Jordan Poyer changes agents

[purple haze]

55 minutes ago, Jeff1954 said:

 

I love the NFL. It is the only sport in the whole world where the off-season is as interesting as the season.

Nah.  The NBA has been doing interesting off-seasons for years now.

[wppete]

What is his value in a trade? What can we get for him?

[78thealltimegreat]

People read to much into things Poyer changing agents means nothing Rosenhaus has a great relationship with the Bills back to the Willis Mcgahee days much less the TO days. 
The fact that the Bills already have a guy they are very high on in house in Damar Hamlin means the Bills can let things play out with Jordan if the deal works for both teams great but if not hey it happens. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

People read to much into things Poyer changing agents means nothing Rosenhaus has a great relationship with the Bills back to the Willis Mcgahee days much less the TO days. 
The fact that the Bills already have a guy they are very high on in house in Damar Hamlin means the Bills can let things play out with Jordan if the deal works for both teams great but if not hey it happens. 

Shady mccoy too 

 

are they high on Hamlin?

[78thealltimegreat]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Shady mccoy too 

 

are they high on Hamlin?

Yes from everything I’ve heard they really like him he just can’t get on the field 

[Hebert19]

4 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

He just got paid a season ago.  Too bad.  If he would have had an off season, would he have given back his extension money? 

 

Let him play this season and let him walk.  Draft a first round CB this year.

 

Next year you will have 1st round CB, New FS, Hyde, and White.  That new FS will be coming into a great situation.

This.  Bye poyer.  I think he's actually waaay overrated by mafia.  Put him in another system without Hyde as a partner back there and he's back to riding the pine inside a year. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Yes from everything I’ve heard they really like him he just can’t get on the field 

 

Fact: When Poyer was out for the Houston game, Jaquan Johnson started in his place.

[Hebert19]

1 hour ago, Jeff1954 said:

However, 3 undermines 1. unless we can replace that player with as good or better player by moving up in the draft.

I'd argue that poyer is the one if the MOST replaceable parts of this D.  

 

Sadly it's easier to replace him than Edmunds given the system. 

[Hebert19]

8 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Oliver, Edmunds SHOULD get extensions before Poyer in a very friendly Defense for DBs and Safeties

This!!!!   

 

Corners and safeties in this system are lucky to be in this system.  

 

See EJ Gaines.    We are throwing Dane Jackson and Levi out there and they are looking good.  Just wait until Levi is on an island this year he's going to be awful.  

 

As for safeties...poyer and Hyde don't miss much time but when they do the D looks just fine. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

People read to much into things Poyer changing agents means nothing Rosenhaus has a great relationship with the Bills back to the Willis Mcgahee days much less the TO days.

 

I think, combined with the twittering Poyer's wife has been at since Von Miller signed, it means something that he's changed agents. 

 

Rosenhaus has been cheek-by-jowl with a lot of the Crazy in the NFL including Antonio Brown and before that Johnny Manziel

His firm represents something like 100 players, so it's probably unfair to judge him entirely by that

 

[ColoradoBills]

It costs money.

 

[Rocket94]

4 hours ago, Buddo said:

Poyer is very good. I don't have a problem with him wanting another deal etc.

 

I do have a problem with the way things are being put out there by his wife. It simply isn't the way you should be doing business.

 

Something they might need to consider, is that if not for the Bills giving him his shot in the first place, he might still be scuttling around the league, chasing vet minimums.

 

Also, when complaining about the likes of Diggs and Miller getting paid, it perhaps needs to be mentioned that Miller will be a 1st ballot HOF guy, whenever he becomes eligible, and Diggs will also get some serious consideration, if he continues as he is.

 

Poyer won't even get close to the HOF, unless he turns in the sort of performance that wins a Superbowl, and gets him more noticed.

 

While currently, Poyer and Hyde get a lot of love as the possibly best safety tandem in the NFL, the point is that it's as a tandem, rather than being specifically mentioned individually.

 

IN the grand pecking order of who gets paid in an NFL team, generally speaking, a Safety is pretty low down on the list. Last year, Poyer was something like 13th on the list of highest paid safeties, with Hyde just behind him - and that is towards the end of his deal. Seems to me that that shows that he got decent terms the last time around.

 

Noticeably, Mathieu was getting about $14million per, but he's been cut, and is yet to sign elsewhere iirc.

 

If Poyer becomes a headache, then the Bills could just cut him (I'm not too bothered about the cap considerations atm), and where is he going to go to get the sort of money he's on now?

The type of receiver that Diggs is allows him to play a little longer and still be very effective. Safeties games seem to get older quicker...Poyer is no speed demon to start with.

[butch rolle]

5 hours ago, Buddo said:

Poyer is very good. I don't have a problem with him wanting another deal etc.

 

I do have a problem with the way things are being put out there by his wife. It simply isn't the way you should be doing business.

 

Something they might need to consider, is that if not for the Bills giving him his shot in the first place, he might still be scuttling around the league, chasing vet minimums.

 

Also, when complaining about the likes of Diggs and Miller getting paid, it perhaps needs to be mentioned that Miller will be a 1st ballot HOF guy, whenever he becomes eligible, and Diggs will also get some serious consideration, if he continues as he is.

 

Poyer won't even get close to the HOF, unless he turns in the sort of performance that wins a Superbowl, and gets him more noticed.

 

While currently, Poyer and Hyde get a lot of love as the possibly best safety tandem in the NFL, the point is that it's as a tandem, rather than being specifically mentioned individually.

 

IN the grand pecking order of who gets paid in an NFL team, generally speaking, a Safety is pretty low down on the list. Last year, Poyer was something like 13th on the list of highest paid safeties, with Hyde just behind him - and that is towards the end of his deal. Seems to me that that shows that he got decent terms the last time around.

 

Noticeably, Mathieu was getting about $14million per, but he's been cut, and is yet to sign elsewhere iirc.

 

If Poyer becomes a headache, then the Bills could just cut him (I'm not too bothered about the cap considerations atm), and where is he going to go to get the sort of money he's on now?

Yeah, I agree that it seems like Jada, I mean Rachel, might be this guy's undoing

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Fact: When Poyer was out for the Houston game, Jaquan Johnson started in his place.

Yes I know I was referring to the end of the season not the way he was viewed October 3rd.

Now watch the preseason this year and how much he plays and get back to me. 

Edited April 8, 2022 by 78thealltimegreat

[Warriorspikes51]

45 minutes ago, butch rolle said:

Yeah, I agree that it seems like Jada, I mean Rachel, might be this guy's undoing

Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Yes I know I was referring to the end of the season not the way he was viewed October 3rd.

Now watch the preseason this year and how much he plays and get back to me. 

 

Errr.....the guys who play the most in preseason are usually the guys who are closest to the "bubble" and fighting for a roster spot

You know that, right?

 

End of the season, Johnson and Hamlin got equal playing time subbing in for Poyer and Hyde in the final Jets game and in the NE playoff game

 

What evidence of a preference you have?

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

Nah.  The NBA has been doing interesting off-seasons for years now.

Laugh if you want it’s true.  Are you an NBA fan?

Edited April 8, 2022 by purple haze

[wppete]

Trade Poyer for a 3rd round pick and draft Jalen Pitre. A great replacement and probably $10-12million cheaper.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by wppete

[Hapless Bills Fan]

37 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

 

Rachel Bush has >3M Instagram followers and who knows how many OnlyFans subscribers, and I'm sure a number of them don't keep both hands in sight while they're viewing her accounts.  Some guys who have "been there" like being with that, others would tell you living with that has its down side. 

 

As far as support - none of us know whether/how she supports him in private.  She's tweeted about hating that she has to live in/be associated with NY State.  For all we know, Poyer may know he's got a good thing going on in B'lo playing in McDermott's system and partnering with Hyde, and be willing to trust his agent to negotiate a fair deal in turn, but wifey is pushing him to insist Beane negotiate NOW or trade him to somewhere she likes better - which may or may not be to his benefit.  Or maybe she does truly support whatever he wants, career-wise.  Don't know.

 

I'll let Diggs point out the downside of the player being too involved or too public about contract negotiations:

https://youtu.be/sy-mJC-f8ek?t=404

In case that doesn't link to the right timestamp, about 6:44 in.  Diggs says he didn't have any conversations with Beane, he trusts his agent to go to bat for him, he  "lets those things figure themselves out rather than be too involved, because it can put a tarnish on a relationship, this is a business"

 

Do you honestly think Beane negotiates player contracts, or prioritizes which contracts to negotiate next, based on what's trending on Twitter and Insta or what the player or his spouse put out there?  I think it would be safe to "bet the rent money" that he doesn't.    But I do think the team has people who monitor social media, and certainly fans do.  The potential to tarnish the relationship with the team or with the fans vs. a player who just keeps it business, hires an agent he trusts, and then steps back, seems pretty clear.

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Do you honestly think Beane negotiates player contracts, or prioritizes which contracts to negotiate next, based on what's trending on Twitter and Insta or what the player or his spouse put out there?  I think it would be safe to "bet the rent money" that he doesn't.    But I do think the team has people who monitor social media, and certainly fans do.  The potential to tarnish the relationship with the team or with the fans vs. a player who just keeps it business, hires an agent he trusts, and then steps back, seems pretty clear.

 

I think your question-and-answer could grammatically/logically suggest that Beane doesn't negotiate contracts, and instead follows social media to gauge which way the wind is blowing. Obviously I know that's not the intention, and likely just my stupid former English Prof brain putting more pressure on that first comma+conjunction construction. 

[ProcessTruster]

On 4/6/2022 at 4:12 PM, Warcodered said:

and I thought I wouldn't have anything to needlessly worry about after the Diggs deal.

yeah, this will be the final or next to final season for the core group of 10 or so guys we recongnize as the core of the team.  hope they get it done as this may be the last season we see them together it would seem...can't pay everyone 20m per year. 

 

 Beane betting the farm on the next couple years; hope is works out.  go bills

[Chandler#81]

Just gonna leave this here..

 

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, wppete said:

Trade Poyer for a 3rd round pick and draft Jalen Pitre. A great replacement and probably $10-12million cheaper.

 

 

You can take him and not trade Poyer.  We need all hands on deck this season and I don't want to break up the Poyer/Hyde combo for some 3rd round pick.

[MAJBobby]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

Yes the arm candy should stay out of Other Players money. The minute she opened up her glory hole about Von or using Hyde in her tweets she crossed the line. 
 

brady put his arm candy in place Poyer doesn’t. 

[Sierra Foothills]

22 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Oliver, Edmunds SHOULD get extensions before Poyer in a very friendly Defense for DBs and Safeties

 

18 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

The Bills secondary play cannot simply be attributed solely to smoke and mirrors.

 

12 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Sure it can. Tell me How hard do you think it is for a player to be 15 yards off the Ball. With their eyes looking right at the QB. safety is easier to play than RB OG WLB and those are all very easy positions. Safety is the easiest position to play on a football field. Now add it into a Cover 3 DB friendly defenses. And You have two players that have been moved on from their other teams making all pros. Hyde is the glue back there I can get same production from any NFL safety next to Hyde. Doesn’t have to have the name Poyer or be paid 12M a year. 

 

I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.

[babulator]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

 

Ok Rachel.

[ProcessTruster]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Just gonna leave this here..

 

restructuring requires basically paying now most of the future salary payments and spreading the cap hit over 4 or 5 years going forward.   it all works as long as the player is on the roster, still motivated (remember he has most of his contract $$ in his pocket already if restructured) healthy and producing for those 4 or 5 (or more years).  If anything happens to health, production and the player is anything other than traded, the whole unrecognized contract value hits the year the player leaves (other than getting traded).   So we'll see how it goes.  the Bills' highest paid players have been healthy and productive, as long as that continues (and the cap continues to increase) kicking the cap can down the road works.  high stakes game.   go bills

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

10 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

Complaining on social media about your partner's employer is insanely unprofessional and completely out of line.  I would be mortified if my wife took to twitter to complain about my salary or to call out my employer.  I realize her entire life revolves around her social media presence and accumulating "followers", but she needs to realize that most people operate in a much different world.

[JustHewIt]

2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.

But are they good football players, or true All-Pros? They were castoffs before they came here.  Good football players can be replaced with younger, cheaper good football players in a good scheme.  All Pros can't be replaced.  The latter gets paid no matter what.

Tre went out, our secondary soldiered on.  If Josh/Diggs/Von went out (KNOCK ON WOOD.), would it go on at nearly the same level?

Edited April 8, 2022 by JustHewIt

[ndirish1978]

11 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

 

This is some really pathetic energy here. The point being that by opening her mouth and creating a distraction she is in fact doing the opposite of helping her husband, but lacks the self awareness to realize it. Unless her goal is to talk her husband off the team, in which case I'd say the fans are right to be annoyed with her. Her looks have literally nothing to do with anything. I'm starting to view her as I view Eugene Parker, who cost us a pretty decent safety that no one wanted to lose at the time either. This FO has shown that they don't like things negotiated in public, they prefer things to be kept in-house. If Poyer wants a new deal, he has Rosenhaus approach the FO. If they FO says no to a raise, he has three choices: play out his remaining year, engage in childish antics claiming he won't play absent a new deal, or he can ask for a trade, in which case complaining publicly lowers the likelihood of him moving because it lowers his trade value. Beane isn't about option 2 and the majority of fans in Buffalo will immediately turn on the player for messing with our Super Bowl window. Team Poyer's best move is to shut up, negotiate quietly and if things fall apart, quietly ask for a trade. That is, if he actually cares about the team that gave him a chance to develop into a very good player and the fans who have only supported him, as he purports to.

 

Look at Diggs, we never even knew something was being negotiated and he never complained about anything, then he got paid. 

Edited April 8, 2022 by ndirish1978

[MAJBobby]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.

And they do.  Find me a Cover 3 base coverage scheme over the last decade that has not had a good secondary?

[SCBills]

I love Poyer as a person and player, but the fact of the matter is we can't keep paying everyone who wants more money.

 

Especially in the secondary, where we have a very friendly system and a coach who knows how to get the most out of players.  

 

Poyer has worked hard and become a very good player, but is he the same player elsewhere?  Are we any worse off with a different Safety?  I honestly don't know.

 

There's 5 big decisions to  make after this upcoming season:  Knox, Edmunds, Poyer, Saffold & Singletary.   Of those guys, the only must sign for me is Knox and I wouldn't mind Edmunds & Saffold if the money is right and their play warrants them being back.  

 

If I'm the Bills.. Poyer, Singletary and Edmunds (dependent upon their long term view of him) are all available right now.  None of those guys here or gone changes the fact that this is a Super Bowl roster.  LB, RB, S are as replaceable as it gets in the NFL.  

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.

 

1 hour ago, JustHewIt said:

But are they good football players, or true All-Pros? They were castoffs before they came here.  Good football players can be replaced with younger, cheaper good football players in a good scheme.  All Pros can't be replaced.  The latter gets paid no matter what.

Tre went out, our secondary soldiered on.  If Josh/Diggs/Von went out (KNOCK ON WOOD.), would it go on at nearly the same level?

 

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

And they do.  Find me a Cover 3 base coverage scheme over the last decade that has not had a good secondary?

 

I'm not saying that Poyer has to be re-signed at any and all costs.

 

I am saying that some here are dismissing his contributions to the team, as if he's a generic plug and play guy.

 

Poyer is a very good player and a respected veteran leader. If he departed before the 2022 season, it would undo a lot of the gains the team has made this offseason, both from a personnel and a morale standpoint.

 

It will be interesting to see how the team handles this somewhat sensitive situation.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

I'm not saying that Poyer has to be re-signed at any and all costs.

 

I am saying that some here are dismissing his contributions to the team, as if he's a generic plug and play guy.

 

Poyer is a very good player and a respected veteran leader. If he departed before the 2022 season, it would undo a lot of the gains the team has made this offseason, both from a personnel and a morale standpoint.

 

It will be interesting to see how the team handles this somewhat sensitive situation.

The way I see it.  Does the Bills win total projections change with Hamlin or Johnson as the other safety over Poyer?  No with will not.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Predictable 

 

 

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Predictable 

 

 

Depending on the money Im sure Beane will listen.  I think if Buffalo signs a starting caliber cb, saftey is in play rd 1.

[YoloinOhio]

I’m not going to worry too much about this. It looks like poyer wants to stay. If Beane and McDermott want him too I think they will find a way. I have no doubt that McDermott loves him. 

This is just McDermott’s type of guy:

 

[Big Turk]

43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m not going to worry too much about this. It looks like poyer wants to stay. If Beane and McDermott want him too I think they will find a way. I have no doubt that McDermott loves him. 

This is just McDermott’s type of guy:

 

 

He wants to finish his career here and has been a great player for us.  I think Beane tries to get something done.

[wppete]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

You can take him and not trade Poyer.  We need all hands on deck this season and I don't want to break up the Poyer/Hyde combo for some 3rd round pick.

I agree. But what if Poyer  threatens to hold out? Trade him and find replacement in the draft? Some studs in the 2nd -3rd round this year at safety. 

[MAJBobby]

3 years 26M that is where I go.  AAV is 8.6M  That is a good contract for Poyer.  Can make the first 2 years fully guaranteed.  Anything more than that I would move on