Can we talk about Tremaine Edmunds?

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Just now, delirious said:

 

He took away all those passing lanes in the KC game as Mahomes targeted him countless times, and made him look like he had his pants down 🤣.

He took advantage of Wallace defending the sideline when it didn't matter.  You should spend some time and watch the other 18 games.

[Brand J]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They aren’t trading Edmunds. 
 

 

 

Both are listed at 6’5”, but Edmunds is clearly taller than Josh in both pics.

[transient]

2 hours ago, Yantha said:

Yeah I've been wondering why we haven't.  Time for a respectful chat!  

 

Personally, I say "he's a Bill", so we have to hope he steps it up and plays to his potential.  But I think that Beane knows best of course, and Edmunds has a value according to the team.  Will he be traded?  Given an ultimatum?  Surely he wants a big paycheque, so he has to EARN that.

I guess the rumors are true... trends really do lag behind north of the border.

[Aesop]

I expect this revamped D-Line to prevent guards from getting to the second level, allowing Edmunds some more clean looks at his gaps in the run game. He is already an amazing coverage LB in this system. Buffalo has lacked a true 1 tech at DT and with the failed experiment of Star, Edmunds has under performed against the run. We also run a ton of nickel, meaning Edmunds is asked to cover multiple gaps in the run game. But to sum it up, I say we let Edmunds play out this season and if all goes according to plan he should be in for a big year. We'll decide on next year after we win the SUPER BOWL this year.

[Milanos Milano]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Honestly, two guys we have been overlooking are Tremaine Edmunds and Breece Hall. I feel like we need to debate those guys more, we are clearly slacking. 

I honestly feel like making another Breece Hall thread, it’s an itch I can’t make go away. 

[Buffalo ill]

I'm just responding to say any thread that has "can we talk about" in the title isn't worth reading.

[delirious]

26 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

He took advantage of Wallace defending the sideline when it didn't matter.  You should spend some time and watch the other 18 games.

 

I did, he definitely wasn't lighting the world on fire. The KC game was his magnum opus

[MrEpsYtown]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I honestly feel like making another Breece Hall thread, it’s an itch I can’t make go away. 

Haha! I'd probably see a doctor for that not so fresh feeling. 

[Yantha]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

I'm just responding to say any thread that has "can we talk about" in the title isn't worth reading.

Then move along.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Haha! I'd probably see a doctor for that not so fresh feeling. 

McDermatitis and the clap. 

[HoofHearted]

1 hour ago, Yantha said:

Look...  The Bills ranked 20th in run defense, their worst team stat....

 

The fact that we have not seemed to be even putting much stock into drafting a linebacker early (I know.... cornerback.....) to me was something I was curious about.  There have been some suggestions to draft linebacker, but considering that run defense was arguably one of the bigger weaknesses last season (not just my opinion, just going by team stats), should we not be putting more of an emphasis on stopping the run?

Von Miller will help, and we added some DL FA's.  

 

Yes, there have been lots of Tremaine discussions... but at the CORE of my post was a draft question.  

 

The struggles vs the run stemmed from the defensive line more so than the linebackers. I did some breakdowns during the season which highlighted a lot of this. The change of guard on the defensive line this offseason did not happen by accident.

18 minutes ago, ONEandDONE said:

I expect this revamped D-Line to prevent guards from getting to the second level, allowing Edmunds some more clean looks at his gaps in the run game. He is already an amazing coverage LB in this system. Buffalo has lacked a true 1 tech at DT and with the failed experiment of Star, Edmunds has under performed against the run. We also run a ton of nickel, meaning Edmunds is asked to cover multiple gaps in the run game. But to sum it up, I say we let Edmunds play out this season and if all goes according to plan he should be in for a big year. We'll decide on next year after we win the SUPER BOWL this year.

 

Just wanting to clarify - us running nickel does not make Edmunds a two gapper.

[Yantha]

1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

 

The struggles vs the run stemmed from the defensive line more so than the linebackers. I did some breakdowns during the season which highlighted a lot of this. The change of guard on the defensive line this offseason did not happen by accident.

Good points.  Do you feel we are "done" on DL for this draft, and to what extent will our run defense improve if we don't make a change(s) with linebackers?

[FilthyBeast]

2 hours ago, Yantha said:

Linebacker is a need.  But just how BIG of a need remains to be seen and I am guessing that most would agree that Tremaine is at the center of that discussion.  So?  A few questions from me to you.

 

What happened to Tremaine?  

Why hasn't he really held up to his first round grade?

Can he rebound?  What are the chances?  Will money motivate him as he finishes up his current contract?

Any insights on what Beane and the Bills brass think about Tremaine and his future in Buffalo?

Could Tremaine be used as trade bait on draft day?  Or before?

This draft is fairly deep in LB talent, even on day 3.  Should we move on or put our faith in Tremaine?

 

I feel this topic has been beat to death but here's my honest answers on the situation:

 

What happened to Tremaine?  Nothing really, he's just been a woefully average player that rarely makes any game changing/impact type of plays.

Why hasn't he really held up to his first round grade? For the above reasons, there's not really any difference between him and most run of the mill LB's drafted in the mid rounds. Remember Milano was a 5th round pick and is arguably the better player and showed early in his career unlike Edmunds who apparently still gets a pass by some because of how young he is.

Can he rebound?  What are the chances?  Will money motivate him as he finishes up his current contract? Still think he's not a fit for this scheme/defense and his best chances to reach whatever potential he  may have is on another team, specifically in a 3-4 scheme.

Any insights on what Beane and the Bills brass think about Tremaine and his future in Buffalo? I believe behind closed doors they realize this is his last season in Buffalo assuming he's not traded before or during the 2022 campaign.

Could Tremaine be used as trade bait on draft day?  Or before? Obviously

This draft is fairly deep in LB talent, even on day 3.  Should we move on or put our faith in Tremaine? Definitely move on even if Edmunds has a 'career year' knowing it's a contract season. I wouldn't be surprised if we draft his replacement this year either in the top 3 rounds, at the end of the day you can't sign everyone anyway and LB is one of the easier positions to replace in terms of draft/FA.

 

[HoofHearted]

1 minute ago, Yantha said:

Good points.  Do you feel we are "done" on DL for this draft, and to what extent will our run defense improve if we don't make a change(s) with linebackers?

 

No idea. I don't know the players they brought in well enough to give an opinion of them nor do I have any insight into how the coaching staff plans on using any of them. All I can tell you is a lot of the issues we had last year was from guys on the defensive line getting reached or being doubled and overtaken allowing offensive linemen to work up to the second level faster than they should be able to.

[Mat68]

I expect Buffalo extends Edmunds in camp similar to the timing they did Allen last year.

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, Buffalo619 said:

Edmunds embarrasses himself on a game basis. He needs to be traded or cut. 

With the videos of Allen and Edmunds coming out today I doubt that happens. 

[freddyjj]

3 hours ago, Yantha said:

Linebacker is a need.  But just how BIG of a need remains to be seen and I am guessing that most would agree that Tremaine is at the center of that discussion.  So?  A few questions from me to you.

 

What happened to Tremaine?  

Why hasn't he really held up to his first round grade?

Can he rebound?  What are the chances?  Will money motivate him as he finishes up his current contract?

Any insights on what Beane and the Bills brass think about Tremaine and his future in Buffalo?

Could Tremaine be used as trade bait on draft day?  Or before?

This draft is fairly deep in LB talent, even on day 3.  Should we move on or put our faith in Tremaine?

 

The Search Feature is your friend @Yantha.  Use it and respond to an older Edmunds thread and voila, your back on page 1!

 

Edited April 26, 2022 by freddyjj

[Fan in Chicago]

2 hours ago, Yantha said:

I've been here for 3 weeks maybe and didn't see a dedicated thread.  I'm hearing that there are lots of other threads but they are buried in the later pages.  Sorry I don't go mining back into the past, bringing back STALE threads.

geez....  People...  Try being positive and happy. for a change.

 

A topic that has been discussed after the season ended and before TC and the draft is not stale. The discussion about Edmunds has been from February and nothing has changed since then. You just want to refresh the discussion, which is fine. Then you should have just bumped one of these threads:

 

 

That search took me 2 minutes to do - a lot shorter time than the time you have spent defending this thread. 

[John from Riverside]

Thank you for bringing this up I don’t think we’ve talked about this before

[Yantha]

Guys....  with respect.....  considering some of the snide responses here, I'm guessing that if I bumped an old thread, I'd get equally lambasted for doing so.  If you don't want to discuss T.E., then please just stop posting your responses.  Nothing is forcing you to.

 

Move along to a discussion you are interested in.  Just a suggestion.

[delirious]

1 minute ago, Yantha said:

Guys....  with respect.....  considering some of the snide responses here, I'm guessing that if I bumped an old thread, I'd get equally lambasted for doing so.  If you don't want to discuss T.E., then please just stop posting your responses.  Nothing is forcing you to.

 

Move along to a discussion you are interested in.  Just a suggestion.

 

The wheels are already in motion, bud. All you can do is buckle up and hang on 😎

[Yantha]

6 minutes ago, delirious said:

 

The wheels are already in motion, bud. All you can do is buckle up and hang on 😎

"I hate talking about Tremaine Edmunds!!!  .......  so I'm going to continue talking about Tremaine Edmunds!!!!!"  Bahhhhhh!  lol....  

 

I need a psychology degree to stick with this discussion board.  Seriously.  haha

 

EDIT:  Case in point, Rochesterfan's 12 year old "barf" emoji below.  To you sir, I say "barf" back at ya! 

Stop posting and move along.  Hoping to talk about linebackers here as we get closer to the draft.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Yantha

[PrimeTime101]

3 hours ago, Yantha said:

Linebacker is a need.  But just how BIG of a need remains to be seen and I am guessing that most would agree that Tremaine is at the center of that discussion.  So?  A few questions from me to you.

 

What happened to Tremaine?  

Why hasn't he really held up to his first round grade?

Can he rebound?  What are the chances?  Will money motivate him as he finishes up his current contract?

Any insights on what Beane and the Bills brass think about Tremaine and his future in Buffalo?

Could Tremaine be used as trade bait on draft day?  Or before?

This draft is fairly deep in LB talent, even on day 3.  Should we move on or put our faith in Tremaine?

Yantha You are on purpose starting threads that have been either talked about all year long/beating the bush on a topic/or just flat out troll threads.  with 160+ replies/posts, I have come to one conclusion... your a troll. 

[Yantha]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Yantha You are on purpose starting threads that have been either talked about all year long/beating the bush on a topic/or just flat out troll threads.  with 160+ replies/posts, I have come to one conclusion... your a troll. 

Move along.  Nobody is forcing you to read my posts.  Better yet, set me to ignore.  Thanks.

That goes for the rest of you who seem to have an issue with my posts.  Best for everyone.

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, Yantha said:

Move along.  Nobody is forcing you to read my posts.  Better yet, set me to ignore.  Thanks.

That goes for the rest of you who seem to have an issue with my posts.  Best for everyone.

"and for the rest of you who seem to have an issue with my posts" 

 

there ya have it folks... 

3 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Please use the search bar on the top right corner of the message board.

There are maybe ten thousand topics on this. The difference is they add some content other than just "lets talk about Tremaine Edmunds."

 

Pick one of those and just reply to the thousand page thread.

indeed

[Rochesterfan]

8 minutes ago, Yantha said:

Move along.  Nobody is forcing you to read my posts.  Better yet, set me to ignore.  Thanks.

That goes for the rest of you who seem to have an issue with my posts.  Best for everyone.

 

Ahhh - the old it is not me that is the problem - must be everyone else that is the issue - line of reasoning.

 

I come in - don’t do any of things I should - like search - and whamo everyone else on the board is an issue.

 

Then I will throw shade and tell people to ignore me.

 

 

 

Instead of that - fix the issue - delete the duplicate - read through one of the threads presented to you and add your thoughts - plus you get the added benefit of already seeing what people think.

Or add the thoughts on to any of the other threads about who the Bills should draft and ask the questions.

There are many solutions over ignoring a poster, but when people do dumb things - they get dumb responses.

 

 

Edited April 26, 2022 by Rochesterfan

[Putin]

3 hours ago, wppete said:

Pay Tremaine, trade Poyer and draft his replacement. Problem solved. 

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard , at no point in your rambling Incoherent response you were even close to anything that could be considered a …………….

[wppete]

5 minutes ago, Putin said:

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard , at no point in your rambling Incoherent response you were even close to anything that could be considered a …………….

Relax Vlad 😂 

[PrimeTime101]

9 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Ahhh - the old it is not me that is the problem - must be everyone else that is the issue - line of reasoning.

 

I come in - don’t do any of things I should - like search - and whamo everyone else on the board is an issue.

 

Then I will throw shade and tell people to ignore me.

 

 

 

Instead of that - fix the issue - delete the duplicate - read through one of the threads presented to you and add your thoughts - plus you get the added benefit of already seeing what people think.

Or add the thoughts on to any of the other threads about who the Bills should draft and ask the questions.

There are many solutions over ignoring a poster, but when people do dumb things - they get dumb responses.

omg 10000% ty

[Fan in Chicago]

14 minutes ago, Yantha said:

Move along.  Nobody is forcing you to read my posts.  Better yet, set me to ignore.  Thanks.

That goes for the rest of you who seem to have an issue with my posts.  Best for everyone.

Let me help you out here.

 

This board has been in existence for 20+ years. It has well established customs and guidelines which has served the TBD community well and has resulted in this being one of the finest sports fan boards you can find. Respectful discussion is encouraged and oldies get some leeway due to their past contributions to this board.

If you come in to the board, it will serve you well to learn more about assimilating than trying to force your thoughts on to others and being aggressive. Admitting a mistake or ignorance is not a bad thing. 

 

You can adjust your attitude and have a long and fun experience on this board. Or you can decide otherwise. Or you can have that decision made for you. 

[Don Otreply]

I think we should talk about Beasley, he never got the amount of conversation he warranted…, 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

I think we should talk about Beasley, he never got the amount of conversation he warranted…, 

LMFAO

[Magox]

4 hours ago, wppete said:

Pay Tremaine, trade Poyer and draft his replacement. Problem solved. 

The other way around

[Paup 1995MVP]

3 hours ago, Yantha said:

I've been here for 3 weeks maybe and didn't see a dedicated thread.  I'm hearing that there are lots of other threads but they are buried in the later pages.  Sorry I don't go mining back into the past, bringing back STALE threads.

 

I love talking about the draft, but honestly some of you make this annual visit rather painful.  We are all Bills fans so why is there always a core group of bad apples that just like to throw insults and cause conflict.  

 

geez....  People...  Try being positive and happy. for a change.

Yantha well put.  It is tough to have real football discussions on here.  Some people just talk a lot of nonsense on here.  Not a lot of hard core football talk by some.  I don't go on other teams message boards.  So I don't know how those compare.  And I never go on social media.  Would be too jacked up all day.  And that's not healthy, and I have a business to run.  

 

That being said.  Edmunds has never been very good.  He isn't terrible.  Just not a very good professional football player.  I believe he was overdrafted.  I believe he is just too long to be a physical player in the middle of the field.  However, the thing that hurts him the most is his poor instincts for the game.  He just doesn't seem to have a good feel for the flow of the play and is usually a step behind.  I don't hate the guy.  I just think we can do a lot better at his position.  I hope we can include him in a trade on draft day and get rid of his $12million salary.  

[TheFunPolice]

Since you asked my advice, I never ask when I want to talk about Tremaine Edmunds. I just start talking about Tremaine Edmunds. 

 

Life gets pretty interesting when you do that. 

Edited April 26, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Yantha said:

Linebacker is a need.  But just how BIG of a need remains to be seen and I am guessing that most would agree that Tremaine is at the center of that discussion.  So?  A few questions from me to you.

 

What happened to Tremaine?  

Why hasn't he really held up to his first round grade?

Can he rebound?  What are the chances?  Will money motivate him as he finishes up his current contract?

Any insights on what Beane and the Bills brass think about Tremaine and his future in Buffalo?

Could Tremaine be used as trade bait on draft day?  Or before?

This draft is fairly deep in LB talent, even on day 3.  Should we move on or put our faith in Tremaine?

 

This has been beaten to death I would say...but, given you poised it with specific questions and are new here I will participate:

 

1. Nothing happened to Edmunds, what people dislike the most about him is related to how he is used.  He has his flaws, but he is also quite good at what he is asked to do in McD's defense the majority of the time, which is almost like playing as a 3rd safety out there more than an on the ball LB.  
2. 4 seasons, 2 Pro Bowls, 5th in the NFL in total tackles since entering the league.  I mean, thats a pretty good resume for anyone, let alone a first rounder.  So not living up to his first round grade seems like a poor description of him.
3. No he can't rebound to what you expect of him, at least not here, because McD and Frazier are not likely going to change how they use him and that is biggest contributor to what the fans don't like.  Its why Edmunds teammates, coaches, Beane, opponents, etc all sing him praises all the time...because he is doing what is being asked of him well, fans just don't like how he is being used then blame it solely on him.  He makes mistakes sure, but he is not nearly as bad as your post is making him out to be.
4. Never say never, but I doubt he is traded at all this year.  He is the QB of the defense...thats a lot to ask of a rookie, and its the one position outside QB that usually takes the longest to really learn because they need to identify the offense pre snap and make sure everyone is in the right places, recognize audibles, etc.  This is our best shot in 30 years at a SB, maybe even ever.  Edmunds is worth more to us than what they would get in trade.
   1. Side note:  If we lose him next year for nothing, still good chance we get a 3rd comp pick for him as we wont have the budget to make a lot of big signings.  We can also tag him, and thats assuming Beane didn't just extend him.  So unless Beane got a crazy offer, I doubt they see the value in trading him ahead of a major SB run this year.  
5. I think they could take a LB in the draft, but I don't think that seals Edmunds fate automatically.  I think they let him play this season out and then will see how he does in this revamped D and make a decision if he is worth extending or do they commit to a new direction at that point.  

Edited April 26, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Yantha]

4 hours ago, Mickey said:

I've got a lot of problems with you people and now, you're going to hear about it.....first off, this Rob Johnson guy.... 

Don't get me STARTED on Rob Johnson!  lol.....

 

Flutie forever! 

[Aesop]

2 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

 

The struggles vs the run stemmed from the defensive line more so than the linebackers. I did some breakdowns during the season which highlighted a lot of this. The change of guard on the defensive line this offseason did not happen by accident.

 

Just wanting to clarify - us running nickel does not make Edmunds a two gapper.

Not all 4-2-5's are alike. In some situations the Mike would have 2-gap or widened gaps based on the alignment (shades of the DL). But I see your point and I appreciate your civil discourse.

[Mango]

5 hours ago, Yantha said:

Linebacker is a need.  But just how BIG of a need remains to be seen and I am guessing that most would agree that Tremaine is at the center of that discussion.  So?  A few questions from me to you.

 

What happened to Tremaine?  

Why hasn't he really held up to his first round grade?

Can he rebound?  What are the chances?  Will money motivate him as he finishes up his current contract?

Any insights on what Beane and the Bills brass think about Tremaine and his future in Buffalo?

Could Tremaine be used as trade bait on draft day?  Or before?

This draft is fairly deep in LB talent, even on day 3.  Should we move on or put our faith in Tremaine?

 

5 hours ago, Yantha said:

LOL.....  Is that what's going to happen?  I haven't been here for a while....

 

Let's not let emotion take this one over. 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Yantha said:

If I missed an Edmunds thread, then mods please merge.

 

I didn't see anything here, but only rejoined this group maybe 3 weeks ago.  We are getting closer and closer to the draft, and RESPECTFULLY was asking the knowledgeable fans a few questions.

 

smh...

 

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/search/?&q=edmunds&type=forums_topic&quick=1&search_and_or=and&search_in=titles&sortby=newest

 

4/26 - Can we talk about Tremaine Edmunds

4/14 -  Two Bills Drive "Draft Competition" - Prize is a Bills cap (NOTE: Zig Fracassi thinks we trade up to #7 for LB and trade Edmunds and picks to Giants)

4/8 -  2023 Extension? (Poyer/ Edmunds/Knox/Oliver)

3/18 - Trading Edmunds makes no sense at this point

3/14 - Tremaine Edmunds contract comparison

3/9 - Some guy who's been wrong before says, Edmunds to the Steelers?

3/1 - Walter Football Mock with the Hot Take on our MLB

2/26 - Would you take #4 picks in this year's draft for Lotulelei and Edmunds?

 

We average about 1 per week.

 

EDIT: To no surprise, you are the same person who created a thread that started with the idea that Morse was the most important position on the entire roster to upgrade this year.

 

Edited April 26, 2022 by Mango
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[bigduke6]

Edmunds is polarizing for a reason,  hes not 100% legit.  if he was,  nobody would be debating anything about him.   is he worth the large contract hes gonna want?  imo no.  we dont debate about Diggs,  or Allen,  or etc.    Edmunds plays very poorly at times.   the coaches however appear to like what he does for them, regardless of what we as fans see on the field.

 

 

Edited April 26, 2022 by bigduke6