Why All The Clean Releases For Kelce and Hill?

[KOKBILLS]

From the kickoff on, every thing they tried failed in catastrophic ways. Things could have gone sort-of-bad and they still would not have managed to get in FG range after a kick and 13 seconds...

 

It was just a disaster scenario...

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Nitro said:

The point is....Davis was an unknown.   Take away the star power and force the other KC WRs to pick up the slack.  

Davis is an unknown? 😂 the guy has been making big plays all year.  And even if he is an unknown (which is absolutely false) they forced us to go to an unknown because they took our star receiver away and he made them look absolutely silly.  Again no excuse for how we lost but if we win that coin toss we absolutely shred the chiefs defense and win the game. 

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

The blueprint for beating the Chiefs is out there…I assume McDermott and Frazier didn’t bother to watch the Super Bowl last year…

Chiefs offensive line has improved tremendously this season.  They essentially had our situation against the jags where we were missing a few starters on the offensive line and had to shuffle everyone around against the best team in the league in the SuperBowl last year.

 

[Livinginthepast]

1 hour ago, Big C said:

We played them a lot more physical in the first game. Dunno why we went away from that.

Good question . This coaching staff is just too cautious and conservative and instead of being balls out because they had everything to lose they kept being cautious on the verge of losing. 

[JoshAllensShorts]

8 minutes ago, mannc said:

The blueprint for beating the Chiefs is out there…I assume McDermott and Frazier didn’t bother to watch the Super Bowl last year…

Tampa's defense was far better than that of the Bills. Especially the pass rush. Anyone who really believed the Bills had the league's #1 defense was crazy.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, JoshAllensShorts said:

Tampa's defense was far better than that of the Bills. Especially the pass rush. Anyone who really believed the Bills had the league's #1 defense was crazy.

Chiefs win that game if we didn’t injure their offensive lineman towards the end of the game the week before…they had to reshuffle their whole oline for that one game. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

6 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Good question . This coaching staff is just too cautious and conservative and instead of being balls out because they had everything to lose they kept being cautious on the verge of losing. 

 

I don't know about that, the DL was busting through many times but just missed getting to Mahomes on several plays which unfortunately turned into big runs for them.

[T master]

BINGO !! WE HAVE A WINNER !!

 

With 13 seconds left & you have the lead in the game to go to the AFC Championship game AT Home no less and you give Kelsey the 1 player that every body knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mahomes will be looking for because he always does & has always been that guy in crunch time to put teams away in this exact scenario every year .

 

But you let him run free through the D with out even giving him a hit ! That play IMO was the play that lost the game !!

 

Levi Wallace & Millano were with in 5 yards of him & he split them both and if they hit him or stick with him to knock that 1 pass down the Chiefs are out of field goal range still but neither of them even looked at him until it was to late .

 

I don't know that i have been this pissed off at the out come of a game the Bills have played . The first SB was a terrible disappointment but this one ripped my heart out !

 

To see Josh do what he did not 1 but 2 TD's to win the game & then for the Defense to just give the game back to Mahomes gift wrapped WTF were they thinking !! 

 

This game has nothing to do about the offense losing the game they won it the defense gave this to them on a silver platter and right now it's really hard for me to think of this defense being ranked number 1 in the NFL !! 

 

 

 

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I’m really wondering if McDermott had a full-on brain freeze and thought the Chiefs were either out of time outs or were down by more than 3… something went seriously wrong.  There are high school football coaches who would’ve coached better situationally there.  It is shocking.

 

Different sports obviously but it reminds me of this

 

 

Bills meltdown is probably worse given we took timeouts to setup our defense on those last 2 plays 

[Nitro]

37 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Davis is an unknown? 😂 the guy has been making big plays all year.  And even if he is an unknown (which is absolutely false) they forced us to go to an unknown because they took our star receiver away and he made them look absolutely silly.  Again no excuse for how we lost but if we win that coin toss we absolutely shred the chiefs defense and win the game. 

Chiefs offensive line has improved tremendously this season.  They essentially had our situation against the jags where we were missing a few starters on the offensive line and had to shuffle everyone around against the best team in the league in the SuperBowl last year.

 

Clue you in. Davis is not the star.  Diggs is.  Stop the star and force the second tier guys to step up.  Common practice. 

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said:

I have to assume the Bills defensive brain trust must figure Mahomes will just find someone else to throw the ball to, but for the life of me I just don’t see why at least in some of the most critical situations (like that final 13 seconds) that they continually allow these two critical receiver weapons to just release freely from the line of scrimmage into the secondary with no one really near them most of the time? Why not jam these guys at the line to at least attempt to disrupt the timing of the play if nothing else? These two guys are continually killing the Bills and it’s almost like we are inviting it.

 

 

Take 2 rushers out and use those two players to play man to man on Kelce and Hill and jam them at the line instead of playing soft zone and rushing 4. You knew Mahomes was going to get rid of the ball and a 4 man rush wasn't going to get there.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Big Turk

[Nitro]

31 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Chiefs win that game if we didn’t injure their offensive lineman towards the end of the game the week before…they had to reshuffle their whole oline for that one game. 

I concur.  both Tackles out lead to a poor performance by the KC O line. 

[Big Turk]

29 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

I don't know about that, the DL was busting through many times but just missed getting to Mahomes on several plays which unfortunately turned into big runs for them.

 

Including Hughes on the last play before the game ending FG...Hughes was a split second from sacking Mahomes.

[BillsVet]

54 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

So much for being built to beat the Chiefs.  Kelce and Hill go 19 catches for 246 yds.  UNACCEPTABLE!

 

For reference, Kelce and Hill went for 22 catches for 290 yards and 2 TDs in the Championship game last year.  

 

I'm sure McD would consider that defensive performance yesterday an improvement.  

[Plano]

They should have clotheslined Hill out of his skin early on in the game, take him OUT early. Really easy actually. One late helmet to helmet, oops, he's gone.

 

He deserves it too, a HUGE POS and waste of life human being. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Clue you in. Davis is not the star.  Diggs is.  Stop the star and force the second tier guys to step up.  Common practice. 

Loll clue me in?  Doubling the household name player all game and letting a great player torch your single coverage all night long is far from an impressive gameplan is all I’m saying. It’s pretty subjective who we decide to deem ‘a star’…Davis has been the hero many times in his short career so far.    Chiefs defense got absolutely pantsed and we bailed them out with that bungled 13 seconds.  

[HamptonBillsfan]

Why, because Sean and Frazier are from the bend don't break school of losing football. He could have won this game and he will never regain the respect from knowledgeable fans until he wins. Josh left his guts on that field and handed these timid coaches this win and their mind-numbing decisions prevented a home championship game and a SB appearance. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Why, because Sean and Frazier are from the bend don't break school of losing football. He could have won this game and he will never regain the respect from knowledgeable fans until he wins. Josh left his guts on that field and handed these timid coaches this win and their mind-numbing decisions prevented a home championship game and a SB appearance. 

Idk why we single out our coaches for this pretty much everyone plays the chiefs that way.  And us also.  

[MPT]

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

I know it kinda worked, but I don't know why the bills are so anti blitz against Mahomes. He is bad under pressure 

 

He is bad under pressure from 4. Against the blitz he is the best in the league.

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Idk why we single out our coaches for this pretty much everyone plays the chiefs that way.  And us also.  

Let me simplify this for you, the game was determined on decisions made after we lead with 13 seconds left and managed to lose. Situational football strategy called for a kick in the field of play to kill 3 to 5 seconds. Then, why rush 4 when you got no pressure the whole game. Then letting Kelce and Hill have free releaes without holding or tackling them is mind blowing with 10 seconds left. Coaching cost us the game. As a fan please don't dismiss this fact. Aren't you sick of this crap.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Let me simplify this for you, the game was determined on decisions made after we lead with 13 seconds left and managed to lose. Situational football strategy called for a kick in the field of play to kill 3 to 5 seconds. Then, why rush 4 when you got no pressure the whole game. Then letting Kelce and Hill have free releaes without holding or tackling them is mind blowing with 10 seconds left. Coaching cost us the game. As a fan please don't dismiss this fact. Aren't you sick of this crap.

Right I wouldn’t argue that specific situation was badly managed …but the general statement ‘the bend but don’t break school of losing football’ I didn’t agree with for multiple reasons.  First being…I think you only rush 4 if you think you can get the sack to end the game.  That was honestly an overly aggressive defense for the situation in my mind.  A ‘true’ prevent defense probably wins that game. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

8 hours ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said:

I have to assume the Bills defensive brain trust must figure Mahomes will just find someone else to throw the ball to, but for the life of me I just don’t see why at least in some of the most critical situations (like that final 13 seconds) that they continually allow these two critical receiver weapons to just release freely from the line of scrimmage into the secondary with no one really near them most of the time? Why not jam these guys at the line to at least attempt to disrupt the timing of the play if nothing else? These two guys are continually killing the Bills and it’s almost like we are inviting it.

 

Bad Coaching

[SCBills]

6 hours ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

The funniest part is McD spending those timeouts to make sure we had the right call in place first 😂

 

Even funnier is McD played himself, because Kelce got a look at our ridiculous coverage and told Mahomes, who then attacked it when we put the same coverage back out there.  

[HamptonBillsfan]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Right I wouldn’t argue that specific situation was badly managed …but the general statement ‘the bend but don’t break school of losing football’ I didn’t agree with for multiple reasons.  First being…I think you only rush 4 if you think you can get the sack to end the game.  That was honestly an overly aggressive defense for the situation in my mind.  A ‘true’ prevent defense probably wins that game. 

A true prevent would have been not allowing Kelce or Hill from getting off the line of scrimmage even if it meant tackling them. Also extra dbs could helped coverage schemes instead of rushing 4.Those plays take 5 seconds each and then its a Hail Mary. McD whiffed on the last 13 seconds and should own the loss. He's a defensive coach and had no answers for Mahomes the whole 4th qtr and OT.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

A true prevent would have been not allowing Kelce or Hill from getting off the line of scrimmage even if it meant tackling them. Also extra dbs could helped coverage schemes instead of rushing 4.Those plays take 5 seconds each and then its a Hail Mary. McD whiffed on the last 13 seconds and should own the loss. He's a defensive coach and had no answers for Mahomes the whole 4th qtr and OT.

I agree with most of that except you’ve gotta be careful with intentional holds late in games now.:.they changed those rules after some harbaugh antics a few years ago lol 15 yard penalties for holds to manipulate clock these days.  Should’ve rushed 2 and had more dbs on the field at the very least 

[HamptonBillsfan]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I agree with most of that except you’ve gotta be careful with intentional holds late in games now.:.they changed those rules after some harbaugh antics a few years ago lol 15 yard penalties for holds to manipulate clock these days.  Should’ve rushed 2 and had more dbs on the field at the very least 

Had to be better than what we did. We gave Kelce a 30 yd reception with 10 seconds left. Horrific. 

[The Frankish Reich]

5 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

They were scared to death of Tyreek Hill speed

That was obvious. And his speed still killed us. Sure, you took away the long bomb to Tyreek. That just means Reid will run those crossing routes where Tyreek catches it 10 yards downfield, breaks a tackle (as he always does) and gains 30 yards anyway. Or more. 
The Bills were playing KC the way teams (including us) beat them in the first half of the season - take away the long throws, make them beat you by matriculating the ball down the field. Problem is that KC adjusted to those tactics, while Frazier and Co failed to adjust to what KC is now doing. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Had to be better than what we did. We gave Kelce a 30 yd reception with 10 seconds left. Horrific. 

Yea idk how he’s not doubled…I’m too sad to watch it again but someone probably blew their assignment lol 

[Success]

We were so terrified of giving up a really big play.  It's almost like we were playing for OT w/ 13 seconds left.

 

I get that you have that mindset against a team like KC, but you have to put that game away there.  

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

They should have been literally tackled at the line of scrimmage for a couple plays until the time ran out. Oh and also squib kick.

[FilthyBeast]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Here is what some anonymous coaches had to say in today’s Athletic:

 

Coverages didn’t seem to matter at times, but they did in the final 13 seconds.

 

“How about the pass to Kelce to set up the field goal?” the offensive coach said. “What was that corner doing? He was five yards outside Kelce and just watched him run inside there. I mean, they’re protecting the sideline, but they had timeouts. You can’t protect the sideline when they had timeouts. It was situational football that was bad. That happens when things get tight.”

An exec with experience playing quarterback said he could see that play unfolding before the snap.

“I’m sitting here saying, ‘They’re going to throw it to Kelce on the other side, and they’ve only got one (defender) over there,’ ” this exec said. “I said, ‘I can’t believe they’re going to let it happen, and he’s going to be able to run for 20 or 30 yards.’ And if I can see it on TV before the play starts, I can’t believe they let it happen.”

 

I honestly think they were so scared of another 'Hail Murray' situation because of Mahomes ability that they were in some ways simply willing to hedge their bets and 'accept' the tying FG worst case as strange as that sounds.

 

But again, that's still a loser mentality and terrible coaching if the case and doesn't happen in 99 times out of 100 games played in similar circumstances.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Here is what some anonymous coaches had to say in today’s Athletic:

 

Coverages didn’t seem to matter at times, but they did in the final 13 seconds.

 

“How about the pass to Kelce to set up the field goal?” the offensive coach said. “What was that corner doing? He was five yards outside Kelce and just watched him run inside there. I mean, they’re protecting the sideline, but they had timeouts. You can’t protect the sideline when they had timeouts. It was situational football that was bad. That happens when things get tight.”

An exec with experience playing quarterback said he could see that play unfolding before the snap.

“I’m sitting here saying, ‘They’re going to throw it to Kelce on the other side, and they’ve only got one (defender) over there,’ ” this exec said. “I said, ‘I can’t believe they’re going to let it happen, and he’s going to be able to run for 20 or 30 yards.’ And if I can see it on TV before the play starts, I can’t believe they let it happen.”

 

This is pretty damming for McDermott. Some will try to blame Frazier because it's an easier fix in their mind, but McDermott wilts in the biggest moments unlike Josh Allen.

 

What can one respond to these criticisms? There are no excuses that are sufficient. But I know they will just say "playoffs 4 out of 5 years" over and over again.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

They should have been literally tackled at the line of scrimmage for a couple plays until the time ran out. Oh and also squib kick.

You can’t do that anymore that’s a 15 yard penalty for intentionally holding guys to run out the clock.  Certainly could’ve tried jamming them for a bit though. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

You can’t do that anymore that’s a 15 yard penalty for intentionally holding guys to run out the clock.  Certainly could’ve tried jamming them for a bit though. 

Didn't know that. Do they reset the game clock?

[Billl]

4 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Idk why we single out our coaches for this pretty much everyone plays the chiefs that way.  And us also.  

Because the alternative is giving credit to the other team, and obviously that’s not an option.  Kelce and Hill only combined for 41 catches and 536 receiving yards in the last 2 playoff games against the Bills so it can’t be that they’re just HOF caliber players who made HOF caliber plays.  It must be that the DC of the number 1 defense in the NFL is a bad coach.

3 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Didn't know that. Do they reset the game clock?

Yes

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Billl said:

Because the alternative is giving credit to the other team, and obviously that’s not an option.  Kelce and Hill only combined for 41 catches and 536 receiving yards in the last 2 playoff games against the Bills so it can’t be that they’re just HOF caliber players who made HOF caliber plays.  It must be that the DC of the number 1 defense in the NFL is a bad coach.

Really? You don't think Kelce and Hill are given credit here? Despite their obvious talent, the way the last 13 seconds of regulation played out was certainly a coaching issue.

[Sestak4ever]

Everything that KC ran was underneath. Either our linebackers are at fault for not making plays or it is the coaching scheme on how they are used. Also on Mahomes scrambles, once he broke through the line their was no one to take him down. Again I would assume our linebacking core failed on those scrambles.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

 

This is pretty damming for McDermott. Some will try to blame Frazier because it's an easier fix in their mind, but McDermott wilts in the biggest moments unlike Josh Allen.

 

What can one respond to these criticisms? There are no excuses that are sufficient. But I know they will just say "playoffs 4 out of 5 years" over and over again.

They blew that play without a doubt…I’m sure his seat will get hot if we have a few similar playoff exits but after this one I doubt anything will change.

[The Frankish Reich]

21 minutes ago, Billl said:

Kelce and Hill only combined for 41 catches and 536 receiving yards in the last 2 playoff games against the Bills

That is just ... astounding.

[Nitro]

5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Loll clue me in?  Doubling the household name player all game and letting a great player torch your single coverage all night long is far from an impressive gameplan is all I’m saying. It’s pretty subjective who we decide to deem ‘a star’…Davis has been the hero many times in his short career so far.    Chiefs defense got absolutely pantsed and we bailed them out with that bungled 13 seconds.  

Let us agree to disagree.  

[Strethor]

All the open space infront of Kelce after the timeout really bothered me. If Hill beats you, i understand cause we are without Tre but that was a colossal failure to let KElce grab the easiest 20 of his life there.