Should the Bills extend Edmunds?

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 1/25/2022 at 6:29 PM, Helpmenow said:

Move him from MIKE 

Meh. The kid has the pass rush skills of a pet rock. 

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Mmmmhmmmm.  Last year I got flamed (by some), for hoping that we would trade edmunds for a 2nd rd pick so we can select Bolton.  A real MLB that has MLB instincts.  

I jumped off the delusional 49 bandwagon after his 2019 season. He's been gradually less impactful ever since. And I guess the biggest irony regarding Tremaine is the fallacy of his great cover skills. His qb rating when targeted these last 2 seasons are 114 & 106.  We have to trade him while we can still get a 2nd or early 3rd for him.

[JaCrispy]

3yrs $21 million

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I jumped off the delusional 49 bandwagon after his 2019 season. He's been gradually less impactful ever since. And I guess the biggest irony regarding Tremaine is the fallacy of his great cover skills. His qb rating when targeted these last 2 seasons are 114 & 106.  We have to trade him while we can still get a 2nd or early 3rd for him.

Too late my man.  Might be better off letting him go and counting towards a comp pick next year 

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Mmmmhmmmm.  Last year I got flamed (by some), for hoping that we would trade edmunds for a 2nd rd pick so we can select Bolton.  A real MLB that has MLB instincts.  

 

I'm not sure they could have gotten a second for him last offseason.    Drafting a MLB in round 2 is a lot like drafting a RB that early though.   I want my all star personnel department to find that guy for less.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

How exactly would they extend him?  Hang him by it, and see if it gets longer? 🤔

 

[Billy Zabka]

Edmunds' well documented issues and  inconsistencies his first 2 years were legitimately blamed on playing a new postion and being 20-21 years old. The sky was still the limit for him if everything clicked.

 

His 3rd season where everything was supposed to come together but didn't was blamed on a shoulder injury. His option was picked up.

 

This year, the 4th year he was healthy but plagued with the same issues again.  I think its safe to say that he is who he has shown to be all along and the hope that age and experience would fix his problems is just a pipe dream.

 

Edmunds is a hard worker, a good guy, an athletic freak that can move sideline to sideline and alter throwing lanes with his size.  Unfortunately he lacks the instincts, awareness, aggression, tackling, coverage skills, ability to shed blockers, and big play ability that the great mlb's in the NFL posess. 

[benderbender]

Send him to CHI with a low pick for Mack. Not a like replacement, but it gives them a young LB with “potential.” Gives us an LB who isn’t stood up by 5’6” RB3s on blitzes.

[JohnNord]

28 minutes ago, Billy Zabka said:

Edmunds' well documented issues and  inconsistencies his first 2 years were legitimately blamed on playing a new postion and being 20-21 years old. The sky was still the limit for him if everything clicked.

 

His 3rd season where everything was supposed to come together but didn't was blamed on a shoulder injury. His option was picked up.

 

This year, the 4th year he was healthy but plagued with the same issues again.  I think its safe to say that he is who he has shown to be all along and the hope that age and experience would fix his problems is just a pipe dream.

 

Edmunds is a hard worker, a good guy, an athletic freak that can move sideline to sideline and alter throwing lanes with his size.  Unfortunately he lacks the instincts, awareness, aggression, tackling, coverage skills, ability to shed blockers, and big play ability that the great mlb's in the NFL posess. 

I agree… I don’t think he’ll have some kind of breakthrough season fans have been talking about since he was drafted.  He’s always going to be inconsistent.  His size and athleticism will help the defense and allow him to cover ground in zone defense.  But he won’t be the one to make the big INT or FF.  He’ll make tackles but very few of these will be a crucial stop behind the LOS when we need it.  
 

Ultimately I see him as being gifted but not a difference maker.  I don’t think you want to give this kind of player $12-$15M a season.  
 

But it sounds like the Bills think he can improve and will be willing to pay that.  I just am not as optimistic 
 

[Mango]

Edmunds has clearly been put on notice with the Dodson extension.

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I agree… I don’t think he’ll have some kind of breakthrough season fans have been talking about since he was drafted.  He’s always going to be inconsistent.  His size and athleticism will help the defense and allow him to cover ground in zone defense.  But he won’t be the one to make the big INT or FF.  He’ll make tackles but very few of these will be a crucial stop behind the LOS when we need it.  
 

Ultimately I see him as being gifted but not a difference maker.  I don’t think you want to give this kind of player $12-$15M a season.  
 

But it sounds like the Bills think he can improve and will be willing to pay that.  I just am not as optimistic 
 

This final 5th year (contract year) for him will determine everything. If Beane cannot find a trade partner we'll have to sit back and see how he plays. I just don't see him having that breakout season we've all been patiently waiting for.  And it will cost the organization an expensive 12.7 to get some closure. 

[Mat68]

Get Edmunds to take a team friendly deal similar to Milano.  Lower the cap hit for this year. Linebaker is very low on Buffalos list this offseason imo.  

[Mark Long Beach]

4 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Get Edmunds to take a team friendly deal similar to Milano.  Lower the cap hit for this year. Linebaker is very low on Buffalos list this offseason imo.  

 

I have no problem with keeping him if we can get him on a team friendly deal.   No, he's not the difference maker that we hoped he'd be, but he's still the primary reason we can play a 4-2 defense.  I think we need a real difference maker on the Dline.   We're still too ineffective there.  Would love a DT terror.

 

[MAJBobby]

He is a better LBer than Milano. 
 

yes Bills should extend him. There is So much on his plate and gets little to no help from the DTs. 
 

remember Ray Lewis without DTs eating his blocks and making him fight blocks off. 
 

he is a top 15 MIke. In a league that needs both LBers to run sideline to sideline. So a 10-12M extension is fine for him. No one is saying he is worth the highest paid MIke in the league. 
 

sad thing Franchise Tag next year is not possible with him because of the Edge LBer getting lumped in there too. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by MAJBobby

[BADOLBILZ]

On 2/10/2022 at 5:35 PM, JohnNord said:

I agree… I don’t think he’ll have some kind of breakthrough season fans have been talking about since he was drafted.  He’s always going to be inconsistent.  His size and athleticism will help the defense and allow him to cover ground in zone defense.  But he won’t be the one to make the big INT or FF.  He’ll make tackles but very few of these will be a crucial stop behind the LOS when we need it.  
 

Ultimately I see him as being gifted but not a difference maker.  I don’t think you want to give this kind of player $12-$15M a season.  
 

But it sounds like the Bills think he can improve and will be willing to pay that.  I just am not as optimistic 
 

 

 

It does seem HIGHLY unlikely IMO that Edmunds will suddenly become a fast thinking, instinctive reacting LB and therefore become capable of making the big plays he to this point has not.

 

But not impossible.........Demario Davis and DeVondre Campbell would be examples of guys that became much better all around LB's 4-5 years into their careers after being low quality starters on their rookie deals.

 

The Bills made their mess with Edmunds and got themselves impaled on a $13M contract for 2022...........now they gotta' hope he corrects his issues..........I wouldn't touch his contract.........let him play it out and hope for the best.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

He is a better LBer than Milano. 
 

yes Bills should extend him. There is So much on his plate and gets little to no help from the DTs. 
 

remember Ray Lewis without DTs eating his blocks and making him fight blocks off. 

 

 

So just go out and get a Tony Siragusa and the Bills have another Ray Lewis on their hands?  

 

Edmunds simply doesn't make plays in any aspect of the game.

 

As @GunnerBill noted in the AFCCG.........one of the big problems Patrick Mahomes had was that he didn't have Logan Wilson on a string in coverage like he did wrong-way Tremaine.

[SectionC3]

My vote is no.  Or, if they do, they should move Milano.  Too much money invested in second-level defenders who don’t rush the passer.  I appreciate the argument that Edmunds covers a ton of ground in zone in this D.  But there’s only so much cash to go around, and on the D side of the ball I think we’ve learned it should go to pass disrupters, e.g., rushers, corners, or exceptional safeties.  

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So just go out and get a Tony Siragusa and the Bills have another Ray Lewis on their hands?  

 

Edmunds simply doesn't make plays in any aspect of the game.

 

As @GunnerBill noted in the AFCCG.........one of the big problems Patrick Mahomes had was that he didn't have Logan Wilson on a string in coverage like he did wrong-way Tremaine.

Yep go get a legit DT and Edmunds plays much better (already better than Milano) particularly against the Run. But man Milano can do no wrong with this Edmunds mob. 
 

the reality is Edmunds is a better LBer. The league sees it (See Salah) and the Bills see it. Look for an Edmunds extension this summer. 

[billrooter]

41 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

He is a better LBer than Milano. 
 

yes Bills should extend him. There is So much on his plate and gets little to no help from the DTs. 
 

remember Ray Lewis without DTs eating his blocks and making him fight blocks off. 
 

he is a top 15 MIke. In a league that needs both LBers to run sideline to sideline. So a 10-12M extension is fine for him. No one is saying he is worth the highest paid MIke in the league. 
 

sad thing Franchise Tag next year is not possible with him because of the Edge LBer getting lumped in there too. 

  I don't think he's better than Millano, but that may just be my opinion.

[MAJBobby]

18 minutes ago, billrooter said:

  I don't think he's better than Millano, but that may just be my opinion.

Milano makes the same mistakes as often as Edmunds does from the easiest LBer position to play. And he his talked about as an elite LBer around here. 
 

edmunds has more on his plate with these defense. Makes the same mistakes Milano does and is talked like he is trash. 
 

Reality is Bills players have talked about all Edmunds responsibilities and how much he is asked to do. Why does the coaching staff put so many responsibilities on a “trash” player. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Hell yes!

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Milano makes the same mistakes as often as Edmunds does from the easiest LBer position to play. And he his talked about as an elite LBer around here. 
 

edmunds has more on his plate with these defense. Makes the same mistakes Milano does and is talked like he is trash. 
 

Reality is Bills players have talked about all Edmunds responsibilities and how much he is asked to do. Why does the coaching staff put so many responsibilities on a “trash” player. 

 

 

Milano is not an elite LB.

 

But talking up Edmunds like he is.........that is pure fiction.

 

He showed some flashes of improvement this year in the games against much weaker opponents.............but that never materialized into improvement on the whole.........and really he hasn't shown nearly enough progress since his rookie season.............and this year a minor influx of young ILB's and some others improving pushed him down the ranks around the league.

 

If they could deal away Edmunds and sign DeVondre Campbell for $6M-$7M aav I'd be all over that and the average football fan doesn't even know who that dude is.

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Milano is not an elite LB.

 

But talking up Edmunds like he is.........that is pure fiction.

 

He showed some flashes of improvement this year in the games against much weaker opponents.............but that never materialized into improvement on the whole.........and really he hasn't shown nearly enough progress since his rookie season.............and this year a minor influx of young ILB's and some others improving pushed him down the ranks around the league.

 

If they could deal away Edmunds and sign DeVondre Campbell for $6M-$7M aav I'd be all over that and the average football fan doesn't even know who that dude is.

At no point in my review did I ever call Edmunds Elite. However I also know he does have much more responsibilities than a traditional MIke. (bills players have said as much). 
 

I also have said he is a top 15 MIke. Which he is. So against a nice 4 year 44M extension is a good number for him this summer. The defense gets worse without Him at MIke. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

At no point in my review did I ever call Edmunds Elite. However I also know he does have much more responsibilities than a traditional MIke. (bills players have said as much). 
 

I also have said he is a top 15 MIke. Which he is. So against a nice 4 year 44M extension is a good number for him this summer. The defense gets worse without Him at MIke. 

 

 

Well you put a hat on that straw bale when you jumped to Milano being seen as elite............nobody had said THAT in their criticism of Edmunds.

 

Yeah he's borderline top 15 Mike right now........league average...........that's down from top 10 last year and as you would say "can you pay $11(pipe dream) or $15M(likely with rising cap) aav for that when you have a franchise QB and a $17M CB and two $10M safeties etc..."

 

If he's the foundation of this defense then it's a house of cards.    I haven't seen that to be the case when he's been out but granted he hasn't missed a lot of games.

 

It's all well and good to be excellent against bad and mediocre offenses............but when you can't adjust how you play your back 7 or 8 because your MLB is a robot designed for one system..........then you can't adjust to your high quality opponent the way KC did in the AFCCG against Buffalo last season.......or how Cinci did in the second half against KC this year.

 

 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Definite maybe.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

He is a better LBer than Milano. 
 

yes Bills should extend him. There is So much on his plate and gets little to no help from the DTs. 
 

remember Ray Lewis without DTs eating his blocks and making him fight blocks off. 
 

he is a top 15 MIke. In a league that needs both LBers to run sideline to sideline. So a 10-12M extension is fine for him. No one is saying he is worth the highest paid MIke in the league. 
 

sad thing Franchise Tag next year is not possible with him because of the Edge LBer getting lumped in there too. 

0 sacks. 0 forced fumbles. 0 fumble recoveries. 1 int. 7 tackles for loss.

 

And gets toyed with by the Qbs eyes in the pass game.

 
Ya no thanks on the extension.

[Shake_My_Head]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

one of the big problems Patrick Mahomes had was that he didn't have Logan Wilson on a string in coverage like he did wrong-way Tremaine.

Wilson is everything we need Edmunds to be (and which he'll never achive).    Instinctive, impactful and someone who makes plays behind the LOS, not six yards+ downfield.

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Well you put a hat on that straw bale when you jumped to Milano being seen as elite............nobody had said THAT in their criticism of Edmunds.

 

Yeah he's borderline top 15 Mike right now........league average...........that's down from top 10 last year and as you would say "can you pay $11(pipe dream) or $15M(likely with rising cap) aav for that when you have a franchise QB and a $17M CB and two $10M safeties etc..."

 

If he's the foundation of this defense then it's a house of cards.    I haven't seen that to be the case when he's been out but granted he hasn't missed a lot of games.

 

It's all well and good to be excellent against bad and mediocre offenses............but when you can't adjust how you play your back 7 or 8 because your MLB is a robot designed for one system..........then you can't adjust to your high quality opponent the way KC did in the AFCCG against Buffalo last season.......or how Cinci did in the second half against KC this year.

 

 

So does Milano get the same grief from posters here for the same Issues. The missed tackles. The lost in zones the over runs the inability to get off Blocks?  
 

or is it just Edmunds that get those criticisms?  

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

0 sacks. 0 forced fumbles. 0 fumble recoveries. 1 int. 7 tackles for loss.

 

And gets toyed with by the Qbs eyes in the pass game.

 
Ya no thanks on the extension.

Cool you can read stats. Sorry guess what Stats don’t do?  Tell you what responsibilities are placed on a player 

 

so are those Bills players liars? 

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Then my question is why give the guy so much responsibility if it hinders his play?

Ask the untouchable HC?  Or guess we can blame Frazier their too. 

[MrEpsYtown]

Watching the super bowl, and watching Leonard Floyd, I thought about Edmunds. Floyd had all the strengths and physical traits of an edge player. The Bears draft him and play him  on the edge sometimes, but also off ball linebacker in coverage, and he is not great. He wasn’t playing to his strengths. Essentially a bust. He goes to LA and gets to pin his ears back, set the edge and rush the passer. In six years he has 38.5 sacks. 20 of them came the last two years in LA. And it isn’t like he was playing with scrubs with Chicago. He just wasn’t being used right. I fear that Edmunds may have this same fate. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by MrEpsYtown

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Cool you can read stats. Sorry guess what Stats don’t do?  Tell you what responsibilities are placed on a player 

 

so are those Bills players liars? 

Ask the untouchable HC?  Or guess we can blame Frazier their too. 

The stats show he is not an impact player at all and the eye test reflects that perfectly.

Watch the KC game and look at Mahomes deceive him with his eyes all game long. Nothing to do with individual stats there. (Except for the fact he couldn't make a game impact play of course)

 

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by BillsFan130

[Bferra13]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Cool you can read stats. Sorry guess what Stats don’t do?  Tell you what responsibilities are placed on a player 

 

So hes average to below average at wat he does hovering around that 15 spot. But has a lot more on his plate. Not worth it. Get a second for him if someone is dumb enough to pay that. He's a problem and going to be an expensive one with ridiculous pro bowls under his belt now. Find a replacement Beane. If its a skills tradeoff that comes at half the price, sold. Dont need to pat this dude ridiculous market value wen it ain't working. I'll trade the speed for instinct.

[Brand J]

I still find it pretty damning that when AJ Klein had to step in for an injured Tremaine, Poyer said of the substitution, “there was no drop off at all.”

[LABILLBACKER]

6 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I still find it pretty damning that when AJ Klein had to step in for an injured Tremaine, Poyer said of the substitution, “there was no drop off at all.”

Of course there wasn't.  You could probably stick Dodson in there for a game or 2 and not notice much difference.

Edited February 16, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[Wizard]

Trade, Trade, Trade.

[Brand J]

15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Of course there wasn't.  You could probably stick Dodson in there for a game or 2 and not notice much difference.

But even if Poyer saw that, I thought he should’ve been more diplomatic like “listen, we missed having Tremaine in there, but I thought AJ did an outstanding job.” Or “AJ isn’t Tremaine, we know that, but he really stepped up today.” I felt like his original statement diminished the importance of Edmunds to the defense.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Shake_My_Head said:

Wilson is everything we need Edmunds to be (and which he'll never achive).    Instinctive, impactful and someone who makes plays behind the LOS, not six yards+ downfield.

I guess the real enigma is why 25% of Bills fans refuse to admit this.  I think the most devastating statistic on Tremaine's performance lies in the qb rating of 114 and 106 when he's been targeted these last 2 seasons.  I thought that was supposed to be his strength?  And no one is saying Milano is great or elite by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe that light bulb goes on or even explodes in year 5 but as so many posters have accurately stated, it's highly unlikely 49 plays to that 12.7M production. 

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

But even if Poyer saw that, I thought he should’ve been more diplomatic like “listen, we missed having Tremaine in there, but I thought AJ did an outstanding job.” Or “AJ isn’t Tremaine, we know that, but he really stepped up today.” I felt like his original statement diminished the importance of Edmunds to the defense.

I agree. He could've been a little kinder in his comparison. But sometimes players can be inadvertently "brutally honest".

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

I still find it pretty damning that when AJ Klein had to step in for an injured Tremaine, Poyer said of the substitution, “there was no drop off at all.”

 

 

It's been the case that his replacement has shown little if any drop-off every time Tremaine has been out with injury.

[Norcalbillsfan]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I guess the real enigma is why 25% of Bills fans refuse to admit this.  I think the most devastating statistic on Tremaine's performance lies in the qb rating of 114 and 106 when he's been targeted these last 2 seasons.  I thought that was supposed to be his strength?  And no one is saying Milano is great or elite by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe that light bulb goes on or even explodes in year 5 but as so many posters have accurately stated, it's highly unlikely 49 plays to that 12.7M production. 

I do wonder where that supposed "strength" in coverage idea came from.  I've never thought that was his strength. Bill fennel cbs analysts with unbiased opinions even said don't drop edmunds into coverage.