BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. 8 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. we ran a lot of 3-4 WR sets last season. Doubt that changes. Beasley and Sanders gone so we do need WRs 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, nucci said: we ran a lot of 3-4 WR sets last season. Doubt that changes. Beasley and Sanders gone so we do need WRs I agree but don’t see up spending a huge amount. Berrios from the Jets comes to mind as an option for the slot. Edited March 10, 2022 by BuffBills51 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. Break it down by targets. With Beasley, Sanders, and Mckenzie gone that opens up 210 targets if we use last year. Let's say Davis is WR2 and eats up 50 of those remaining targets. That puts him around 115 targets next year. Knox could eat up another 25 targets putting him around 100 targets next season. That still leaves 135 targets! You see my point. We're a passing offense. We have a lot of targets to go around. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Break it down by targets. With Beasley, Sanders, and Mckenzie gone that opens up 210 targets if we use last year. Let's say Davis is WR2 and eats up 50 of those remaining targets. That puts him around 115 targets next year. Knox could eat up another 25 targets putting him around 100 targets next season. That still leaves 135 targets! You see my point. We're a passing offense. We have a lot of targets to go around. I think Davis is a 70-80 catch guy opposite of Diggs. I think the Bills will pick up a decent slot guy in the off-season. As I said Berrios comes to mind and Crowder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, BuffBills51 said: I think Davis is a 70-80 catch guy opposite of Diggs. I think the Bills will pick up a decent slot guy in the off-season. As I said Berrios comes to mind and Crowder. Yes to berrios all day. He's going to actually get a Beasley like contract I believe, so not cheap. People will be surprised. I would do it based on what I think he'd be for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Kirk is so much better than Berrios. It isn’t even close. 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Kirk is so much better than Berrios. It isn’t even close. Kirk is going to get a bit more. He's played in a better offense. I like Kirk also. I could see Kirk around 4 years $50 million. Berrios 4 years $32 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Kirk is going to get a bit more. He's played in a better offense. I like Kirk also. I could see Kirk around 4 years $50 million. Berrios 4 years $32 million. I just don’t think Berrios adds the electricity to the offense Kirk would. I’d much rather have Kirk for slightly more. Maybe Berrios come with CMC and the Culpo sisters. That would be cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I've had high hopes for Davis since coming off his rookie year. The Chiefs game really cemented those feelings. Guy has every tool to be a DOMINANT receiver and I fully expect him to take the next step this season. He should've started over Sanders from the very beginning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: I just don’t think Berrios adds the electricity to the offense Kirk would. I’d much rather have Kirk for slightly more. Maybe Berrios come with CMC and the Culpo sisters. That would be cool. Berrios is electric. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: I just don’t think Berrios adds the electricity to the offense Kirk would. I’d much rather have Kirk for slightly more. Maybe Berrios come with CMC and the Culpo sisters. That would be cool. What is this obsession w/ Berrios? Dudes never even had a 500 yard season. Yeah yeah Jets and all, but come on. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Break it down by targets. With Beasley, Sanders, and Mckenzie gone that opens up 210 targets if we use last year. Let's say Davis is WR2 and eats up 50 of those remaining targets. That puts him around 115 targets next year. Knox could eat up another 25 targets putting him around 100 targets next season. That still leaves 135 targets! You see my point. We're a passing offense. We have a lot of targets to go around. Gronk, resign McKenzie, draft a WR in round 3 or 4; problem solved 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, Turbo44 said: Gronk, resign McKenzie, draft a WR in round 3 or 4; problem solved Exactly. I just don’t see the Bills spending 12-15 million a year on another receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Gabe Davis? I’ve heard of him…… We will be losing some important guys from the WR room this year. They need to be replaced with younger and hopefully cheaper options. We have Gabe Davis, one of the steals of that draft. Now we need more just like that, and probably a vet like John Brown, Beasley or Sanders. I think a better way to say it is we HAVE our #2 WR already. And they need more. . Edited March 10, 2022 by Augie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: What is this obsession w/ Berrios? Dudes never even had a 500 yard season. Yeah yeah Jets and all, but come on. its ridiculous. ppl think bc hes small and white that hes the next welker/edelman/beasley. hell hes not even on brandon stokleys level. he stinks. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said: its ridiculous. ppl think bc hes small and white that hes the next welker/edelman/beasley. hell hes not even on brandon stokleys level. he stinks. We'll circle back on this one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: We'll circle back on this one. good for u jen 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. If he's our #2 then we need a #3. I mean, who's our #3 assuming Sanders is gone? Kumerow if we bring him back? Hodgins? Marquez Stevenson? You don't want those guys seeing more than a very few snaps unless one of them makes a huge leap, and you can't count on that. No way to be sure either way but a WR pickup spending roughly Sanders money in FA or highish in the draft (on top of some move to bring in a slot guy) is very likely. These rumors aren't denigrating Davis. He is doing a great job and is indeed improving a lot. It won't matter who is the #2 or #3. Davis looks to be a very good one. Edited March 10, 2022 by Thurman#1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, GETTOTHE50 said: good for u jen I mean if people just post stats yeah, he's nothing. He doesn't have the targets. He's kind of worked his up to the targets he gets. There's been other WR ahead of him, Crowder and then they drafted Moore. He's one of the best return men in the NFL. He's still growing as a WR. I would 100% sign Mckenzie 1st because he'll be cheaper and they do the same thing. But I think Berrios is going to be a top slot WR for some team next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I hate this thread so much.. Mahomes gets heavy investment in his OL, a 1st round RB, Kelce, Hill, Hardman… constant reinforcements.. Josh Allen: “May I have a crumb, sir…” 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Berrios is electric. As a return guy I suppose. I don’t see it with him. 20 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: What is this obsession w/ Berrios? Dudes never even had a 500 yard season. Yeah yeah Jets and all, but come on. Yep I agree. Kirk is the guy who fits the best imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) We're losing 4 of our 7 WR's from the 53 man roster last season. Whether it's a WR who is to be 2nd or 3rd in reps, a big time WR needs to be added in FA, Trade, or the Draft. And we'll still need at least a couple more to fill out the roster. Edited March 10, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma Pecoraro Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Some dumb sh!te right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. In addition to adding a slot guy, they really need to have a guy with top end speed to take the top off the defense. Neither Diggs nor Davis are that kind of downfield threat. There are several fast WR's in the draft that should be available on day two of the draft. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, nucci said: we ran a lot of 3-4 WR sets last season. Doubt that changes. Beasley and Sanders gone so we do need WRs Call Gabe "#2" or whatever... It doesn't matter. As Nucci says (more or less), the Bills need four good wideouts to stretch opposing defenses beyond their capabilities. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. Agree, but a very good slot guy I'd assume they'd be looking for, easier said than done with limited $$. But do agree with you they don't need a #2. Another response posted listed the number of missing targets that needs to be replaced, believe it was around 125. Add a good slot replacement, that number is reduced by around 70 so now need another 50. Get a good 2nd TE or another WR and you're back even. Also wanted to comment on the Berrios posts, isn't he also a return guy? Maybe he's viewed as the #4 WR and return man, fills two roles. Nothing too bad with only 500 yards as WR then if also returning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) “Number one” or “number two” receiver are outdated concepts. The Bills run the most 10 and 11 personnel in the league. They have 3-4 receivers on the field A TON. Sanders, McKenzie, and Beasley may all be gone. Past Diggs and Davis, the Bills have nothing but unproven late round fliers in Stevenson and Hodgins. The Bills absolutely, positively need at least two new receivers. They need talented, viable, speedy pass catchers. They need to keep the offense viable, diverse, and dangerous. They need to keep pace with weapon-rich Kansas City. THE BILLS. NEED. RECEIVERS. It’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. Edited March 10, 2022 by Logic 6 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I agree, they don’t need a #2, they need a physical #1B. Diggs is a great possession receiver, but he’s not physically take anybody out. It makes it a lot harder to win in the red zone with that. Get the guy with size that can cause a problem all the way down the field. I think Davis is coming on, but if he is good enough to compete for the job, you have a great problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Logic said: “Number one” or “number two” receiver are outdated concepts. The Bills run the most 10 and 11 personnel in the league. They have 3-4 receivers on the field A TON. Sanders, McKenzie, and Beasley may all be gone. Past Diggs and Davis, the Bills have nothing but unproven late round fliers in Stevenson and Hodgins. The Bills absolutely, positively need at least two new receivers. They need talented, viable, speedy pass catchers. They need to keep the offense viable, diverse, and dangerous. They need to keep pace with weapon-rich Kansas City. THE BILLS. NEED. RECEIVERS. It’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. Like Beane said, personnel groupings were based on talent. If they sign Gronk then expect more 12 personnel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 47 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Call Gabe "#2" or whatever... It doesn't matter. As Nucci says (more or less), the Bills need four good wideouts to stretch opposing defenses beyond their capabilities. I’ll even go to 4 good pass catchers and roll in Knox. they need 1 more matchup problem. Gronk or Kirk are great options. if gronk, I’d be aiming at another speed guy at wr that’s either day two pick or McKenzie type. Developmental but able to contribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, nucci said: we ran a lot of 3-4 WR sets last season. Doubt that changes. Beasley and Sanders gone so we do need WRs These are the same guys saying we don't need any trades at the deadline. I love Davis and he played great against KC but that was after KC lost their best DB and then started doubling Diggs. Davis is good but he also had games where he could not create separation , so yes we do need another top receiver or a 2d/3rd guy who can stretch the defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Seeing the McKenzie interview hes goooooone. Especially after the season he had in his head. He thinks he's gunna out together a season of NE games, and is going to want to br paid as such. Not only are we not going to pay him, but we've shown very little in terms of wanting to play him. He wants no part of this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: What is this obsession w/ Berrios? Dudes never even had a 500 yard season. Yeah yeah Jets and all, but come on. He's a younger version of Cole Beasley and a little quicker (ran a 4.44 second 40 yard dash). Reliable slot target who can find spots in a zone and convert 3rd downs for you. Also, can be our answer as a returner. I just wish his price tag was lower because he'd be a great signing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I think whoever they pick up for that slot position is gonna have a huge year because of the guy throwing to him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He's a younger version of Cole Beasley and a little quicker (ran a 4.44 second 40 yard dash). Reliable slot target who can find spots in a zone and convert 3rd downs for you. Also, can be our answer as a returner. I just wish his price tag was lower because he'd be a great signing. Berrios had an almost identical first 3 seasons as Beasley. The difference being, Bease had Dak throwing to him while Berrios had Darnold, what his name and what's his name throwing to him. Berrios could be a 60 plus reception guys, take over the jet sweep McKenzie role and end our nightmare returner situation. Hopefully for a minimal price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I think most of us feel this way about Davis, but in today's NFL you can never have enough WRs and if I'm not mistaken in terms of last year's roster we only have 3 under contract, one of whom was a rookie last year who hasn't demonstrated he belongs on the field and it's pretty clear we're trading or cutting another one. We need to draft/sign multiple viable Wide Receivers... period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Berrios had an almost identical first 3 seasons as Beasley. The difference being, Bease had Dak throwing to him while Berrios had Darnold, what his name and what's his name throwing to him. Berrios could be a 60 plus reception guys, take over the jet sweep McKenzie role and end our nightmare returner situation. Hopefully for a minimal price. Romo was throwing to Beasley his first three years but it's a fair comparison. I think he's good enough where with the right QB he could have a Wes Welker type career. Or he could re-sign with the Jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Even if we don’t need a WR2, we still need a WR3 who will play a ton of snaps. I want a TB/Cincy-level WR trio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, nucci said: we ran a lot of 3-4 WR sets last season. Doubt that changes. Beasley and Sanders gone so we do need WRs Hope the Bills can get something for Beasley. McKenzie could be retained to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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