Racially motivated murder at Tops

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

I would have to agree- do not do anything stupid, and you live to fight another day. Ive always listened to what police have told me along with being respectful and kind, and it always worked out well for me. 
 

I really wish we can all come together and just be Americans. I served for 21 years so others wouldn’t have to suffer here on the home front, but here we are fighting and killing each other, for what? 

 

This FBI data goes back to 2018

 

• 62 million police contacts with citizens 
• 10,310,960 arrests 
• 990 shot by police
• 18 were unarmed (7 black, 1 Hispanic, 10 white)

 

There is a 0.00000029% chance of being shot, unarmed, by police

 

(I've had LEO's point firearms at me before, when I did nothing wrong. I complied and was on my way in 15 minutes)

[All_Pro_Bills]

5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Ecofascist.

 

Fascism is right-wing. Communism to the left. Of course both of us are somewhere in middle off the axis.

 

Can't have it both ways.  Both ideologies are concerned with the environment.  

Fascist or Communist, Far right or far left, although claiming ideological differences, both employ the same tactics.  Crush dissent, suppress freedom, rule through terror, censor truth, and equate the goals of the party to the goals of the State.  

[KDIGGZ]

10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Ecofascist.

 

Fascism is right-wing. Communism to the left. Of course both of us are somewhere in middle off the axis.

 

Can't have it both ways.  Both ideologies are concerned with the environment.  

So China isn't authoritarian? Because communism is left wing? Uhhh what

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

So China isn't authoritarian? Because communism is left wing? Uhhh what

There's left authoritarian... It's called communism. China.  And whatever Putin is morphing into...

 

9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Fascist or Communist, Far right or far left, although claiming ideological differences, both employ the same tactics.  Crush dissent, suppress freedom, rule through terror, censor truth, and equate the goals of the party to the goals of the State.  

Private business exists in a fascist state.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So then let's start a list.... 

 

• Semi-trailer manufactures
• Moving van manufactures
• Car manufactures
• Knives manufactures
• Plane manufactures
• Helicopter manufactures
• Boats manufactures
• Petroleum companies 
• Alcoholic beverage companies
• Firearm manufactures
• Ammonium Nitrate manufactures
• Cherry producers
• Apricot producers
• Plum producers
• Peach producers
• Apple producers
• Pear producers
• Rice producers
• Castor oil producers

 

How long should we make this list?

 

why don’t we put fentanyl at the top of the list, followed by the rest of the opioids peddled by corrupt big government pharma.

 

and actually let’s add politicians and government too.  

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Would you not allow the people the right to sue? 

 

Nope.  Our courts are fouled up enough already with frivolous lawsuits.  Slippery slope you're opening up there. 

[billsfan_34]

54 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

This FBI data goes back to 2018

 

• 62 million police contacts with citizens 
• 10,310,960 arrests 
• 990 shot by police
• 18 were unarmed (7 black, 1 Hispanic, 10 white)

 

There is a 0.00000029% chance of being shot, unarmed, by police

 

(I've had LEO's point firearms at me before, when I did nothing wrong. I complied and was on my way in 15 minutes)

Thank you for posting the facts- much appreciated and a breath of fresh air 🍻 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Lawyers sue for anything now, and some win because they are right. Why are guns exempt from liabilty in crimes? Makes no sense 

 

 

Because if there was not a human misusing the item for what it was not intended to be used there would be no crime.   The gun didn't commit the crime.  

 

Sue the individual not the weapon manufacturer.  Should Nicole Brown Simpson's family have sued the knife manufacturer instead of OJ? 

 

You're being naive at best stupid at worst.  

Just now, billsfan_34 said:

Thank you for posting the facts- much appreciated and a breath of fresh air 🍻 

 

Why?  Facts mean nothing here.  They will be ignored. 

[billsfan_34]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Because if there was not a human misusing the item for what it was not intended to be used there would be no crime.   The gun didn't commit the crime.  

 

Sue the individual not the weapon manufacturer.  Should Nicole Brown Simpson's family have sued the knife manufacturer instead of OJ? 

 

You're being naive at best stupid at worst.  

 

Why?  Facts mean nothing here.  They will be ignored. 

Well I did my part lol 

[Tiberius]

 

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

This FBI data goes back to 2018

 

• 62 million police contacts with citizens 
• 10,310,960 arrests 
• 990 shot by police
• 18 were unarmed (7 black, 1 Hispanic, 10 white)

 

There is a 0.00000029% chance of being shot, unarmed, by police

 

(I've had LEO's point firearms at me before, when I did nothing wrong. I complied and was on my way in 15 minutes)

What? You are saying that only 990 people were shot by cops in the last 3 and a half years? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

What? You are saying that only 990 people were shot by cops in the last 3 and a half years? 

 

In 2018, the FBI data that came up for me. And in typical fashion.... Tips skips the rest of the information. 👍

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Private business exists in a fascist state.

But only to serve the interests of "The State".  That what the oligarch racket is all about.

Edited May 17, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[ExiledInIllinois]

9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

But only to serve the interests of "The State".  That what the oligarch racket is all about.

Yeah... So Putin is obfuscation communism, fascism and the complicated history w/The Ukraine... 

 

He's really a fascist.  Kinda why the far right, populist like Trump, et al... Are pro-Putin.

 

Just like 1930s... We had our businesses, Henry Ford, Charlie Lindbergh's align themselves with the fascists, Hitler... 

[Chef Jim]

27 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

In 2018, the FBI data that came up for me. And in typical fashion.... Tips skips the rest of the information. 👍

And assumes the totals are from 2018-2021 (which is actually 4 years of data) instead of calendar year 2018.  So you’re now learning the lack of intelligence you’re dealing with.  Just give up. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

What? You are saying that only 990 people were shot by cops in the last 3 and a half years? 

That’s what it says, Almost all armed with weapons 

3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yeah... So Putin is obfuscation communism, fascism and the complicated history w/The Ukraine... 

 

He's really a fascist.  Kinda why the far right, populist like Trump, et al... Are pro-Putin.

 

Just like 1930s... We had our businesses, Henry Ford, Charlie Lindbergh's align themselves with the fascists, Hitler... 

 

and Hitler idolized  FDR for his governing style. 

[HamSandwhich]

On 5/15/2022 at 2:46 AM, Warcodered said:

I mean it was clearly motivated by racism that's really not in dispute.

Yep, in one persons twisted mind, not the mind of all republicans as the media wnd left wing politics want to paint it. 

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

What? You are saying that only 990 people were shot by cops in the last 3 and a half years? 

Race baiting at its finest. I’m sure he blamed it on the Ultra Maga. Where was this visit in other mass shootings Locke Wakusha Christmas parade where kids were mowed down? What’s that you say? The skin color of tbe aggressor didn’t match his fear mongering? Oh I see. 

[HamSandwhich]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

What? You are saying that only 990 people were shot by cops in the last 3 and a half years? 

You’re learning something. Look it’s real time sticker shock in reverse, much less than you thought huh? 

[L Ron Burgundy]

8 hours ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Oh, well if Fox news says so it must be true 

Unfortunately that's how it goes for many people watching fox or msnbc or any other crap news station we have in our country. 

[Boatdrinks]

13 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Nearly every one of them are gang shootings. Not a school shooting or what took place in Buffalo. 

 

And of those 600+ both years you listed? The VAST majority are carried out by minorities. That goes against the media narrative if we are counting "mass shootings". 

 

 

The source is npr. That says a lot. What qualifies as a “ mass shooting” ? 2 or more? I agree nearly all of these would fall into the gang- related category, not a school shooting, store, theater etc. 

[Boatdrinks]

13 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

A quote from the other side:

 

"Law enforcement had the opportunity [remove weapons out of his life] to do so when they ordered an evaluation on him following threat of school shooting." 

 

The answer to this is clear.   They didn't,  just like they didn't put barricades up on January 6th.

 

ANY other person or group... They wouldn't have been so lax.

I doubt it was the fault of law enforcement. More likely an extremely liberal psychologist that evaluated him, said he was fine and just needed nurturing and understanding because he was “ triggered” or some other psycho babble. The liberal mindset infiltrates and perverts law enforcement in NYS. When criminals are coddled law enforcement is weakened. 

[ALF]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

I doubt it was the fault of law enforcement. More likely an extremely liberal psychologist that evaluated him, said he was fine and just needed nurturing and understanding because he was “ triggered” or some other psycho babble. The liberal mindset infiltrates and perverts law enforcement in NYS. When criminals are coddled law enforcement is weakened. 

 

I wonder if victims families started suing some psychologists for malpractice they might tighten up , at least send them a message.

[Governor]

42 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

I wonder if victims families started suing some psychologists for malpractice they might tighten up , at least send them a message.

The school system’s hands are tied and they really can’t bring any attention to these crazy kids when they see red flags. Doctors, social workers, have infiltrated the schools and made a huge mess of everything.

[Andy1]

Psychology is an inexact science. The Red Flag Law should have automatic triggers with threats at school being one of them.

[Rockpile233]

29 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Psychology is an inexact science. The Red Flag Law should have automatic triggers with threats at school being one of them.

Completely agree. Explicit threats like these should be taken seriously. 

[Tiberius]

11 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

Yep, in one persons twisted mind, not the mind of all republicans as the media wnd left wing politics want to paint it. 

Race baiting at its finest. I’m sure he blamed it on the Ultra Maga. Where was this visit in other mass shootings Locke Wakusha Christmas parade where kids were mowed down? What’s that you say? The skin color of tbe aggressor didn’t match his fear mongering? Oh I see. 

Was that officially a domestic terrorist event? 

 

[BuffaninSarasota]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Was that officially a domestic terrorist event? 

 

It's called a domestic terrorist event when it's politically expedient to do so.

 

Yes, it was, even though Biden predictably did not call it as such

 

C'mon Tibs, don't be naive

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

It's called a domestic terrorist event when it's politically expedient to do so.

 

Yes, it was, even though Biden predictably did not call it as such

 

C'mon Tibs, don't be naive

Law enforcement decides if it was, not the president. 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Law enforcement decides if it was, not the president. 

Not really. These are just words. The President can use whatever words he wants to describe it. I think what you’re referring to is what the legal system will choose to prosecute it as….which is completely different. 

[aristocrat]

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Nearby residents said they heard at least three to five different guns firing multiple rounds.

[BillsFanNC]

18 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

This FBI data goes back to 2018

 

• 62 million police contacts with citizens 
• 10,310,960 arrests 
• 990 shot by police
• 18 were unarmed (7 black, 1 Hispanic, 10 white)

 

There is a 0.00000029% chance of being shot, unarmed, by police

 

(I've had LEO's point firearms at me before, when I did nothing wrong. I complied and was on my way in 15 minutes)

 

17 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Thank you for posting the facts- much appreciated and a breath of fresh air 🍻 

 

16 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

In 2018, the FBI data that came up for me. And in typical fashion.... Tips skips the rest of the information. 👍

 

16 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

And assumes the totals are from 2018-2021 (which is actually 4 years of data) instead of calendar year 2018.  So you’re now learning the lack of intelligence you’re dealing with.  Just give up. 

 

So let's continue with the facts and look at this study in which participants were asked their political leaning and then asked the following..

 

 

 

 

So nearly half (44%) of self identified liberals estimate 1000 unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2019, when the actual number was 27. That's overestimating by almost 40 fold!

 

I wonder how so many are led to believe that there is a far, far greater problem than actually exists?

 

Nah, it couldn't be legacy media and social media that feeds this BS narrative day after day. They would never, ever publish disinformation in order to enhance public distrust in the police and further racial division. It couldn't be that.

 

 

 

[HamSandwhich]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Was that officially a domestic terrorist event? 

 

Wakusha was not determined to be, there are politics at play with this democratic justice department. I’m sure it was terrorizing for those being run over, wasn’t it? 
 

What about the black supremicists who shot up people in the subway recently? Was Biden there to talk about black supremacy or how his race baiting from him and his administration is a direct cause if the standard they are putting Republicans to is to stand? 
 

This is disgusting race baiting by the administration. They are picking a choosing based on the narrative, creating a moral panic directed at one race. Does he think increasing the heat against whiteness is going to cause less of these instances?? 

[Motorin']

19 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

This FBI data goes back to 2018

 

• 62 million police contacts with citizens 
• 10,310,960 arrests 
• 990 shot by police
• 18 were unarmed (7 black, 1 Hispanic, 10 white)

 

There is a 0.00000029% chance of being shot, unarmed, by police

 

(I've had LEO's point firearms at me before, when I did nothing wrong. I complied and was on my way in 15 minutes)

 

The FBI data set notes that it is based on self reporting from police departments. They don't actively track this.

 

Whereas the total number of police shootings as tracked by the Washington Post are 4-5 times higher. 

 

The fact that the FBI only started asking police departments to report shootings to them in 2018, and that as few as 1 in 5 police shootings get reported is a bit revealing. 

 

As to your data analysis, I'd say your conclusions are probably inaccurate.

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Motorin'

[ArdmoreRyno]

25 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The FBI data set notes that it is based on self reporting from police departments. They don't actively track this.

 

Whereas the total number of police shootings as tracked by the Washington Post are 4-5 times higher. 

 

The fact that the FBI only started asking police departments to report shootings to them in 2018, and that as few as 1 in 5 police shootings get reported is a bit revealing. 

 

As to your data analysis, I'd say your conclusions are probably inaccurate.

 

 

What analysis? 

And we can only go off what is reported. Anything else is just a guess. 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said:

Wakusha was not determined to be, there are politics at play with this democratic justice department. I’m sure it was terrorizing for those being run over, wasn’t it? 
 

What about the black supremicists who shot up people in the subway recently? Was Biden there to talk about black supremacy or how his race baiting from him and his administration is a direct cause if the standard they are putting Republicans to is to stand? 
 

This is disgusting race baiting by the administration. They are picking a choosing based on the narrative, creating a moral panic directed at one race. Does he think increasing the heat against whiteness is going to cause less of these instances?? 

Oh BS. Black supremicists? Ok. 

 

You just sound upset racists are being called out for what they are 

[Westside]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Oh BS. Black supremicists? Ok. 

 

You just sound upset racists are being called out for what they are 

You’re not calling out racists, you’re being a racist.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Westside said:

You’re not calling out racists, you’re being a racist.

Rubber and glue from Trumpists 

 

same as it ever was...same as it ever was...

[Westside]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Rubber and glue from Trumpists 

 

same as it ever was...same as it ever was...

Stupid is as stupid does

[HamSandwhich]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh BS. Black supremicists? Ok. 

 

You just sound upset racists are being called out for what they are 

He is an avowed black supremicists, if you’ve ever seen his YouTube videos that have now been taken down. It’s not even a question. 
 

The white supremicists narriative is overblown to the point of hysteria. Are there white supremicists in the country? Yes. Are they as prevalent as the left says they are? Much like police statistics are overblown by the left, the white supremicist infiltration is overblown. It’s all political. The left is now trying to ascribe great replacement theory they guy (who hates republicans and Fox News in his manifesto) was espousing to any grievance against the way we are policing the border or how we think voting policy should be in regards to illegal immigrants. That’s not the great replacement theory, that’s just politics. They are trying to pin this all on the republicans but the American people are tired of this bs, they saw this happen with the word “racist” and how the left made all republicans racist, they see through this. Dems think this a Roe will be a wedge issue that will turn November around to disgusting attempts to divide this country, and it won’t work. Americans know better. Watch. 

[billsfan_34]

37 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh BS. Black supremicists? Ok. 

 

You just sound upset racists are being called out for what they are 

You are a special man 🙏

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

You are a special man 🙏

Do you believe whites are being replaced? Or any part of this crap?