Mango Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: My guess is the cap hit will be around $5 million. I would be very happy with that. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling it is for ~2x that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, MAJBobby said: Two year Deal with a Void Year Per Saffold. Dummy year to spread out the hit. Same as when we signed old man Sanders this time last year and his legs lasted until Halloween. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie's Bills Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The 2022 Emmanuel Sanders special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Dang...beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buffblue Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: We'll always be a passing team, but we all saw it last year. You have to at least threaten to run the ball. A more balanced attack only helps the passing game and takes the heat and pressure off Josh. Ok, I can get on board with this if that's what occurs. Can you imagine if the Bills morphed back into a run first team with Allen as qb, in part because they can't protect him? I imagine both you and I would be livid at that development. Running the ball is a luxury imo. The Rams just won the SB with literally every handoff getting stuffed in the backfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: And made his probowl at LG. Just leave him at LG and move Bates to RG. Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lol the Bills are already doing a press conference on this. No way they followed the rules. He was Released. Free to sign anytime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Saffold and Bates at guard fills holes and think improves the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, MAJBobby said: And made his probowl at LG. Just leave him at LG and move Bates to RG. Bates will likely compete for that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astb41 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lol the Bills are already doing a press conference on this. No way they followed the rules. i think it's because he was released and not a straight free agent. right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, astb41 said: i think it's because he was released and not a straight free agent. right? Oh right. I'm a dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lol the Bills are already doing a press conference on this. No way they followed the rules. No rules to follow. He was released and could sign at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Last year Allen had one of the highest passer ratings off play action, threw the most play action passes, and threw for the most yards off play action passes. That was with an almost non-existent running game for most of the year. Imagine what he would do wit a more consistent running game. I could be wrong, but I think the success on play action ticked upwards once the run game solidified at the end of the season - week 12 on, say; certainly weeks 15-17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mikie's Bills said: Safe to say we'll be running the ball more this season Yeah. Saffold seems an odd choice. We dump Williams because he’s making too much and he’s not a good fit for the zone scheme we’re moving to, but sign an OG that, if I’m not mistaken, fits gap/power and is a good run blocker, but not very good in pass pro. I haven’t seen the contract details yet, but an early signing usually doesn’t equate to “on the cheap”. Gonna wait for that though. Edited to add: I see that he was on McVay’s LA Rams team for two seasons. He was already on the roster when McVay got the job, but he would’ve played in a zone scheme under him so there is some film of it. Edited March 14, 2022 by BarleyNY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, BuffBills51 said: No rules to follow. He was released and could sign at any time. Yeah. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's the truth about FA. Everyone overpays for them. I disagree to an extent. Everyone overpays the first day (or couple days) of FA. After that, you can find good value. I thought that we overpaid for every prominent Carolina player we’ve poached. Star, butler, addison and Klein all got too much and weren’t worthy. Kroft a definite overpay. as was Murphy imo. John brown was both an overpay and a bargain. milano was good value. Mckenzie was good value, Poyer and Hyde were great value. Beasley was good value (imo). Feliciano and Spain were both initially signed to fair contracts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be wrong, but I think the success on play action ticked upwards once the run game solidified at the end of the season - week 12 on, say; certainly weeks 15-17 It certainly ticked upward as the running game became stronger toward the end of the year. However, even early in the year, Allen was very good off play action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, buffblue said: Ok, I can get on board with this if that's what occurs. Can you imagine if the Bills morphed back into a run first team with Allen as qb, in part because they can't protect him? I imagine both you and I would be livid at that development. Running the ball is a luxury imo. The Rams just won the SB with literally every handoff getting stuffed in the backfield. I think that's missing the point, which one of the commentators made IIRC - the Rams kept TRYING to run, so even though the Bengals were stuffing it, they still had to keep defending it - meaning they couldn't just focus their defensive attack on stopping the pass. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Unfortunately it’s not what you like… it’s what the market dictates… It’s also Whether or not the GM feels that player is worth the market price. There a Several great value contracts every year. Just usually not in the first couple days of FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Process said: So how we feeling about Dawkins-Saffold-Morse-Bates-Brown as the starting line next year? Seems solid and good enough. Though Brown was down right awful at times last year. Kromer should be able to coach him up. Need to add youth and depth in the draft. That looks better than last years starting week 1 line up. I still think we draft a guard in day 1 or 2 to compete with Bates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 So how we feeling about Dawkins-Saffold-Morse-Bates-Brown as the starting line next year? Seems solid and good enough. Though Brown was down right awful at times last year. Kromer should be able to coach him up. Need to add youth and depth in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 played for Kromer for 2 years in LA when McVay first was hired. Perfect fit for an athletic blocking scheme. I'm guessing he can play either G position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: It certainly ticked upward as the running game became stronger toward the end of the year. However, even early in the year, Allen was very good off play action I don't have game-by-game stats or know where to find them, but IIRC one point several guys who follow the team were making is that Allen's strong ball skills working from under center were being under-utilized because we were mostly in shotgun, and not running enough from shotgun to sell play action there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: milano was good value. As a 5th round draft pick, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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without a drought Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Old football cliches don't win games in today's NFL, it's pretty much passing and stopping the pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, aristocrat said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SaffRo20.htm Best ability availability. Has played in at least 15 games since 2016 That and his career penalties are pretty low as well. Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Holding False Start Decl/Offs All Pen. 2010 22 STL LT 76 16 16 2 6 1 8 2011 23 STL LT 76 9 9 3 6 1 9 2012 24 STL LT 76 10 10 2 3 1 7 2013 25 STL RG 76 12 9 0 2 0 2 2014 26 STL LG 76 16 16 0 2 1 2 2015 27 STL RG 76 5 5 0 2 0 2 2016 28 LAR LG 76 15 15 0 3 1 3 2017 29 LAR LG 76 15 15 0 1 0 2 2018 30 LAR LG 76 16 16 1 4 1 7 2019 31 TEN LG 76 16 16 0 1 0 3 2020 32 TEN LG 76 15 15 1 2 0 3 2021 33 TEN LG 76 15 15 2 2 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Process said: So how we feeling about Dawkins-Saffold-Morse-Bates-Brown as the starting line next year? Seems solid and good enough. Though Brown was down right awful at times last year. Kromer should be able to coach him up. Need to add youth and depth in the draft. I like it, Coach up Tommy D for next year and get a vet in here with flexibility for injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, BrooklynBills said: played for Kromer for 2 years in LA when McVay first was hired. Perfect fit for an athletic blocking scheme. I'm guessing he can play either G position Oh, is that the connection? Typically an OL coach likes to bring in a couple of vets who can help teach his techniques, I was wondering who it would be. Saffold sure as hell beats out Vlad Ducasse and Jon Feliciano (the last two OL coach additions) He's played both positions but the fact that he's overwhelmingly played on the L side for years may speak to preference/effectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Maybe saffold helped with the other girl on valentine's day. 🤣 #EskimoBros Edited March 14, 2022 by The Wiz 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think that's missing the point, which one of the commentators made IIRC - the Rams kept TRYING to run, so even though the Bengals were stuffing it, they still had to keep defending it - meaning they couldn't just focus their defensive attack on stopping the pass. Not against maintaining some balance and keeping teams honest. I just question how much emphasis needs to be put on the run game when you have arguably the best player in the game at qb. As someone else mentioned in this thread, I would prefer the line to be better pass blockers than run blockers if it can only be one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: I like it, Coach up Tommy D for next year and get a vet in here with flexibility for injuries. Draft. A. C/G. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Yeah. Saffold seems an odd choice. We dump Williams because he’s making too much and he’s not a good fit for the zone scheme we’re moving to, but sign an OG that, if I’m not mistaken, fits gap/power and is a good run blocker, but not very good in pass pro. I haven’t seen the contract details yet, but an early signing usually doesn’t equate to “on the cheap”. Gonna wait for that though. How much we pay him is going to answer the million dollar question of if old vets will sign here to chase a championship. I like the signing. Guys an absolute beast, played well last year, can tutor draft pick, doesn't hurt comp pick, will make it so Josh can do an actual realistic play-action, and already knows his 2nd year is a void year. 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Yeah. Saffold seems an odd choice. We dump Williams because he’s making too much and he’s not a good fit for the zone scheme we’re moving to, but sign an OG that, if I’m not mistaken, fits gap/power and is a good run blocker, but not very good in pass pro. I haven’t seen the contract details yet, but an early signing usually doesn’t equate to “on the cheap”. Gonna wait for that though. How much we pay him is going to answer the million dollar question of if old vets will sign here to chase a championship. I like the signing. Guys an absolute beast, played well last year, can tutor draft pick, doesn't hurt comp pick, will make it so Josh can do an actual realistic play-action, and already knows his 2nd year is a void year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 LFG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Draft. A. C/G. I dont get the obsession on this board with Doyle and OTs either. Dawkins and Brown are set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) Edited March 14, 2022 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The way Beane thinks Saffold day one starter but as year unfolds and a young guy (draft pick) emerges Saffold then quality depth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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