Captain Hindsight Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 in 13 games last year he averaged 65 total yards per game. This is replacement level RB output. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarkSa00/gamelog/2021/ Devin Singletary averaged 64 yards per game https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SingDe00/gamelog/2021/ Where is the upgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, DrPJax said: I don’t care what dr examines him, there is not one infallible orthopedist in the world who can predict the future , the affect on the other knee, and can guarantee it won’t tear again or that he regains his power, speed , confidence. See OBJ ! It’s a gamble n a guy who has a rough health history in the NFL. Willis mcgahee was another wasted pride pick by Donahue in addition. Get a back from a PS , free agents , street FA try outs , and see what happens in Zacs 3 rd year where there is precedent ( see motor) for it finally clicking. It’s like taking on mccaffery , he can’t finish 16 , let alone 17 games plus playoffs , so why take on someone’s JJ WATT? Guys with injury histories are huge risks. Rb is a young man’s position , shore up that o line , quit running blocking schemes we are poor at , keep bringing in young talent. If we can do that on DL and not hesitate because we missed , rb is no different and just as valuable. We need talent at bargain base prices now , not throw millions and have a guy play 8 or less games. Scouts need to look for durability and some minor upgrade in speed and a guy who can get yac with screens. It's definitely a risk. But some guys are worth it. How much does Derrick Henry help the Titans? You'll never get that with a street FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 20 hours ago, Malazan said: He's too expensive. He'd be somebody I'd basically be hoping was healthy come playoff time because he's not gonna make it a full season. Given his salary and the Bills cap situation, I'm not giving up much of an asset, if any. Another Sammy watkins type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: in 13 games last year he averaged 65 total yards per game. This is replacement level RB output. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarkSa00/gamelog/2021/ Devin Singletary averaged 64 yards per game https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SingDe00/gamelog/2021/ Where is the upgrade? Stop stat watching and instead watch the players. Barkley is elite. Devin is barely a starter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just now, DJB said: Stop stat watching and instead watch the players. Barkley is elite. Devin is barely a starter Elite players produce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 20 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Pass. I wasn’t 100% on board one way or the other BUT you tipped the scale for me !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, DJB said: Stop stat watching and instead watch the players. Barkley is was elite. Devin is barely a starter Fixed! Barkley in 2021, 13 games 162 rushes, 593 yards, averaged 3.7 yards per carry. Stop remembering the guy we saw in 2018-2019. BTW, his teammate Booker had a 4.1 YPC AVG last season. While Barkley was 38th in yards. Motor was 16th... on a pass first team with a 4.6 YPC AVG. Talk about watching something...go back and watch the last few games of the Buffalo Bills last season when the OC actually started using the RB's to... you know, run the ball. Against Atlanta, 23 rushes for 110 yards, 2 rush TDs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 The OP didn't have my choice - Do not pay any RB $7M. I think you wait it out and get one of the disgruntled, angry, passed over vets, with something to prove. Get one on a reduced one year deal. We don't know who that is yet. IMO, this $7M we speak of for offensive improvement should be spent with a different allocation. An OL improvement should be in there. Then I'd like another TE, Gronk seems to be the best case scenario for that. Then there is the Beas situation, either renegotiate or get another slot. Plus draft picks can be used for grooming for the future positions in WR, OL, TE, and RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 31 minutes ago, DJB said: Stop stat watching and instead watch the players. Barkley is elite. Devin is barely a starter He was elite in 2018........the first year of his contract. He was Devin Singletary 2021 level in 2019. He's been garbage in 2020-2021. So year 5 of his contract he's returning to 2018 level of play? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Fixed! Barkley in 2021, 13 games 162 rushes, 593 yards, averaged 3.7 yards per carry. Stop remembering the guy we saw in 2018-2019. BTW, his teammate Booker had a 4.1 YPC AVG last season. While Barkley was 38th in yards. Motor was 16th... on a pass first team with a 4.6 YPC AVG. Talk about watching something...go back and watch the last few games of the Buffalo Bills last season when the OC actually started using the RB's to... you know, run the ball. Against Atlanta, 23 rushes for 110 yards, 2 rush TDs. Ill give you that he is not as explosive as he once was but the dude is still a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 22 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said: In this offense? Comeback Player of the Year potential. He has been playing with a bottom 3 OL last 2 years. Absolute dog sh-t. Has the entire skillset and knows he has yet to prove out. He is a "process" player....peak condition,professional, smart, driven. Whatever the cost turns out to be [within reason] , he will be worth it. And you think Barkley is gonna perform significantly better under THIS offensive line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 I voted no trade, primarily because I see a Marcel Dareus situation if you want him to be the RB. You'll get one great year out of him to get that contract and then the production will fall precipitously. Besides the major injury concerns, I think those injuries have mentally got to him, which is 100% understandable. If you pay him, you pay him as a receiver from the backfield with a lot less RB runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 22 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said: In this offense? Comeback Player of the Year potential. He has been playing with a bottom 3 OL last 2 years. Absolute dog sh-t. Has the entire skillset and knows he has yet to prove out. He is a "process" player....peak condition,professional, smart, driven. Whatever the cost turns out to be [within reason] , he will be worth it. Absolutely, Bark would be lethal with the Bills. I would give up a 3rd and Singletary for him any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: in 13 games last year he averaged 65 total yards per game. This is replacement level RB output. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarkSa00/gamelog/2021/ Devin Singletary averaged 64 yards per game https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SingDe00/gamelog/2021/ Where is the upgrade? We have a better o-line, and a substantially better passing game and QB that defenses have to respect. Run yards should be easy to come by in our offense given the level of attention our passing offense gets. An explosive RB like Barkley adds a new dynamic and IMO takes our offense to another level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: Correct. If you gave up a 3rd to get him you might get a 3rd round compensatory pick back if he played well this year and signed a large contract elsewhere. And even if he’s just good, he will almost certainly get a qualifying contract to help our equation. send a 4 and get a 5-6 back after isn’t terrible. trading for expiring contracts isn’t a terrible way to stock the shelves short term. the board loves avoiding compensation but Signing a guy that counts against the calculation is not that different despite the board generally viewing it as much better Edited March 2, 2022 by NoSaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 3d or 4th rd pick is fine. Also i have no idea where people continually say giving a RB big money is an issue. Just do it smartly, don't go long term. High money, short term is absolutely fine. The top 10 paid RBs are all worth it, outside of Zeke. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/ 5 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: Correct. If you gave up a 3rd to get him you might get a 3rd round compensatory pick back if he played well this year and signed a large contract elsewhere. ive never seen a fan base worry as much about comp picks as this one does. Sign good players, get good players, released bad players, comp picks be damned. Id give up Bills receiving comp picks for eternity if it meant the bills win a superbowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Elite players produce Using revisionist history, Steve Young didn’t produce much in Tampa Bay 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Elite players produce OBJ Agrees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Using revisionist history, Steve Young didn’t produce much in Tampa Bay 🤔 Oh please, your going to pull out the example of a hall of fame QB 30 years ago? Plenty of high draft picks don't live up to the hype. For 7.2 million, a RB had better be a game changer. Someone you try to stop on every down and he still gets his yards and TDs. Barkley hasn't been that player since his rookie year. He had 7 100 yards games in 2018 and 5 since then. Yes hes on a bad team, but he hasn't done nearly enough to be a game changing back. If we were getting the 2018 version, sure sign me up, but this is 2022 and for 7.2 million on a team already against the cap this makes no sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 24 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: 3d or 4th rd pick is fine. Also i have no idea where people continually say giving a RB big money is an issue. Just do it smartly, don't go long term. High money, short term is absolutely fine. The top 10 paid RBs are all worth it, outside of Zeke. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/ ive never seen a fan base worry as much about comp picks as this one does. Sign good players, get good players, released bad players, comp picks be damned. Id give up Bills receiving comp picks for eternity if it meant the bills win a superbowl I would totally disagree with this. 6 of the 10 top paid RBs we’re on teams that missed the playoffs. So they certainly didn’t make their teams significantly better. Also multiple players in that Top 10 are not even their teams best backs by the end of the season. I would argue Dillion supplanted Jones, Hines in Indy is definitely not the starter, Elliot was outplayed in Dallas - making those guys not worth the money. Several of those top backs also missed significant playing time on the season - even the “Elite” RBs like Henry or Jones on teams that made the playoffs - the teams saw little drop off when their overpriced RBs went down and the low cost back-ups came in. A guy like Henry went out in week 8 and after that the Titans had 2 200 yard rushing days and a 198 yard day with no names. The team averaged 147 with Henry and 144 without Henry. He is an Elite back, but what it tells me is the O-line is key to them. Another guy on the list - Aaron Jones was basically moved down to back-up when a cheaper AJ Dillion started to out play him. The guys on the list are great and deserve to be paid, but I am not sure any of them are worth the contract. The Super Bowl was won by the combined running of a cast off Sony Michel and Henderson. Last year a low cost, cut Fournette was the SB RB. The year before in KC - the main RB in the SB another no name player - Williams as guys like McCoy got hurt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: in 13 games last year he averaged 65 total yards per game. This is replacement level RB output. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarkSa00/gamelog/2021/ Devin Singletary averaged 64 yards per game https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SingDe00/gamelog/2021/ Where is the upgrade? Well, you do realize there is a massive difference in rushing in a Daniel Jones led offense with the worst OL in football and running in a top 3 offense led by Josh Allen right? This is not an equal comparison. For example: Priest Holmes was a meh back for the Ravens, but he became other worldly the second he stepped onto the field as a Kansas City Chief. So no disrespect bud, but this isn't a good argument here just because it's not remotely close to equal situations for both running backs. Edited March 2, 2022 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: Oh please, your going to pull out the example of a hall of fame QB 30 years ago? Plenty of high draft picks don't live up to the hype. For 7.2 million, a RB had better be a game changer. Someone you try to stop on every down and he still gets his yards and TDs. Barkley hasn't been that player since his rookie year. He had 7 100 yards games in 2018 and 5 since then. Yes hes on a bad team, but he hasn't done nearly enough to be a game changing back. If we were getting the 2018 version, sure sign me up, but this is 2022 and for 7.2 million on a team already against the cap this makes no sense Sometimes it takes a change of scenery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 It was highly rumored that the Bills were going to draft Najee Harris with their first pick in last years draft. The Steelers beat them to it and got him at #24 and Buffalo didn't pick till #30. I was saying why? The Bills have Motor and Moss. They don't need a RB. Now, I've watched Harris with Pitt this past season and good lord he would have been a great add to the Buffalo offense! That is... provided... of course that the OC actually called more run plays. Then you have to think... do the Bills really want to hand off 300 times? I'm thinking no! Devin Singletary will do the job needed in this offense. Build a better offensive line to protect the QB and do a better job at run blocking. Singletary was 19th in yards before contact. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/rushing_advanced.htm Look who was #1, #2, #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Reluctantly voted 4th. I really think he's close to being done. Another injury plagued year. Hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I would trade Filthy Beast and Scott Law straight up 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 2:54 PM, dneveu said: Yeah - 7.2 million dollars is a lot for any running back, let alone one who hasn't been particularly good since his rookie year. Trading Star saves Buffalo a little bit more than cutting him would because of the 2022 salary guarantee and helps it fit. And he's probably not signing an extension either so its a 1 yr 7.2 mil deal that to me doesn't put buffalo any closer to getting over the hump. Post june 1 trade. Saves most of the money with little dead cap with star. Restructure Barkley. In a role like Singletary had. Maybe a little less, I think he will blossom. Dont need a workhorse. Barkley in open space will look like the guy at Penn St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: Post june 1 trade. Saves most of the money with little dead cap with star. Restructure Barkley. In a role like Singletary had. Maybe a little less, I think he will blossom. Dont need a workhorse. Barkley in open space will look like the guy at Penn St. Why would he re-structure? He gets 7 guaranteed no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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