Derek Carr in line for $40 million per year extension

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Carr much better than other two imo.  
 

Put Carr on a good team and he will eat.  

 

He's on a relatively good team now.  He has an elite tight end, a very good running back and Renfrow is one of the best slot guys in the league.

 

Derek Carr is what he is at this point, which is a slightly above average QB.  I don’t see him ever leading a team to the Super Bowl, but stranger things have happened.

 

This is one of those nightmarish scenarios where the QB is just good enough to keep a franchise from looking to upgrade when they absolutely should be.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Hapless Bills Fan]

58 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Carr much better than other two imo.  
 

Put Carr on a good team and he will eat.  

 

Carr is a strange dude.  He can have games where he looks all-world and games where he looks pedestrian.  I think it's possible he could shine under the right coach and system.

 

It'll be interesting to see how much Josh McDaniel learned from his HC gig with the Broncos.  He's the one that shipped Cutler to Chicago after a pro-bowl season where he passed for 4500 yds, in favor of Kyle Orton then drafting Tim Tebow

 

And, as OC of the Lambs, he turned a QB who looked serviceable as a rookie under Pat Shurmur as OC, into an indecisive fright.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 

For an NFL team being watchable doesnt mean jack. Winning a superbowl is the goal.

 

 

The teams are all part owners of the league. The league being watchable absolutley matters. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Better to set the market price now then pay market price later.  

 

Tre white was the same way - got it done before Humphrey and Ramsey.  Closer in AAV to Byron Jones and Darius Slay FA contracts.  If you waited there you might have a contract closer to Humphreys.  Not a crazy amount of cap space - 2.3M in AAV.  But over 4 years we're talking like 10M dollars.  

 

The Dawkins deal was a great move as well.  14.5 M for 4 years signed in 2020 (keeping him through 2025).  Brian O'neill 1 year later got 18.5, and that's largely due to the new ceiling set by Williams and Bakhtiari (to a lesser extent Tunsil because O'briens gonna O'brien). 

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

I am not so sure the Ravens want to start over at QB though. They probably think they can challenge the Bengals for the North. I think the decision to pay LJ is a tough one. If I am the Browns I don't pay Mayfield. Unless they draft someone I could see the Steelers trying to get Jimmy G from the 49ers. Lance is the future there anyway. I am sure Pitt will kick the tires on Wilson/Rodgers but if that doesn't happen I could see Jimmy G as a realistic option.

I'm hearing more & more reports that the 49's aren't convinced that Lance is the guy and they may not let Jimmy G go.  It's one thing to speculate on how good your shiny new toy is when Jimmy G throws an INT in a playoff game. It's quite another to walk away from the solid QB that helped get you to the NFC championship game for a 2nd year guy that hasn't exactly impressed.  The 49's are in a real bind IMO.

 

 

 

 

[HOUSE]

The Raiders need a 24 hour escape clause. This could be an intoxicated owner.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm hearing more & more reports that the 49's aren't convinced that Lance is the guy and they may not let Jimmy G go.  It's one thing to speculate on how good your shiny new toy is when Jimmy G throws an INT in a playoff game. It's quite another to walk away from the solid QB that helped get you to the NFC championship game for a 2nd year guy that hasn't exactly impressed.  The 49's are in a real bind IMO.

 

 

I'd be stunned if Jimmy is a 49er next year. He will be a starting QB. No question. But I strongly suspect it isn't in San Fran.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm hearing more & more reports that the 49's aren't convinced that Lance is the guy and they may not let Jimmy G go.  It's one thing to speculate on how good your shiny new toy is when Jimmy G throws an INT in a playoff game. It's quite another to walk away from the solid QB that helped get you to the NFC championship game for a 2nd year guy that hasn't exactly impressed.  The 49's are in a real bind IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

They traded so much to get that guy.  I didn't even realize he barely played in 2020 either.  So he was sort of in a rousseau situation, at QB though.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But the market keeps going up. So yes for the first 2 years of the deal it makes building a really good team around him hard. Then after that the cap has gone up enough to give you leeway. It is no coincidence that the Raiders make the playoffs again at the backend of his last contract. Because he was a bargain this year and will be next year if he plays on yhe old deal. 

 

You pay Derek Carr. All day. Every day. 

There are certainly some teams that I could see him being worth paying that much to. The Raiders just aren't one of them. 

 

Due to the rather...odd choices of draft picks by Gruden and Mayock (and the poor choices some of those picks made off the field) it's left then with not much talent, not many solid players on rookie deals that can help absorb that amount for just "good" QB play. They just have too much to make up for where paying Carr that much is tough to justify.

 

Now, would he be worth that much to a team like the Colts? Absolutely. They are really just a good QB from deep playoff runs IMO.

 

In my opinion, the best value for Carr to the Raiders would be the draft picks he could yeild in return. However, McDaniels seems to like him so he'll get paid for sure.

[The Avenger]

43 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

😄

 

Even for like a few months

Rob Johnson had a few good months in Jacksonville...

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd be stunned if Jimmy is a 49er next year. He will be a starting QB. No question. But I strongly suspect it isn't in San Fran.

I don't disagree but on Cowherd the other day two different "experts" noted the bind the 49's are in.  Evidently Lance did not impress in games or in practice this season. Maybe he's just a Mahomes waiting to be unleashed.  But it wouldn't shock me if the 49's traded Lance. There are some desperate teams out there looking for their guy at QB.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

There are certainly some teams that I could see him being worth paying that much to. The Raiders just aren't one of them. 

 

Due to the rather...odd choices of draft picks by Gruden and Mayock (and the poor choices some of those picks made off the field) it's left then with not much talent, not many solid players on rookie deals that can help absorb that amount for just "good" QB play. They just have too much to make up for where paying Carr that much is tough to justify.

 

Now, would he be worth that much to a team like the Colts? Absolutely. They are really just a good QB from deep playoff runs IMO.

 

In my opinion, the best value for Carr to the Raiders would be the draft picks he could yeild in return. However, McDaniels seems to like him so he'll get paid for sure.

 

If Carr was 35 I would agree. But Carr has at least 6 or 7 years of good play left in him. That is enough time for Vegas to still rebuild around him. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, The Avenger said:

Rob Johnson had a few good months in Jacksonville...

 

Ah Rob Johnson..... was sack rate not a stat coaches looked at back then?  

[uticaclub]

"The sense is that no proposals have been exchanged yet on an extension,"
 

no one is paying Derek Carr $40M/year

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I don't disagree but on Cowherd the other day two different "experts" noted the bind the 49's are in.  Evidently Lance did not impress in games or in practice this season. Maybe he's just a Mahomes waiting to be unleashed.  But it wouldn't shock me if the 49's traded Lance. There are some desperate teams out there looking for their guy at QB.

 

 

 

They knew Lance was raw when they drafted him. I think the 9ers would have been in more of a bind had they missed the playoffs this year. Cos then Kyle would be one playoff run in 5 years and potentially in a position where 2022 is a hotseat year. The run this year buys them time IMO. If they go 6-11 with Lance next year Kyle still gets 2023 now. 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Does that include CoverGirl endorsement money?

 

Maybe.

 

Maybe it's Maybelline? 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, uticaclub said:

"The sense is that no proposals have been exchanged yet on an extension,"
 

no one is paying Derek Carr $40M/year

 

He re-set the market at $25m 5 years ago. Slotting him in as the 4th or 5th spot in the current market now is not as outrageous as the big number sounds given that the market is broken.

[ROCBillsBeliever]

Man's gotta pay for his eyeliner, somehow, right? I hear that stuff's pricey 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

46 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Plywood is $80 per sheet

 

Still? Goddam I want to build a ramp

[Ramza86]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The teams are all part owners of the league. The league being watchable absolutley matters. 

 

So hypothetically....the Bills should be ok with Tyrod for the rest of his career because it keeps the league competitive and makes them money.

 

Sorry man, i just dont agree with keeping a mid tier QB around. 

 

How many years did Dalton throw away for the Bengals? Tannehill? These arent superbowl winning QBs. These teams needed to move on from them years before they did.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 

So hypothetically....the Bills should be ok with Tyrod for the rest of his career because it keeps the league competitive and makes them money.

 

Sorry man, i just dont agree with keeping a mid tier QB around. 

 

How many years did Dalton throw away for the Bengals? Tannehill? These arent superbowl winning QBs. These teams needed to move on from them years before they did.

 

Carr is way, way better than Tyrod. It isn't even close. He is a tier above Dalton too. Carr is a borderline top 10 guy. I have him 10th or 11th in the league. 

 

[nbbillsfan]

When it comes to the NFL you either want to have an Elite QB and pay them whatever you have to or no QB at all. Paying the second teir guys like Carr, Baker, Cousins ect 80-90% of elite QB money is a death move.

[Mango]

32 minutes ago, wjag said:

The salary price escalation in pro sports is insane.  

 

Meh. It is more than salary, and they are more than employees. They are the product. 

Sometimes I think that guys get paid too much to throw, catch, tackle, not get tackled etc. Which I guess is true to an extent. But then I remember I am wrong and it is overly simplistic. They aren't the same as the people who build the Lenovo I am typing on. They are the ThinkPad. 

 

In terms of total revenue to the NFL I would get behind the players asking for an even bigger piece of the pie and a bigger salary cap. That said, I could also be convinced to also have max contracts in that world, and use the increased salary cap on larger rosters, higher vet minimums, and health care/pensions for anybody who played in the NFL. 

[julian]

32 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Thank God we have Josh Allen.  When you have Allen, Mahones, Rogers, Burrow or Herbert, you pay them, plain and simple.  When you have Mayfield, you don't.  It's the tweeners that drive you crazy - Prescott, Carr.  Can't live with them, can't live without them.  Thank goodness we're not in that boat.

I’m not putting Burrow or Hurbert in the group yet… I just watched Allen match Burrow’s 5 Playoff TDs in 4 games… Allen did it in one… not sure what people are seeing in Burrow other than he was supposed to be great at #1 overall

[uticaclub]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He re-set the market at $25m 5 years ago. Slotting him in as the 4th or 5th spot in the current market now is not as outrageous as the big number sounds given that the market is broken.

He had a lot more upside 5 years ago

[ALLEN1QB]

Sorry but no way in hell do I give Carr that much. 

[Ramza86]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Carr is way, way better than Tyrod. It isn't even close. He is a tier above Dalton too. Carr is a borderline top 10 guy. I have him 10th or 11th in the league. 

 

 

I think hes in the same Tier as Dalton when Dalton was at his best. A little better than average.

 

Daltons better years were just as good as Carr's. I think its safe to say we are about as near as Carr's ceiling as we are gonna get.

 

QB 11 doesnt cut it with that roster. If you pay him 40 million he wont get the team he needs around him.

[JGMcD2]

FilthyBeast has to be sick to his stomach that Carr is about to make $40M/year considering he feels that Josh’s contract was a bad contract. 
 

This exercise very clearly proves that Josh getting $43M/year was a steal.

 

Although anyone with a brain knew lesser QBs were going to get inflated deals.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

The Ravens are probably sick to their stomach seeing this. If Carr can get a 40 million per extension then I can only imagine what they will have to pay LJ.

 

He's going to get the Dak and Cousins treatment for at least a year I think. I don't see an extension this off-season. If he has a year closer to his MVP performance again and more importantly can stay healthy I could see them giving him whatever he wants after next season. Otherwise they will probably franchise him.

1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Josh will get another at bat...

 

Yeah. I really wish we signed him to a 10 year deal. His second contract is going to be massive.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 

I think hes in the same Tier as Dalton when Dalton was at his best. A little better than average.

 

Daltons better years were just as good as Carr's. I think its safe to say we are about as near as Carr's ceiling as we are gonna get.

 

QB 11 doesnt cut it with that roster. If you pay him 40 million he wont get the team he needs around him.

 

Yea if all you are doing is numbers scouting. Andy Dalton was throwing to AJ Green, Marvin Jones and Mohammed Sanu. Who are the best receivers Carr has thrown to? 

 

As for building a team around him, yea the first couple of years of a new contract for a 2nd tier guy like Carr it becomes tricky. But by year 3 with the QB inflation he will be good value against an ever increasing cap. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I live a mile or so down the road from where both Carr's played high school football. Good for Derek. He's a stand up guy too. That said I am not 100% certain what happens with his future. If Indy is really looking for a new QB maybe Carr would be a good fit. Not sure they can financially make a trad and deal work though. Carr does seem like a McDaniels kind of QB I think.

[Rigotz]

2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10958/derek-carr
 

Josh's six year extension is looking better everyday.   We really got lucky with the timing of Josh's contract and the state of the salary cap.  He'd be worth $50+ if his contract was extended next year.

 

Really tough spot for the Raiders. Carr is good enough that you can't let him go, but NOT worth that money.

Same can be said for the extensions Mayfield and Jackson will likely get.

[Ramza86]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea if all you are doing is numbers scouting. Andy Dalton was throwing to AJ Green, Marvin Jones and Mohammed Sanu. Who are the best receivers Carr has thrown to? 

 

As for building a team around him, yea the first couple of years of a new contract for a 2nd tier guy like Carr it becomes tricky. But by year 3 with the QB inflation he will be good value against an ever increasing cap. 

 

Lets just say...they pay Carr 40 million bucks...

 

They need to add some real talent to make this team competitive.

 

The best move for the franchise would be to say...sign Davante Adams. Which will end up being another 30 million plus.

 

70 million in the hole and thats the best move they can make for the team to maybe actually win a playoff game.

 

Does Carr and Adams make them a real contender at a combined 80mil a year? Thats what 40% of their salary cap?

 

Maybe they try and make a run for one year and go all in. They have to copy the rams strategy or else they wont win with Carr. Simple as that my friend. 

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Cut him and do what? 

 

Wise decision Raiders. Pay the man. 

Right, pay a man who only has 1 playoff appearance in the 9 years he’s been with that team. He’s garbage

[appoo]

My dirty little secret is that I think Derek Carr is better than Burrow right now, but he shouldn't be getting Mahomes/Allen money

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 

Lets just say...they pay Carr 40 million bucks...

 

They need to add some real talent to make this team competitive.

 

The best move for the franchise would be to say...sign Davante Adams. Which will end up being another 30 million plus.

 

70 million in the hole and thats the best move they can make for the team to maybe actually win a playoff game.

 

Does Carr and Adams make them a real contender at a combined 80mil a year? Thats what 40% of their salary cap?

 

Maybe they try and make a run for one year and go all in. They have to copy the rams strategy or else they wont win with Carr. Simple as that my friend. 

 

 

I don't disagree with the bolded, at all. I disagree with the idea that it is that or rebuild. If they pay Carr $40m AAV then the first couple of years it is hard to put the team around him of sufficient strength. You win with these guys towards the end of their contracts. Stafford is in the penultimate year or his deal. Carr took the Raiders to the playoffs in the penultimate year of his deal. But the idea that it is better to just try and lose.... I mean eventually you have to be trying to win and Carr is a guy who it easy to try and move on from and end up in a worse spot. 

[Ramza86]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't disagree with the bolded, at all. I disagree with the idea that it is that or rebuild. If they pay Carr $40m AAV then the first couple of years it is hard to put the team around him of sufficient strength. You win with these guys towards the end of their contracts. Stafford is in the penultimate year or his deal. Carr took the Raiders to the playoffs in the penultimate year of his deal. But the idea that it is better to just try and lose.... I mean eventually you have to be trying to win and Carr is a guy who it easy to try and move on from and end up in a worse spot. 

 Well see how the Raiders approach it.

[Process]

Carr and Dak are probably equal, so it makes sense he gets Dak money if they want to keep him. 

[nucci]

2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10958/derek-carr
 

Josh's six year extension is looking better everyday.   We really got lucky with the timing of Josh's contract and the state of the salary cap.  He'd be worth $50+ if his contract was extended next year.

or the year after or the year after that. Most contracts will increase every year. NFL about to sign more TV deals...Sunday ticket up for bid...of course Allen's deal will look better than ones signed in future years

[eball]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The market is bonkers. I agree with that. It doesn't distinguish enough between elite and good. But the difference between good and not good is so stark that I don't think dumping good because you want great is wise. 

 

It really, really isn't. Do people foget what 17 years of suck felt like?

I think there’s a pretty successful book out that talks about good being the enemy of great. Not sure what it’s titled though.