SCBills Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Kadarius Toney Saquon Barkley James Bradberry With Schoen over at NYG, any of these guys interest anyone here? For me personally, I'd offer a 2nd Rounder for Toney. Still on a rookie deal, 1st RD Pick last year. Not the same player as Tyreek Hill in terms of speed, but similar playmaking ability out of the slot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Toney really on the trade block? He had a solid rookie year. Was hurt for a portion though 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I wouldn't think they are shopping Toney - rookie contract, need weapons, has shown flashes. Doesn't make sense for them. Nothing to lose there. Barkley/Bradberry - would think they are absolutely looking to rid big contracts or capture value where Barkley is concerned. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 In general, you would think the Giants will be doing some substantial team rebuilding. Look at the collection of players McBeane dumped on the market here in the early days. And on top of it, their GM was one of our guys. You would think we would have as solid a shot at wheeling and dealing with them as anyone in the league, assuming both parties have a player of interest. I'd say to keep an eye on the Giants as the off-season unfolds! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Toney really on the trade block? He had a solid rookie year. Was hurt for a portion though I've seen quite a few Giants reporters mention Toney as a potential trade candidate. Have to believe where there's smoke there's fire. I'd certainly inquire. From what it seems, the rationale is that he was hurt a lot last year, which is a worry for them - especially given how snakebit they are, and also might just not be a fit for what they're trying to build... more of a luxury player when they need building blocks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Barkley and the Bills seem like a match this offseason. 3 4 7 2 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said: I wouldn't think they are shopping Toney - rookie contract, need weapons, has shown flashes. Doesn't make sense for them. Nothing to lose there. Barkley/Bradberry - would think they are absolutely looking to rid big contracts or capture value where Barkley is concerned. You never know. The Bills unloaded their best offensive player - Watkins - after three seasons. Schoen is a "culture" guy, and there may be stuff about Toney and his team "fit" that we don't know about. Daboll may also think that McKenzie is a better player than him at this point. My basic read on the latter is that Daboll likes him (given the playcalling) and McDermott has issues with him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: You never know. The Bills unloaded their best offensive player - Watkins - after three seasons. Schoen is a "culture" guy, and there may be stuff about Toney and his team "fit" that we don't know about. Daboll may also think that McKenzie is a better player than him at this point. My basic read on the latter is that Daboll likes him (given the playcalling) and McDermott has issues with him. Watkins had years of injury concerns already, though. And he later admitted to having to mature and become a better team player after he left the Bills. I guess we don't know if Toney has any character concerns, but it is pretty tough to label him injury prone after one season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Toney seemed like a head case. Bills should give up a 6th for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Edmunds and Beasley for Toney and Barkley. Get it done Beane! 1 3 1 1 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, MJS said: Watkins had years of injury concerns already, though. And he later admitted to having to mature and become a better team player after he left the Bills. I guess we don't know if Toney has any character concerns, but it is pretty tough to label him injury prone after one season. He missed a bunch of games in college due to injury: https://www.gainesville.com/story/sports/college/football/2021/04/29/breaking-down-what-florida-gators-receiver-kadarius-toney-provide-next-level/4886034001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Of those three options, I’d be most interested in Bradberry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) Rumor Spring is right around the corner. 🤦♂️ Edited February 7, 2022 by Chandler#81 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Unless it is for obvious schematic fit reasons (and Toney would not be), if a team is willing to trade last year’s first round pick then you don’t want that player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Edmunds and Beasley for Toney and Barkley. Get it done Beane! LOL....let's throw the Giants next-to-nothing for 2 bona fide offensive weapons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Toney has major character issues, I doubt we'd be interested. If the Giants are shopping their 1st round pick after his rookie season that is a big red flag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, JimmyNoodles said: Of those three options, I’d be most interested in Bradberry. Bradberrys contract is absurd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, SCBills said: Kadarius Toney Saquon Barkley James Bradberry With Schoen over at NYG, any of these guys interest anyone here? For me personally, I'd offer a 2nd Rounder for Toney. Still on a rookie deal, 1st RD Pick last year. Not the same player as Tyreek Hill in terms of speed, but similar playmaking ability out of the slot. is this a rumor you are starting?! 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) I found this article, which likely gave rise to some others stating the same thing. Which likely is what birthed this post. Not a bad read. No rumors. Just somebody spitballing. Edited February 7, 2022 by BuffaloBillyG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Bradberrys contract is absurd That’s why God invented restructuring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said: LOL....let's throw the Giants next-to-nothing for 2 bona fide offensive weapons. bona fide offensive weapons a stretch. Edmunds has most trade value out all 4 of them. And there’s no way Daboll doesn’t want Beasley to help out Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Toney has major character issues, I doubt we'd be interested. If the Giants are shopping their 1st round pick after his rookie season that is a big red flag. If he is available? There is a reason for it. 0% chance he’s in OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, SCBills said: Kadarius Toney Saquon Barkley James Bradberry With Schoen over at NYG, any of these guys interest anyone here? For me personally, I'd offer a 2nd Rounder for Toney. Still on a rookie deal, 1st RD Pick last year. Not the same player as Tyreek Hill in terms of speed, but similar playmaking ability out of the slot. You don't mention the source of the rumors. Having Toney on that list makes it sound like an Internet Dude's List O' Spitballs Most 1st rounders get more than a year to prove themselves, and Toney had an OK year for a rookie. Incoming OC/HC will view his struggles as due to a faulty offensive system/execution and look at his talent and his 189 yd game against Dallas as harbringers of next year's production. I can't imagine why the Giants would want to trade him. I imagine in Schoen's most vivid wet dreams, someone offers to trade for Barkley - ANYTHING for Barkley. He carries no dead cap and a trade would transfer his $7.2M fully guaranteed 2022 salary to someone else. But his health and on-field production aren't going to have other teams lining up for that. Maybe a team like the Dolphins, Chargers, or Jags who have more cap space than they know what to do with might consider flipping the Giants a late round conditional pick that bumps up a round if he produces to see if they can actually put his undeniable talent to work for them. The Bills aren't in a situation where it's worth the gamble to them. Bradberry can ball. Whether he can ball worth $13.4M to a trade partner for the Giants is another question. That's paying him next door to a top-10 CB in AAV. Is he? Uncertain. The Giants take a big dead cap hit if they cut him - he has a void year in 2023 so they take on extra amortized signing bonus but they still save $12M by cutting him. I'm thinking trade partners figure they can wait until the Giants cut him to free up needed cap, then negotiate. Anyway, the Bills are in need of cheap labor, not a $13.4M trade. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Is TE Even Engram available? Wouldn't mind pairing him with Knox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Kadarius Toney Saquon Barkley James Bradberry With Schoen over at NYG, any of these guys interest anyone here? For me personally, I'd offer a 2nd Rounder for Toney. Still on a rookie deal, 1st RD Pick last year. Not the same player as Tyreek Hill in terms of speed, but similar playmaking ability out of the slot. I'd snap up Toney for a second rounder in a flash. Seems like exactly the type of YAC guy we need...Why would he be on the trading block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 37 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Edmunds and Beasley for Toney and Barkley. Get it done Beane! If I was the GM and pulled the trigger on that deal I'd fire myself! 😂 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 57 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Barkley and the Bills seem like a match this offseason. Say more about your thinking here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You don't mention the source of the rumors. Having Toney on that list makes it sound like an Internet Dude's List O' Spitballs Most 1st rounders get more than a year to prove themselves, and Toney had an OK year for a rookie. Incoming OC/HC will view his struggles as due to a faulty offensive system/execution and look at his talent and his 189 yd game against Dallas as harbringers of next year's production. I can't imagine why the Giants would want to trade him. I imagine in Schoen's most vivid wet dreams, someone offers to trade for Barkley - ANYTHING for Barkley. He carries no dead cap and a trade would transfer his $7.2M fully guaranteed 2022 salary to someone else. But his health and on-field production aren't going to have other teams lining up for that. Maybe a team like the Dolphins, Chargers, or Jags who have more cap space than they know what to do with might consider flipping the Giants a late round conditional pick that bumps up a round if he produces to see if they can actually put his undeniable talent to work for them. The Bills aren't in a situation where it's worth the gamble to them. Bradberry can ball. Whether he can ball worth $13.4M to a trade partner for the Giants is another question. That's paying him next door to a top-10 CB in AAV. Is he? Uncertain. The Giants take a big dead cap hit if they cut him - he has a void year in 2023 so they take on extra amortized signing bonus but they still save $12M by cutting him. I'm thinking trade partners figure they can wait until the Giants cut him to free up needed cap, then negotiate. Anyway, the Bills are in need of cheap labor, not a $13.4M trade. I heard it on WFAN, and Toney is also the #20 Twitter trend right now with speculation of him potentially being traded. Could be nothing. Could be something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You don't mention the source of the rumors. Having Toney on that list makes it sound like an Internet Dude's List O' Spitballs Most 1st rounders get more than a year to prove themselves, and Toney had an OK year for a rookie. Incoming OC/HC will view his struggles as due to a faulty offensive system/execution and look at his talent and his 189 yd game against Dallas as harbringers of next year's production. I can't imagine why the Giants would want to trade him. I imagine in Schoen's most vivid wet dreams, someone offers to trade for Barkley - ANYTHING for Barkley. He carries no dead cap and a trade would transfer his $7.2M fully guaranteed 2022 salary to someone else. But his health and on-field production aren't going to have other teams lining up for that. Maybe a team like the Dolphins, Chargers, or Jags who have more cap space than they know what to do with might consider flipping the Giants a late round conditional pick that bumps up a round if he produces to see if they can actually put his undeniable talent to work for them. The Bills aren't in a situation where it's worth the gamble to them. Bradberry can ball. Whether he can ball worth $13.4M to a trade partner for the Giants is another question. That's paying him next door to a top-10 CB in AAV. Is he? Uncertain. The Giants take a big dead cap hit if they cut him - he has a void year in 2023 so they take on extra amortized signing bonus but they still save $12M by cutting him. I'm thinking trade partners figure they can wait until the Giants cut him to free up needed cap, then negotiate. Anyway, the Bills are in need of cheap labor, not a $13.4M trade. You inspired to me look it up re Jax. I did not realize that James Robinson tore his achilles on Dec 21. Of course Etienne is coming off an ACL tear. I immediately thought a trade of Saquon to Jax made no sense, but perhaps it does given the injury uncertainties they have at the RB position. Still, given that Etienne is a first rounder, that's a lot of money to tie up into the RB position, especially when the two getting paid have major injury histories ... (Robinson is a UDFA going into his third season and is probably dirt cheap, but he of course is coming off an achilles ...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 28 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Unless it is for obvious schematic fit reasons (and Toney would not be), if a team is willing to trade last year’s first round pick then you don’t want that player. You mean like when Indy was shopping their recent first-rounder, Jerry Hughes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, mannc said: I'd snap up Toney for a second rounder in a flash. Seems like exactly the type of YAC guy we need...Why would he be on the trading block? Injury history, and not just in the pros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Say more about your thinking here. Cap hit isn't crazy for the possible reward. There's some risk depending on the picks involved but it makes a lot of sense for Buffalo if we're talking a pick in the 3rd or 4th round range. I don't even mind if the pick becomes higher based on playing time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Is TE Even Engram available? Wouldn't mind pairing him with Knox. I believe he's a FA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: There’s nothing to restructure. His salary is fully guaranteed and he’s a free agent next year. Bradberry, which is who the guy you're responding to was addressing? Nothing of his salary is guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, MJS said: Watkins had years of injury concerns already, though. And he later admitted to having to mature and become a better team player after he left the Bills. I guess we don't know if Toney has any character concerns, but it is pretty tough to label him injury prone after one season. https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/04/kadarius-toney-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: I heard it on WFAN, and Toney is also the #20 Twitter trend right now with speculation of him potentially being traded. Could be nothing. Could be something. It's nothing. Some writer wrote an article to meet a deadline. Included Toney's name to get people talking. Admitted in the article it was an extreme long shot. Posted it upthread. It's all just "this time year" banter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH HUFF Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Kadarius Toney Saquon Barkley James Bradberry With Schoen over at NYG, any of these guys interest anyone here? For me personally, I'd offer a 2nd Rounder for Toney. Still on a rookie deal, 1st RD Pick last year. Not the same player as Tyreek Hill in terms of speed, but similar playmaking ability out of the slot. Rumored by you? I find it funny that they would part with a young WR with that much potential talent. Saquon Barkley not a chance. Do you really think Daboll is not going to build around his QB? For the Giants to throw away all the young talent just doesn't make sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Cap hit isn't crazy for the possible reward. There's some risk depending on the picks involved but it makes a lot of sense for Buffalo if we're talking a pick in the 3rd or 4th round range. I don't even mind if the pick becomes higher based on playing time. $7.2M fully guaranteed isn't crazy for a guy who has only played 15 games out of the last 33 games, and who hasn't hit 5 ypa since 2018? Yes, in principle he has great talent, but the guy seems to be a walking IR festival Some super-talented players in college just don't seem to hold up in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Toney has major character issues, I doubt we'd be interested. If the Giants are shopping their 1st round pick after his rookie season that is a big red flag. Also, it has seemed many times that Toney has been described with words and phrases that are code for: Not Smart Enuf. As part of why he isnt on the field more, or isnt moved around more, isnt more than a one-trick pony, etc. (i dont have a link and refuse to look for one. We arent trading for Toney, and Giants likely wont trade him so soon. I hope they do trade him, though) Edited February 7, 2022 by maddenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said: Rumored by you? I find it funny that they would part with a young WR with that much potential talent. Saquon Barkley not a chance. Do you really think Daboll is not going to build around his QB? For the Giants to throw away all the young talent just doesn't make sense! I think Schoen would love to trade Barkley and free up the cap space for a guy who can't seem to stay healthy, but his 1 year, $7.2M fully guaranteed contract makes him unpalatable to most trade partners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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