Better Call Saul - final season April 18,2022

[shrader]

It’s truly amazing that they have pieces together this amazing show based solely off of a throwaway line in one episode. If somehow they had more planned, kudos to them because Saul Goodman was the comic relief of Breaking Bad. Just look at the casting. Saul and his entire entourage were nothing but stand up comedians. 
 

I still expect Kim to somehow walk away from this alive. Saul also thinks Lalo is alive in the Breaking Bad timeline, so he may very well still be. This thing can go anywhere. 

[PetermansRedemption]

13 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I liked Howard as a character.  Well-played.  I was kind of angry about Kim and Saul going at him.

 

When Howard showed up at the end of the 'finale', I expected something drastic to go down.  I thought he would pull out a gun or something and off himself I dont know.  Just wrong place, wrong time.

Agreed. I really started hating Kim and Jimmy this season. Never disliked them prior to this season. Was really hoping Lalo was about to shoot Kim because that would hurt Jimmy too. 

[The Poojer]

I love Kim and Saul, never liked Howard, but honestly never crossed my mind he'd be disposed of in any sort of dramatic fashion.  I guess I figured he'd just fade into Bolivia.  That mid season finale completely shocked me.

[aristocrat]

 

[17islongenough]

21 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

Pretty good payoff for waiting and watching their scheme unfold too.   

 

 

I wonder where it goes from here.  What would Lalo want/need from Saul/Kim?  Part of me doubts Kim will leave that "talk" but it would seem early to end that character.  I do think Kim may have reached her full arc though turning into a full monster and it would be a fitting end. 

It seems like there isn't a ton of ground to cover for 6 episodes-worth.  Hoping we get at least a full episode for the Gene/Saul conclusion in Omaha.  

Idk how it ends but we still have Walt and Jesse appearing this season

[K-9]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

Here’s the full article by June Thomas. Talk about lack of imagination and underestimating one of the finest writing/directing teams in history. I gotta see if she changed her tune along the way.

 

https://slate.com/culture/2013/04/breaking-bad-saul-goodman-bob-odenkirk-spin-off-on-amc-bad-idea.html

Edited May 25, 2022 by K-9

[May Day 10]

1 hour ago, 17islongenough said:

Idk how it ends but we still have Walt and Jesse appearing this season

 

Yeah, if I had to guess, we are going to see the conclusion of the Lalo/Kim/Gus/Mike part of the story in the first 3-4 episodes.  Then it will be business as usual for Gus and Saul and there will be some sort of time jump to late 2008.  Then we will see integration in the BB timeline a bit and see what Saul was up to behind the scenes (perhaps even more Gus and Mike).  Then, finally, we will see the final conclusion of Saul/Gene and maybe Kim (Huell?) in Omaha.  

[davefan66]

Holy wow.

 

So very unexpected.  Sad TBH. Yeah, Howard could be a SOB but didn’t expect that.  I guess though, you’d have to expect it knowing there is no trace of him in BB.  
 

Wow.  Still in shock.  Still processing. Maybe a bit too far.?
 

Going to be a crazy ride to the end. 
 

Makes me kinda not like Saul in BB.  You know he’s done bad stuff to be the lawyer he is.  But to visualize what he did?  Makes it tough right now to like his character.  We will see how it plays out.  Wow.

[May Day 10]

7 hours ago, davefan66 said:

 

Makes me kinda not like Saul in BB.  You know he’s done bad stuff to be the lawyer he is.  But to visualize what he did?  Makes it tough right now to like his character.  We will see how it plays out.  Wow.

 

I think saul was fine with a few childish pranks to cope with Charles, with the bowling balls and the prostitutes in the restaurant.

 

Kim seems like a psychopath and gets pleasure from this stuff.  She kind of dragged saul into going this far.  When saul saw that judge with the broken arm, he seemed almost relieved to call off d-day and for Kim to pursue her "professional" dream instead.  

[PetermansRedemption]

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

 

I think saul was fine with a few childish pranks to cope with Charles, with the bowling balls and the prostitutes in the restaurant.

 

Kim seems like a psychopath and gets pleasure from this stuff.  She kind of dragged saul into going this far.  When saul saw that judge with the broken arm, he seemed almost relieved to call off d-day and for Kim to pursue her "professional" dream instead.  

Kim is an absolute idiot IMO. Psychopath is probably the right word too. She has given up so much of her promising career for nothing. She gave up her Mesa Verde gig because she sided with some guy who couldn't cope with the fact that he didn't own the land he built his house on. She gives up Schweickert, who seemingly let her get paid her massive salary to not do any real work for the firm. She gives up her "dream job" interview. At this point I am hoping to see Lalo take care of her by the end of BCS. 

Edited May 27, 2022 by PetermansRedemption

[Steptide]

Finally got to the season finale of part 1.

 

Im a little surprised at the comments here. Since season 1 of bcs, we've known Jimmy was a slimy lawyer/person, and obviously we know his character in breaking bad. I actually like Kim quite a bit. We don't know what happens to her yet, but I'd kinda be surprised if she just gets killed. I feel like it's too predictable but what do I know. Excited to see how it ends 

[davefan66]

On 5/27/2022 at 7:16 AM, May Day 10 said:

 

I think saul was fine with a few childish pranks to cope with Charles, with the bowling balls and the prostitutes in the restaurant.

 

Kim seems like a psychopath and gets pleasure from this stuff.  She kind of dragged saul into going this far.  When saul saw that judge with the broken arm, he seemed almost relieved to call off d-day and for Kim to pursue her "professional" dream instead.  

She didn’t start out that way.  Maybe she had it in her, but it took Saul to get her to be what she is now.  She wasn’t complicit at first, but slowly slid into the depths with him.

 

I don’t think she gets killed.  In fact, she probably starts to regret her actions now and may change her ways.

 

I feel she lives on.

[boyst]

Isn't everyone forgetting we still have Jimmy to wrap up in the present day and the show has been a flashback?

2 hours ago, davefan66 said:

She didn’t start out that way.  Maybe she had it in her, but it took Saul to get her to be what she is now.  She wasn’t complicit at first, but slowly slid into the depths with him.

 

I don’t think she gets killed.  In fact, she probably starts to regret her actions now and may change her ways.

 

I feel she lives on.

Dev had the best fan theory but impossible to make work... But Wendy in BB was what Kim became after she displayed some addiction habits etc.

[coloradobillsfan]

25 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Isn't everyone forgetting we still have Jimmy to wrap up in the present day and the show has been a flashback?

this show is in such a unique position, with past and future timelines to resolve.  I fully expect chaos to ensue

[Buftex]

With all these great shows, I always find it odd that the majority of the fans of the shows take away is that the female lead is always the "bad one".  With "The Sopranos" everyone hates Carmella..."Breaking Bad" has Skylar.....now "Better Call Saul" has Kim.  

[Not at the table Karlos]

10 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Isn't everyone forgetting we still have Jimmy to wrap up in the present day and the show has been a flashback?

Dev had the best fan theory but impossible to make work... But Wendy in BB was what Kim became after she displayed some addiction habits etc.

Wendy was in better call Saul a couple episodes ago so definitely impossible to make work 

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Wendy was in better call Saul a couple episodes ago so definitely impossible to make work 

That and she knew Saul in BB, among other things that made it impossible. But it would have been a wonderful twist to the character

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 5/25/2022 at 9:28 AM, aristocrat said:

 

June Thomas wanted Josh Rosen.

[Steptide]

Anyone think we get a Walter white cameo sometime before the finale? Obviously Saul Goodman wasn't at the start of breaking bad, but wasnt the better call Saul episode of breaking bad in season 2 or 3?

[gomper]

While we're in the Hiatus, I'm happy to report that Howard's pro tip about spinning a dropped can to settle down the bubbles works. Dropped a few beers while stocking the cooler for our party.  I'll be damned. What can't this show do?

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

Anyone think we get a Walter white cameo sometime before the finale? Obviously Saul Goodman wasn't at the start of breaking bad, but wasnt the better call Saul episode of breaking bad in season 2 or 3?

Confirmed that Walt and Jesse will appear. How and why is a mystery. 

[shrader]

On 5/28/2022 at 9:32 PM, Boyst62 said:

Isn't everyone forgetting we still have Jimmy to wrap up in the present day and the show has been a flashback?

 

I'm surprised they didn't show any of that to start off the season.  I'm pretty sure every season started with the "modern day".  They did start with the raid of Saul's house this season, but that scene was in color, wasn't it?  The flash fowards to Gene were always black and white.

[Nextmanup]

On 5/23/2022 at 10:44 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

My jaw stayed dropped for like 5 minutes.

I just finally watched the mid-season finale last night.

The moment Lalo entered the scene, I instinctively shouted out "OMG, they are going to kill Howard!"

 

I could just feel it coming!  I did not think it would go down when it did or so quickly, however.

 

It still shocked me!

 

 

[Richmond_Bills]

Theory:  They foreshadowed by showing the Vacuum Cleaner guys card during one of the recent episodes.  I think Jimmy gets scared for Kim's life and she is the first to go with the vacuum cleaner guy.  The show will end with her and Jimmy eventually meeting up in Omaha....

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I just caught up and holy ***** lol 

 

Over the past month I've binged all of BB and BCS, and the whole time in BB I was wondering why Howard Hamlin was never around.

 

That answers that

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

I just finally watched the mid-season finale last night.

The moment Lalo entered the scene, I instinctively shouted out "OMG, they are going to kill Howard!"

 

I could just feel it coming!  I did not think it would go down when it did or so quickly, however.

 

It still shocked me!

 

 

 

Yep!  I went from leaning back on my couch to the front of the seat.

 

I felt so bad for Howard, they tortured him for the last few years, ruined his professional reputation and then they get him killed.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

56 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yep!  I went from leaning back on my couch to the front of the seat.

 

I felt so bad for Howard, they tortured him for the last few years, ruined his professional reputation and then they get him killed.

Not me, the guy was grade-A douche material.

 

Him and Slippin Jimmy's brother.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Not me, the guy was grade-A douche material.

 

Him and Slippin Jimmy's brother.

 

 

He was for a bit when he put Kim in doc review.  But after that, he was fair to them.  He didn't deserve the aftermath and certainly didn't deserve to be killed by a cartel member that Jimmy was working with.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

30 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He was for a bit when he put Kim in doc review.  But after that, he was fair to them.  He didn't deserve the aftermath and certainly didn't deserve to be killed by a cartel member that Jimmy was working with.

 

It's debatable whether Jimmy was "working with" Lalo or whether he was held hostage by him.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

31 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

It's debatable whether Jimmy was "working with" Lalo or whether he was held hostage by him.

 

 

 

He didn't want to work with them after but I think he got himself involved first with the "slimy" way he worked as a Lawyer.  I can't remember what was the first one...was it with Nacho?

[shrader]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yep!  I went from leaning back on my couch to the front of the seat.

 

I felt so bad for Howard, they tortured him for the last few years, ruined his professional reputation and then they get him killed.

 

And in the eyes of the public, Howard probably just disappears.  That body is going to be cleaned and no one will ever find it.

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He was for a bit when he put Kim in doc review.  But after that, he was fair to them.  He didn't deserve the aftermath and certainly didn't deserve to be killed by a cartel member that Jimmy was working with.

Yep, the writers worked hard to make Howard an interesting, complex character. 

Sure, he was "that guy" in a lot of annoying ways, but he was pretty much harmless and I think genuinely wanted to treat Jimmy fairly, perhaps out of respect to his brother (and Howard's mentor) as much as anything.

 

But if Howard was just a flat, predictable, jerk, he would not have been nearly as interesting as a character, nor would anyone have cared when he was killed off.

 

I enjoyed him as much as anyone on the show and Patrick Fabian's acting was great!  He'll be missed! 

 

Maybe we will see new material from him again in the future in flashbacks.

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2022 by Nextmanup

[Logic]

Hell of a midseason finale, for sure.

Loved the mediation scene with Howard melting down in front of everyone.

Then, of course, the big scene at the end. The second the candle flame flickered, I thought "oh *****....that's not good. Something's about to go down".

Rhea Seehorn continues to deserve an Emmy. 

Can't wait to see how this thing wraps up.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He didn't want to work with them after but I think he got himself involved first with the "slimy" way he worked as a Lawyer.  I can't remember what was the first one...was it with Nacho?

Nacho wasn't a salamanca. It was Tuco.

 

[PetermansRedemption]

7 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Not me, the guy was grade-A douche material.

 

Him and Slippin Jimmy's brother.

 

Kim and Jimmy are far worse IMO. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Kim and Jimmy are far worse IMO. 

 

What? No! They're working-class heroes, doing what it takes to claw to the top!

 

Not a pampered prick like Howard lol

 

[SoMAn]

On 5/18/2022 at 12:48 PM, shrader said:

 

They've been dropping little hints at Omaha for her throughout the series.  This time it was the Nebraska license plate in her flashback.  I think she's alive and they're somehow going to bump into Gene at the end of the series.

 

That’s been my thought- that the fate of Kim will be revealed when she appears in the post BB world with Gene in Nebraska. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Has been solid so far, not the best season but not bad by any means.

 

 

[Ralonzo]

On 5/27/2022 at 10:00 AM, PetermansRedemption said:

She gave up her Mesa Verde gig because she sided with some guy who couldn't cope with the fact that he didn't own the land he built his house on.

For some reason that’s always what I think of when I hear “Salamanca” lol

[Nextmanup]

On 6/11/2022 at 11:50 PM, Ralonzo said:

For some reason that’s always what I think of when I hear “Salamanca” lol

Her relationship with the character played by Barry Corbin (love him from Northern Exposure) was a part of leaving the corporate legal world, but not the whole of it.

 

They had built on a theme for a long time that she was the sort of attorney who really wanted to help people, especially down and out people, more than make rich individuals/business entities richer.

 

She was always going to leave the corporate world behind at some point, I think.

 

 

 

[gomper]

I read that S6E8 will be a Lalo heavy episode but who knows with this writing team. Spoilers are online due to this one being shown to the Emmy voting audience last week but what's the point of knowing ahead of time. I prefer to be blown away at the same time with everyone else.