Overtime needs to be fixed again

[Paulus]

21 minutes ago, downunderbill said:

I doubt the rule is going to change unfortunately, KC already tried that. There does seem to be a lot more support this time around so that might get the leagues attention. 

I think it'll eventually change. Maybe not this time around, but the next time it happens in a big game.

[LABILLBACKER]

Alot of guys today on LA sports talk shows agree the current OT has to change. That game last night needed to keep going.  Most say just play an additional 10 min OT.  You can't decide it on a coin.  Something like 10 of the last 11 playoff overtimes have been decided by a TD from the coin winner.  I think a new OT format will come because of last night.

[K-9]

I appreciate where Costas is coming from and perhaps a full overtime period is warranted.
 

In the meantime, playing defense is still a requirement in overtime and ours went missing. Had we managed to prevent KC from scoring that TD, I doubt KC’s defense would have stopped Allen, either, and we’d all be ok with the OT rules as they sit now. 

[Bing Bong]

39 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said:

They also discussed soccer for a moment.  I think that's pretty lame, too.  Teams play for 135 minutes and then guys line up and try to score on a goalie.  That's b.s. too.  

I mean they play a full overtime period after regulation 90 and don't stop at a score. It's 30 extra bonus minutes 1/3 of the game. 

 

Of all sports that overtime rule is typically exactly what people call for in their sports

[Brand J]

How’d the XFL approach it?

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

I appreciate where Costas is coming from and perhaps a full overtime period is warranted.
 

In the meantime, playing defense is still a requirement in overtime and ours went missing. Had we managed to prevent KC from scoring that TD, I doubt KC’s defense would have stopped Allen, either, and we’d all be ok with the OT rules as they sit now. 

 

If the rules were balanced I would agree. Considering they heavily favor the offense, it's not exactly a fair fight these days.

[reddogblitz]

Its a dumb analogy IMHO.

 

In baseball, the defensive team can't score.  In football, they can.

 

In baseball, the defensive team cannot intercept a pitch or force the short stop to fumble to get back on offense before the opponent scores.    In football, they can.

 

 

[Lionel Hutz]

College football does what they do in baseball where each team is guaranteed a chance on offense, but even that OT system is messed up. I still prefer what the NFL does over college. There’s no perfect solution. 
 

I still can’t believe so many Bills fan are complaining about OT rules. The game never should have gone to OT and everyone knew the rules going in. Complaining that we lost because of a coin flip is embarrassing.

[Dr.Sack]

The Bills coaching staff didn’t have a 13 second strategy. And didn’t go for the 2 point conversion kill shot to make it a 4 point game. Allen could have converted it. 

[Utah John]

2 hours ago, FormerlyPT5P said:

I mean they play a full overtime period after regulation 90 and don't stop at a score. It's 30 extra bonus minutes 1/3 of the game. 

 

Of all sports that overtime rule is typically exactly what people call for in their sports

Just curious what would happen if they're still tied after the extra period.

42 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

The Bills coaching staff didn’t have a 13 second strategy. And didn’t go for the 2 point conversion kill shot to make it a 4 point game. Allen could have converted it. 

And if they hadn't converted it, the Chiefs would have won it on the last-second field goal.  

 

Two-point conversions are HARD.  

In my opinion, the Bills failed to win the game because they wasted drives in the first half not getting points.  There was one three and out where Singletary got a good gain on first down and the Bills couldn't convert.  I don't think Allen threw a pass on that "drive" -- I think if the Bills had played the first half like they played the second half, they'd have had a 10 pt lead going into halftime, instead of being lucky it was still tied.  

[eball]

3 hours ago, sven233 said:

The rule stinks.  Always has. 

 

But last night had nothing to do with the OT and the coin toss.  It was about everything that happened in regulation with 13 seconds left.  Coaches blew the game.  PERIOD.

Both things can be true, you know. 

[timekills17]

4 hours ago, eball said:

Both things can be true, you know. 

 

Thank you.

 

*break*

 

Regarding OT rules, I get the concern that letting both teams play could lead to a never-ending story. Much like the soccer analogy that was used, that's why they give one additional period and then penalty kicks. Besides the fact scoring is less likely in soccer, they've already been running for 90 minutes before OT.

 

In football, have to consider most times the players that have extended physical abuse/chance for injury, have to play the next week. So there needs to be a limit.

 

I'd ask for one minor change. Both teams get a shot. If it's still tied after that, go to the current rule.  (Next TD or defensive score ends it, or FG if the other team doesn't score.)

 

Very possibly it doesn't change the Bills-Chiefs game. Chiefs score a TD, Bills score a TD. Game still tied, so reverts to current rule...Chiefs score a TD, game over.

But at least both teams get a chance.

[Sgt. Ski]

7 hours ago, Paulus said:

I think it'll eventually change. Maybe not this time around, but the next time it happens in a big game.

One time is enough!!

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I think giving the teams one opportunity each and making the second team go for two (Of course the first team would have to decide whether to kick or go for 2 then).

[May Day 10]

5 hours ago, Lionel Hutz said:

College football does what they do in baseball where each team is guaranteed a chance on offense, but even that OT system is messed up. I still prefer what the NFL does over college. There’s no perfect solution. 
 

I still can’t believe so many Bills fan are complaining about OT rules. The game never should have gone to OT and everyone knew the rules going in. Complaining that we lost because of a coin flip is embarrassing.

I complain, AND also solely blame the Bills for blowing the game at the end of Regulation.  I would complain regardless.  Same as the stupid NHL Offside challenge rule.  If it goes for or against the Sabres, I loathe it and turn the game off if it happens.

Personally, I like some variation of the NCAA rule.

[zow2]

In a game where the last team to have possession of the ball was gonna win, unfortunately KC had the final 2 meaningful possessions.  

 

But since one of those possessions was only 13 seconds remaining it's a complete choke job by the Bills.  We will never get over this.

[Dr. Who]

8 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said:

I just watched Costas on CNN (wife had it tuned in) and he was making a point that the OT rule is the "dumbest rule in sports."  The host, Don Lemon, accused him of being a Bills fan.  Costas pointed out he has no horse in this race, but who wouldn't want to see these two QB's battle it out till somebody wins?

 

Then he asked the host what if baseball had the same stupid rule......in the World Series, extra innings, and a team scores a run in the top of the 10th.  Do you just call it a game, or do you let the home team get a chance to do something?

 

Great analogy.

 

They also discussed soccer for a moment.  I think that's pretty lame, too.  Teams play for 135 minutes and then guys line up and try to score on a goalie.  That's b.s. too.  

The wife excuse . . . 

Lemon is unintelligent even for a citrus fruit. I think this game may lead to the NFL tweaking the OT rules for the playoffs.

[stevestojan]

In 2019, the Chiefs proposed a rule to ensure both teams get the ball in OT. It didn’t gain support from other teams….

[dave mcbride]

7 hours ago, K-9 said:

I appreciate where Costas is coming from and perhaps a full overtime period is warranted.
 

In the meantime, playing defense is still a requirement in overtime and ours went missing. Had we managed to prevent KC from scoring that TD, I doubt KC’s defense would have stopped Allen, either, and we’d all be ok with the OT rules as they sit now. 

As I have said repeatedly, in playoff football against elite qbs, it is not a fair fight. Defenses are exhausted.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, zow2 said:

In a game where the last team to have possession of the ball was gonna win, unfortunately KC had the final 2 meaningful possessions.  

 

But since one of those possessions was only 13 seconds remaining it's a complete choke job by the Bills.  We will never get over this.

Hyperbole, though I admit I'm having a hard time with it. It will take a SB victory to heal this wound (and soon.)

[PromoTheRobot]

I've made the same baseball analogy for years and people tell me to STFU.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

I've made the same baseball analogy for years and people tell me to STFU.

Betcha they listen now.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

As I have said repeatedly, in playoff football against elite qbs, it is not a fair fight. Defenses are exhausted.

Yep. Which is why I’m convinced our offense would have scored against an exhausted KC defense as well. While “tired” may be an explanation, it is not an excuse; defense still needs to be played, regardless. 

[May Day 10]

What if they just started like it was a new quarter without the break?  

 

*Just brainstorming, didnt think out unintended consequences.

[No_Matter_What]

I didn't read the whole thread, so apologize if this was already posted.

 

I am sure there are plenty of ways how to improve current rules, which are clearly not fair. But if NFL is lazy to adopt something more complicated, I really like what I read from Adam Schein on nfl.com today - just get rid of cointoss, and add overtime possession into the initial pregame coinflip. Whoever gets the ball in second half (or first, for that matter), gets it in the overtime.

 

It is still not 100% fair, but at least you know what happens when overtime comes and you can adjust your strategy.

 

But like I said, I am sure there are still much better ways how to solve this.

[DCofNC]

For playoff games, I think they should just got to another 10 minute period w 3 TO each team.  If tied at the end of the period, sudden death.

[BigAl2526]

With only small changes, the overtime process has been in place for a while now.  Is it perfect?  Certainly not.  The league has decided they don't want to have games last as long as a full extra "quarter" and they don't like games to end in a tie.  Anything else is going to carry some risk of being less than perfectly fair.  In a game like the Bills - Chiefs, as well as the offenses were playing, Winning the coin flip was almost the same as winning the game.  There are other ways to do an overtime, but there are drawbacks to any of them.  Buffalo's best chance to win was preventing Mahomes for moving the ball far enough to kick a FG with 13 seconds left.  I think there were strategies Buffalo could have used to give them better odds.

[CodeMonkey]

20 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

My theory is that the coin toss doesn't matter so much in a Jax-vs.-Carolina or WFT-vs.-Giants OT regular season game. The offenses just aren't good and struggle to move the ball via the air. In the NFL playoffs, practically all the teams are good, and most have excellent QBs who can surgically dissect tired defenses. There's just a huge quality gap between run of the mill teams and a much narrower field heavily populated by the likes of Mahomes, Brady, Allen, Rodgers, Russell Wilson, etc. 

Yeah that could be I suppose.  But at the same time you would think better defenses as well (sundays game notwithstanding  )

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Yep. Which is why I’m convinced our offense would have scored against an exhausted KC defense as well. While “tired” may be an explanation, it is not an excuse; defense still needs to be played, regardless. 

Yup, no doubt in my mind if Bills won coin toss they would have gotten the TD. However shouldn't even have come to that, I'll never understand why (Frazier I assume) would call that B.S defense with 13 on the clock and KC with all time outs...

 

I was SCREAMING for squib kick off, that didn't happen, so started SCREAMING "WTF are they doing" when seeing the Defense. I'm still not over this one, total punch in the gut. Coaching really let everyone down 

[Paulus]

8 hours ago, Sgt. Ski said:

One time is enough!!

It has happened like 7 times. It just happened to the Chiefs a couple of years ago.

[Matt_In_NH]

Imagine if the Bills won the toss, went and scored a TD.  This would have been 2 times in 4 years it happened to KC, the calls to "fix" it would be even louder.

[timekills17]

12 hours ago, Paulus said:

It has happened like 7 times. It just happened to the Chiefs a couple of years ago.

 

Hell, it happened to the Falcons in their OT loss to the Patriots in 2017.

Chiefs lose AFCC to Pats on a coin flip...

Falcons lose SB to Pats on a coin flip...

 

Damn Pats still winning.