it were Mahomes, I think some may actually agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: To this point I think it was Allen who knocked out Tyrann Mathieu when they collided last year in the postseason right? Has there ever been another instance of a QB taking a defensive player out of the game? Jimbo did it, in his prime: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: 2019. I'm referencing about 2020--very good team, best Offense-and Rodgers was still crying (some here sided with his "no weapons" nonsense). As most of us suspected, we all now know it was an act to get his money. I admit I was one of his apologists due to his excellence on the field (in regular season games anyway). But his act has worn thin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I have no problem with the premise: How many QBs can you name that can do all of this in any game: - rush for TD - pass for TD - receive a TD - leap a defender - stiff arm a DL into ground - run over a safety - rush for 100 yards - pass for 300 yards - evade a pass rusher who has him dead to rights - throw late across the middle on the run 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: OoPS!--they didn't. Turns out the were loaded with talent on Offense by 2020, despite the Jordan Love pick, which had no impact whatsoever Yeah, that was the problem. It was a bad/wasted pick then and an even worse pick in hindsight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: The league MVP is also on like 20+ year drought of winning Super Bowl as well. I'm hoping Allen breaks that drought because I really want him to win MVP. because it went to a popularity contest. Was Aaron really that spectacular? When they speak of QB comps today it’s how they compare to JA17 can they improve to become a superstar like JA17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 hours ago, cle23 said: That's like saying Allen should put up the same stats without Diggs. If Mahomes does the same without Hill, he's probably QB1 in the league. Diggs is not the game changer Hill is. If you single Diggs, he’ll get a catch. Single Hill and you worry he takes it to the house. Diggs is a really good player, Hill is a different level of game breaker. I would expect Allen to do comparable damage without Diggs, Hill changes the way teams play you. I think Hill will be sorely missed in KC. I do believe Pat will be fine, but that’s because he is one of the best in the biz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I don't mean to seem disparaging but the woman (I'm unfamiliar with her) seems smug as heck. It's tough not to think Josh is one of the most fearsome players to face in the league. Not only does the dude have a rocket where his right arm is supposed to be, he's as big as a gotdang yeti and he's deceptively fast. Defenders see him take off and think, "Oh, I took a bad angle but shoot, I can catch him... *Josh zips past* oh crap, maybe I can't." On top of this the kid has really learned the game, understands defenses much better, knows where the ball needs to go, has that field general awareness now where he knows what everyone is supposed to be doing... he has a belief that he's a special type of player, he has a work ethic that won't let him quit even after he brings home eleven championships. He's extremely determined and I think with all of that combined, yeah, it makes him more threatning that Rodgers and Mahomes. Rodgers might scramble here and there but his running isn't anything defenses generally worry about. Obviously both he and Mahomes can pick a defense apart and while Josh has really quit with the heroball almost completely, Mahomes still falls back into those old habits like we saw in the second half against the Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 46 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: because it went to a popularity contest. Was Aaron really that spectacular? When they speak of QB comps today it’s how they compare to JA17 can they improve to become a superstar like JA17? Rodgers has been absolutely phenomenal the last 2 regular seasons. He 100% deserved that award each of the last 2 seasons. Let’s not forget it’s a regular season award and it went to exactly who it should have. …. And that’s not me taking anything away from our guy. Whom I absolutely love and would pick over ANY qb going into the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, wjag said: I have no problem with the premise: How many QBs can you name that can do all of this in any game: - rush for TD - pass for TD - receive a TD - leap a defender - stiff arm a DL into ground - run over a safety - rush for 100 yards - pass for 300 yards - evade a pass rusher who has him dead to rights - throw late across the middle on the run How come he doesn't have any no look passes on his resume? (I'm too lazy to do the every other cap thing) Edited July 17, 2022 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, The Wiz said: How come he doesn't have any no look passes on his resume? (I'm too lazy to do the every other cap thing) I’ve definitely seen Josh throw a no look pass too fyi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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