Breece Hall Please!!

[SportsCoach]

Well I better say something here... The other day I posted about doing a mock draft on a different forum and trading down, picking up more picks.. So far my two players I got were... 

 

RB Breece Hall pick 35

CB Kyler Gordon pick 57

 

Okay with that? Lol I saw Gordon went top ten in your guys mock, so I feel like I made a solid move so far...

 

 

[njbuff]

I’m beginning to think that all the teams in front of the Bills will be loading up on all the top talent at WR and CB.

 

I’m warming to the fact that the Bills 1st round pick will be either Hall or Walker.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked.

 

Remember, the Bills were all in on Etienne at 30.

[Airseven]

A RB like Hall is more likely for Bills early in the draft than a WR. Bills top 4 WRs are set and Singletary is a UFA in 2023. They've proven to be looking for a more dynamic RB. The question is value - could be a selection at #25 and then trade-up from #57 to secure RB/CB in some order.  

[CapeBreton]

On 4/6/2022 at 9:20 AM, njbuff said:

I’m beginning to think that all the teams in front of the Bills will be loading up on all the top talent at WR and CB.

 

I’m warming to the fact that the Bills 1st round pick will be either Hall or Walker.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked.

 

Remember, the Bills were all in on Etienne at 30.

Were they though? It’s all hearsay. There were Bills writers who liked the idea of picking Etienne at 30 (Marcel Louis-Jacques) but I don’t think it was based on the Bills office actually liking Etienne. 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

Were they though? It’s all hearsay. There were Bills writers who liked the idea of picking Etienne at 30 (Marcel Louis-Jacques) but I don’t think it was based on the Bills office actually liking Etienne. 

I agree

 

I'm almost certain ETN wasn't the guy.. and I don't think he's a game changing NFL back

 

 

On 4/6/2022 at 10:40 AM, Airseven said:

A RB like Hall is more likely for Bills early in the draft than a WR. Bills top 4 WRs are set and Singletary is a UFA in 2023. They've proven to be looking for a more dynamic RB. The question is value - could be a selection at #25 and then trade-up from #57 to secure RB/CB in some order.  

Wide receiver is one of the most injury prone positions in the NFL.. and we're lacking on outside wide receivers outside of diggs and Davis 

 

I absolutely think they would draft a wide receiver over running back round 1 .. I really think round two is The Sweet spot for rb

[Milanos Milano]

On 4/6/2022 at 5:20 AM, njbuff said:

I’m beginning to think that all the teams in front of the Bills will be loading up on all the top talent at WR and CB.

 

I’m warming to the fact that the Bills 1st round pick will be either Hall or Walker.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked.

 

Remember, the Bills were all in on Etienne at 30.

This is pretty much my thinking.

[Logic]

I've somewhat come around on the idea of drafting a running back either in the late 1st or early 2nd. I'd prefer it be in the 2nd, and I still don't think the value is particularly good compared to other positions.

That said, it can be reasonably argued that a dynamic running back helps the offense overall -- including the passing game -- more than a 1st round WR. Adding a dynamic, legitimate threat to the backfield for five seasons likely takes this offense up a notch because the Bills would truly be able to punish defenses for selling out to stop the pass. Singletary finished 2021 on a high note, but make no mistake, defensive coordinators aren't staying up at night trying to figure out how to stop him.

The thing that has me thinking this may be a reasonable pick is that, as others have pointed out, there may be a run on WRs and CBs in round 1. If it gets to pick 25, and you're choosing between the 6th best WR, 5th best CB, or a dynamic RB1...again, it can be reasonably argued that that dynamic RB helps your offense more than WR6 would, and maybe helps your team overall more than CB5 would.

Still not my top choice, but I'm not gonna throw my TV out the window if it happens.

[Vickveto]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I've somewhat come around on the idea of drafting a running back either in the late 1st or early 2nd. I'd prefer it be in the 2nd, and I still don't think the value is particularly good compared to other positions.

That said, it can be reasonably argued that a dynamic running back helps the offense overall -- including the passing game -- more than a 1st round WR. Adding a dynamic, legitimate threat to the backfield for five seasons likely takes this offense up a notch because the Bills would truly be able to punish defenses for selling out to stop the pass. Singletary finished 2021 on a high note, but make no mistake, defensive coordinators aren't staying up at night trying to figure out how to stop him.

The thing that has me thinking this may be a reasonable pick is that, as others have pointed out, there may be a run on WRs and CBs in round 1. If it gets to pick 25, and you're choosing between the 6th best WR, 5th best CB, or a dynamic RB1...again, it can be reasonably argued that that dynamic RB helps your offense more than WR6 would, and maybe helps your team overall more than CB5 would.

Still not my top choice, but I'm not gonna throw my TV out the window if it happens.

Only throw the TV if it’s Drake London.

[CapeBreton]

Is Bills Mafia the only fan base that is actually clamouring to take an RB in round 1? I can’t see any other team going for one. 

[muppy]

On 3/30/2022 at 2:36 PM, NewEra said:

Would love to sneak a peek @ Beanes current CB prospect rankings.  WR too while we’re peeking. 

 

I’m starting to wane at the thought of WR @ 25.  Not because I don’t want one, i do….. rather I think the guys that we covet will be gone (Olave, williams, Wilson).  Maybe we go Burks or Dotson, but they might be gone too.  I don’t think we’d draft London even if he’s there.  I think we take one of the top 3 if they’re there…. If not…. I think it’’ll be corner.
 

While people seem to be souring on Gordon after the combine, I currently think that he’ll be our pick if he’s there.  How does Beane have Elam, Gordon, McDuffie, booth ranked.  I think one will be there.  Likely Gordon.  Maybe Elam.  McDuffie and Booth likely gone.  One of those guys will be the pick of the WRs are gone.  If the corners are gone too….

 

I could see Breece Hall or Kennth Walker….and I’d be happy about it.  Maybe not the smartest move….but I’d enjoy the ef outta either one

DITTO!~!~!!! As Im reading this thread allll the discussion may end up being moot if the Bills covet someone else in that spot. I am thinking they May trade up for their guy (whichever position) due the roster being so stacked as it is they would be willing to do it. I also think if they draft a corner/DB high that person may well get a great many snaps in his rookie season.

 

SO carry on I will be happy whomever they draft because he will then be OUR player and hope springs eternal he will be GREAT.

 

Cody Ford was a Miss ....Pout* I respect McBeane so I'll just leave that to noone is 1000% perfect every single time. *shrugs*

 

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[Mat68]

Idk if he is worth 25 maybe Walker and something substantial would need to happen at Cb before I would like Buffalo to pass on a db even if its a perceived reach for a player like McCreary.  

[Rigotz]

Running Backs drafted in the first round the last 14 years:

 

Najee Harris #24

Travis Etienne #25

Clyde Edwards-Helaire #32

Josh Jacobs #24

Saquon Barkley #2

Rashaad Penny #27

Leonard Fournette #4

Christian McCaffrey #8

Ezekiel Elliott #4

Trent Richardson #3

Doug Martin #31

David Wilson #32

Mark Ingram #28

CJ Spiller #9

Ryan Matthews #12

Jahvid Best #30

Knowshon Moreno #12

Donald Brown #27

Beanie Wells #31

 

14 years and I see maybe 3 players worth the pick.

It's horrible value to go after running backs in the first round and that has been proven time and again. 

 

[MRW]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

14 years and I see maybe 3 players worth the pick.

It's horrible value to go after running backs in the first round and that has been proven time and again. 

 

 

That is a rough list. I'm not even sure I see 3, even if you think they've listed up to a first round slot production wise, how many of them ended up shipped up for low draft picks after being overpaid on a second contract? To me that's the deciding factor.

[Putin]

If we got a call from the Colts our 25th for Jonathan Taylor how many people on here would decline that offer ? 

[whorlnut]

22 minutes ago, Putin said:

If we got a call from the Colts our 25th for Jonathan Taylor how many people on here would decline that offer ? 

Exactly. This is who breece Hall is compared to. Nobody would turn that down. 

[716er]

Beane has already wasted two mid-round draft picks on running backs. Hope he does not do it again.

[JaCrispy]

8 minutes ago, 716er said:

Beane has already wasted two mid-round draft picks on running backs. Hope he does not do it again.

The problem is not where he drafts them, but who he drafts...Beane wouldn’t know a good RB if it hit him in the face...

[JaCrispy]

On 4/8/2022 at 6:19 PM, Vickveto said:

Only throw the TV if it’s Drake London.

I will add Treylon Burks to that...👍

[Vickveto]

24 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I will add Treylon Burks to that...👍

I like Burks. what makes you hate him? I saw him just  out run SEC defenses. Drake London there is no separation in his highlight tapes I have no idea what people see in him. The other player that would make me throw the TV is Quay Walker I saw a mock (NFL.com) that had him coming to us. I like about five linebackers before him.

Edited April 10, 2022 by Vickveto

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Running Backs drafted in the first round the last 14 years:

 

Najee Harris #24

Travis Etienne #25

Clyde Edwards-Helaire #32

Josh Jacobs #24

Saquon Barkley #2

Rashaad Penny #27

Leonard Fournette #4

Christian McCaffrey #8

Ezekiel Elliott #4

Trent Richardson #3

Doug Martin #31

David Wilson #32

Mark Ingram #28

CJ Spiller #9

Ryan Matthews #12

Jahvid Best #30

Knowshon Moreno #12

Donald Brown #27

Beanie Wells #31

 

14 years and I see maybe 3 players worth the pick.

It's horrible value to go after running backs in the first round and that has been proven time and again. 

 

 

Interestingly the average draft position of the 19 players on this list is 17.11 but none of them were drafted between picks 12 and 24.

 

Of the 8 that were chosen at/before pick 12, the average draft position was 6.75.  Those teams were shooting for an "elite" running back

 

Of the 11 that were chosen at/after pick 24. the average draft position was 28.3. Those teams were trying to nail the right value.

 

25 minutes ago, 716er said:

Beane has already wasted two mid-round draft picks on running backs. Hope he does not do it again.

 

But this discussion is about high-round draft picks... 1st or 2nd round.

[JaCrispy]

45 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

I like Burks. what makes you hate him? I saw him just  out run SEC defenses. Drake London there is no separation in his highlight tapes I have no idea what people see in him. The other player that would make me throw the TV is Quay Walker I saw a mock (NFL.com) that had him coming to us. I like about five linebackers before him.

I don’t hate him...it’s just because of the type of offense we run, I don’t think he’s first round pick worthy- compared to other receiver prospects that should be available...

Edited April 10, 2022 by JaCrispy

[Dopey]

8 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t hate him...it’s just because of the type of offense we run, I don’t think he’s first round pick worthy- compared to other receiver prospects that should be available...

Edmunds sucks. 😂

[716er]

54 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

But this discussion is about high-round draft picks... 1st or 2nd round.

 

An even worse idea

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t hate him...it’s just because of the type of offense we run, I don’t think he’s first round pick worthy- compared to other receiver prospects that should be available...

King Herb is all about elite traits.  No elite traits, Herb no like. 

[JaCrispy]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

King Herb is all about elite traits.  No elite traits, Herb no like. 

Love me some elite traits...

 

Here’s to hoping we get some more on both sides of the ball in a few weeks...👍

Edited April 10, 2022 by JaCrispy

[ganesh]

On 4/9/2022 at 3:11 AM, Buffalo716 said:

I agree

 

I'm almost certain ETN wasn't the guy.. and I don't think he's a game changing NFL back

 

 

Wide receiver is one of the most injury prone positions in the NFL.. and we're lacking on outside wide receivers outside of diggs and Davis 

 

I absolutely think they would draft a wide receiver over running back round 1 .. I really think round two is The Sweet spot for rb

Disagree.   Josh Allen has the arm to get the ball to even average WRs as long as Davis, Diggs and Knox are on the field.  He even got a 100 yard game for McKenzie against the Patriots.   We really lack a home run hitter at RB....The presence of a Hall will bring more fear to this offense and it will truly be unstoppable.

[Buffalo716]

36 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Disagree.   Josh Allen has the arm to get the ball to even average WRs as long as Davis, Diggs and Knox are on the field.  He even got a 100 yard game for McKenzie against the Patriots.   We really lack a home run hitter at RB....The presence of a Hall will bring more fear to this offense and it will truly be unstoppable.

It's just about the lack of value of drafting running back in the first round

 

The smart GMs take them in the 2-4 rounds  

 

You got a 5th year option with a first round pick.. you want that on a high value position

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

It's just about the lack of value of drafting running back in the first round

 

The smart GMs take them in the 2-4 rounds  

 

You got a 5th year option with a first round pick.. you want that on a high value position

 

 

What if Breece turns out to be the elite RB many think he can be? Wouldn't having the 5th year option  be a bonus for the Bills? They'd also have the 2 extra years of franchising him as well

[CSBill]

He may be great, but I am just not a big fan of drafting RBs in round one. Their shelf-life is short, and way too many examples of really really good ones being picked up later. No, I would rather go for a harder to fill position.

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by CSBill

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, CSBill said:

He may be great, but I am just not a big fan of drafting RBs in round one. Their shelf-life is short, and way too many examples of really really good ones being picked up later. No, I would rather go for a harder to fill position.

 

 

 

Wouldn’t that be gambling with the draft pick? With the current roster, wouldn’t you want an immediate contributor than an unknown prospect? In rounds 4-7, it’s okay. I think rounds 1-3 should be immediate contributors to the team. That’s my opinion 

[Buffalo716]

8 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What if Breece turns out to be the elite RB many think he can be? Wouldn't having the 5th year option  be a bonus for the Bills? They'd also have the 2 extra years of franchising him as well

Breece definitely has a chance to become a stud... Here's the most likely scenario tho given he does 

 

The bills have the most dynamic player in the NFL, Josh Allen.. realistically you want the ball in his hand as much as possible...  Now that doesn't mean you don't want a stud running back .. you need balance

 

But Josh gets 11 yards a completion... A top back will get 5 yards per carry... It's just more efficient with Josh

 

So realistically our star running back is not going to be getting Adrian Peterson type carries..  and if he really has the goods... He probably would like to sign to a team that would use him like that

 

I can't see an elite running back who's being underused in our offense , because Josh touches the rock so much, want to re sign after his rookie deal 

 

It's probably rookie deal and moving on honestly

 

Because if he's that good a team will pay him to be a feature back ..  and I honestly don't see 250 or 270 carries in this offense

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Breece definitely has a chance to become a stud... Here's the most likely scenario tho given he does 

 

The bills have the most dynamic player in the NFL, Josh Allen.. realistically you want the ball in his hand as much as possible...  Now that doesn't mean you don't want a stud running back .. you need balance

 

But Josh gets 11 yards a completion... A top back will get 5 yards per carry... It's just more efficient with Josh

 

So realistically our star running back is not going to be getting Adrian Peterson type carries..  and if he really has the goods... He probably would like to sign to a team that would use him like that

 

I can't see an elite running back who's being underused in our offense , because Josh touches the rock so much, want to re sign after his rookie deal 

 

It's probably rookie deal and moving on honestly

 

Because if he's that good a team will pay him to be a feature back ..  and I honestly don't see 250 or 270 carries in this offense

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a hypothetical what if scenario the most dynamic player in the league is unavailable. What would plan B look like? Case Keenum? Would his abilities alone win games for the Bills? I’m not looking for someone to take away from Josh game, just an exceptional option 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

In a hypothetical what if scenario the most dynamic player in the league is unavailable. What would plan B look like? Case Keenum? Would his abilities alone win games for the Bills? I’m not looking for someone to take away from Josh game, just an exceptional option 

Again I'm not saying I'll be angry if he's the pick

 

I'm just saying the value over the last 15 years isn't there in the first round

 

When there's high value at pass rusher, and cornerback, and offensive tackle

 

Outside of quarterback.. getting to the quarterback, protecting the quarterback, and defending the pass are premium

 

Hall is an A+ second round pick.. but as far as value Id called it a B in the first round

Edited April 10, 2022 by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Again I'm not saying I'll be angry if he's the pick

 

I'm just saying the value over the last 15 years isn't there in the first round

 

When there's high value at pass rusher, and cornerback, and offensive tackle

 

Outside of quarterback.. getting to the quarterback, protecting the quarterback, and defending the pass are premium

 

Hall is an A+ second round pick.. but as far as value Id called it a B in the first round

Add WR to that premium position group. 
 

 

[Putin]

No RB in the 1st round , there’s no need for 100 pages of discussion 

[Magnum Force]

19 hours ago, Putin said:

No RB in the 1st round , there’s no need for 100 pages of discussion 

After we draft one in the 1st Round can we resume the discussion?

[newcam2012]

On 4/9/2022 at 10:13 PM, ganesh said:

Disagree.   Josh Allen has the arm to get the ball to even average WRs as long as Davis, Diggs and Knox are on the field.  He even got a 100 yard game for McKenzie against the Patriots.   We really lack a home run hitter at RB....The presence of a Hall will bring more fear to this offense and it will truly be unstoppable.

How did that work out for the Chiefs with Edwards- Helaire? Just saying...

On 4/9/2022 at 10:53 PM, Buffalo716 said:

It's just about the lack of value of drafting running back in the first round

 

The smart GMs take them in the 2-4 rounds  

 

You got a 5th year option with a first round pick.. you want that on a high value position

 

 

Exactly why Beane won't take Hall at 25. 

[Milanos Milano]

Give me a Hallelujah! 

I’m just going to coin his nickname now lol. 
 

Breece Hallelujah

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

On 4/10/2022 at 5:16 PM, Putin said:

No RB in the 1st round , there’s no need for 100 pages of discussion 

Drafting a RB in the late first round is no different then drafting a RB with one of the first few picks of the second round. Idk why people freak out about drafting a RB in the first. We aren’t talking about drafting a RB within the top 10 here

[Just Joshin']

2 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Drafting a RB in the late first round is no different then drafting a RB with one of the first few picks of the second round. Idk why people freak out about drafting a RB in the first. We aren’t talking about drafting a RB within the top 10 here

Other than the 5th year option.  Better to franchise tag a 2nd round RB and use the 5th year option on a high value position like CB, OT or Edge.