iccrewman112 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) By playing the don’t give up big scheme I believe the bills in effect took Poyer and Hyde almost out of the game. They were not involved in any plays in terms of pass breakups or getting over to assist on deep throws, etc. would have loved to see coverage mixed up from deep shell and press or even a few plays where they were within 10 yard of the line then retreated just before the snap. Way to vanilla in my opinion, all to not give up the big play. The Bills allowed 10 plays of 20 or more yards. Edited January 24, 2022 by iccrewman112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said: By playing the don’t give up big scheme I believe the bills in effect took Poyer and Hyde almost out of the game. They were not involved in any plays in terms of pass breakups or getting over to assist on deep throws, etc. would have loved to see coverage mixed up from deep shell and press or even a few plays where they were within 10 yard of the line then retreated just before the snap. Way to vanilla in my opinion, all to not give up the big play. The Bills allowed 10 plays of 20 or more yards. The coaches were scared and played soft d all night to be 'safe'. You don't win Championships playing it safe and being soft. 3 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I’m gonna wait and see what the all 22 film guys say about it because at this point I’m just stunned and confused. Week 5 we had AJ Klein and Siran Neal out there mugging Kelce at the line and this week we had Milano, who is supposed to be able to cover tight ends, just let Kelce take the game from us. Poyer and Hyde absolutely took the wrong angles on the Hill touchdown from what I could see. So even if we take away the deep ball, we let the intermediate routes turn into big plays… I don’t know there is just so much in my head right now. I thought the bills d was the one advantage we had in this game and it just wasn’t. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The Bills have a great regular season defense. Can’t play well in big moments when all the chips are on the table though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 DL needed to get some pressure on Kermit ....was the problem all game in my opinion... they managed to improve the OL and Running game during the season but the DL was a bridge too far seemingly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said: The Bills have a great regular season defense. Can’t play well in big moments when all the chips are on the table though. Buffalo Defense hadn’t faced a competent QB in command of his own Offense since Brady/Bucs on December 12, 2021. It was probably too much time in between and not enough exposure to High Execution Offenses. Edited January 24, 2022 by RalphWilson'sNewWar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big C said: I’m gonna wait and see what the all 22 film guys say about it because at this point I’m just stunned and confused. Week 5 we had AJ Klein and Siran Neal out there mugging Kelce at the line and this week we had Milano, who is supposed to be able to cover tight ends, just let Kelce take the game from us. Poyer and Hyde absolutely took the wrong angles on the Hill touchdown from what I could see. So even if we take away the deep ball, we let the intermediate routes turn into big plays… I don’t know there is just so much in my head right now. I thought the bills d was the one advantage we had in this game and it just wasn’t. All those that argued that our #1 defense was overrated, were so right. I don't think I counted one pass break up tonight. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) The Bills defense imo played well from a scheme standpoint. Mahomes wasn't throwing on rhythm. He was making plays. Mahomes is unreal. There were a few plays obviously the defense would like back especially at the end of regulation, but Mahomes is just an unbelievable talent. They were making him move and dodge rushers all night. Edited January 24, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: DL needed to get some pressure on Kermit ....was the problem all game in my opinion... they managed to improve the OL and Running game during the season but the DL was a bridge too far seemingly Said all week if we don't pressure Birds nest head, we lose. And that's what happened. Back to the draft drawing board on pass rushers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Said all week if we don't pressure Birds nest head, we lose. And that's what happened. Back to the draft drawing board on pass rushers. Game 1 - Mahomes threw it side arm and Rousseau tipped it up and intercepted. Game 2 - Mahomes threw it even more side arm and it looked like he threw around Rousseau and hit Hill. It was probably that play that screamed, it’s going to be a special night for Mahomes. Edited January 24, 2022 by RalphWilson'sNewWar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, Big C said: I’m gonna wait and see what the all 22 film guys say about it because at this point I’m just stunned and confused. Week 5 we had AJ Klein and Siran Neal out there mugging Kelce at the line and this week we had Milano, who is supposed to be able to cover tight ends, just let Kelce take the game from us. Poyer and Hyde absolutely took the wrong angles on the Hill touchdown from what I could see. So even if we take away the deep ball, we let the intermediate routes turn into big plays… I don’t know there is just so much in my head right now. I thought the bills d was the one advantage we had in this game and it just wasn’t. Klein is better than Edmunds. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: DL needed to get some pressure on Kermit ....was the problem all game in my opinion... they managed to improve the OL and Running game during the season but the DL was a bridge too far seemingly They were pressuring him all game, not sure what you were watching. Mahomes had some mind boggling escapes. Any other QB we have 6 or 7 sacks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Game 1 - Mahomes threw it side arm and Rousseau tipped it up and intercepted. Game 2 - Mahomes threw it even more side arm and it looked like he threw around Rousseau and hit Hill. It was probably that play that screamed, it’s going to be a special night for Mahomes. 11 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Buffalo Defense hadn’t faced a competent QB in command of his own Offense since Brady/Bucs on December 12, 2021. It was probably too much time in between and not enough exposure to High Execution Offenses. all the while the D players acting cocky. I hate them. Poyer and Hyde should be embarrassed. Frazier also. Just now, Big Turk said: They were pressuring him all game, not sure what you were watching. Mahomes had some mind boggling escapes. Any other QB we have 6 or 7 sacks. good point re Mahomes, but it calls for a change in D plan. we had no contain, you need that on a qb like Mahomes, or another guy coming in late (gen LBor Poyer). But Frazier went with the same D expecting it to work against Mahomes. sickening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: They were pressuring him all game, not sure what you were watching. Mahomes had some mind boggling escapes. Any other QB we have 6 or 7 sacks. Make one stop ... What game were you watching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big C Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Klein is better than Edmunds. Klein does some things better, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 To my uneducated eye they played a lot of man coverage underneath with two deep safeties over the top. Multiple times Edmunds would go to the flat with the RB opening up the middle of the field. It took away the only thing Edmunds is good at. I guess the thought is you are doubling everyone by playing man with a safety over the top. Seems unwise as that is not the strength of our corners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The only way to defend the Chiefs is with a 2 high shell. It's what gave them trouble when they stumbled early this year. For examples of what happens when you "don't play scared" and send pressure or play single high go look at what Mahomes did to the Raiders this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said: The only way to defend the Chiefs is with a 2 high shell. It's what gave them trouble when they stumbled early this year. For examples of what happens when you "don't play scared" and send pressure or play single high go look at what Mahomes did to the Raiders this year. Agreed, but the missing piece was White. He takes half the field away. It’s imperative that we draft another high end CB to pair with White. You beat Mahomes by having elite coverage abilities. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: Agreed, but the missing piece was White. He takes half the field away. It’s imperative that we draft another high end CB to pair with White. You beat Mahomes by having elite coverage abilities. Agreed. Johnson is a beast in the slot and Tre is Tre. I'd love to see them use their first rounder on someone with CB2 potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, SACTOBILLSFAN said: Agreed. Johnson is a beast in the slot and Tre is Tre. I'd love to see them use their first rounder on someone with CB2 potential. I’m ok with this. I’d go CB, OG, OC/OL in the draft with the first 3 picks. As long as I get Faalele I will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: All those that argued that our #1 defense was overrated, were so right. I don't think I counted one pass break up tonight. I can remember one, on a short pass (I think it was to Kelce and Milano broke it up but I'm not sure). But your point is certainly right. Chiefs receivers were open over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: I’m ok with this. I’d go CB, OG, OC/OL in the draft with the first 3 picks. As long as I get Faalele I will be happy. Kyler Gordon out of Washington is who I want. He's a physical freak though and I feel like he might test to a point where he shoots up draft boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 We've heard for years that in a particular game, the winner was going to be the team that had the ball last. Fellas, we just saw one. It was really amazing. We can criticize the Bills D and be right, but KC's defense fell apart worse. At least none of the Bills defenders actually fell down because of a receiver's moves. 3 minutes ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said: Kyler Gordon out of Washington is who I want. He's a physical freak though and I feel like he might test to a point where he shoots up draft boards. The Bills act like they're not allowed to draft any offensive players in the first round. Except for Allen, we ALWAYS take defensive players in the first round. The last offensive player other than Allen taken in the first round was Sammy Watkins in 2014. Since then the first round picks have been Shaq Lawson, Tre White, Tremaine Edmunds, Ed Oliver, and Gregory Rousseau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, SCBills said: Honorable mention. The decision by Sean McDermott not squib kicking the kickoff with 13 seconds left McD reminds me of a 16 year old student driver that was handed the keys to a Ferrari. Too scared to drive it the way it's meant to. For those wondering, Josh Allen= Ferrari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: DL needed to get some pressure on Kermit ....was the problem all game in my opinion... they managed to improve the OL and Running game during the season but the DL was a bridge too far seemingly DL had a few chances for a big play and were inches away. Prop to Mahomes there I know Ed had him dead to rights and he got away a couple times. Something was missing on defense though. They didn't have the same swagger in the 2nd half especially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Said all week if we don't pressure Birds nest head, we lose. And that's what happened. Back to the draft drawing board on pass rushers. We did pressure him but I can’t believe how many times we didn’t finish the sack. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Big C said: I’m gonna wait and see what the all 22 film guys say about it because at this point I’m just stunned and confused. Week 5 we had AJ Klein and Siran Neal out there mugging Kelce at the line and this week we had Milano, who is supposed to be able to cover tight ends, just let Kelce take the game from us. Poyer and Hyde absolutely took the wrong angles on the Hill touchdown from what I could see. So even if we take away the deep ball, we let the intermediate routes turn into big plays… I don’t know there is just so much in my head right now. I thought the bills d was the one advantage we had in this game and it just wasn’t. The Hill touchdown was on Levi. He played his coverage wrong and as result it looked like everyone else was out of position, but they were in the position to defend a play that Levi directed to where he was supposed to. Can't be beaten across your face there and it gave Hill the natural angle on everyone else. 41 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: DL had a few chances for a big play and were inches away. Prop to Mahomes there I know Ed had him dead to rights and he got away a couple times. Something was missing on defense though. They didn't have the same swagger in the 2nd half especially Ed was the only guy on defense who made plays last night. Is some of that on coaching? Yep. Sometimes though you need your guys to step up and make a play. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The Hill touchdown was on Levi. He played his coverage wrong and as result it looked like everyone else was out of position, but they were in the position to defend a play that Levi directed to where he was supposed to. Can't be beaten across your face there and it gave Hill the natural angle on everyone else. Ed was the only guy on defense who made plays last night. Is some of that on coaching? Yep. Sometimes though you need your guys to step up and make a play. Exactly. We need an edge guy that strikes fear into offenses. We tried with Murphy,Addison etc in FA . Throw a few more bucks and get a great DE. Do what the Rams do in positions of need , the Championship window is wide open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Utah John said: I can remember one, on a short pass (I think it was to Kelce and Milano broke it up but I'm not sure). But your point is certainly right. Chiefs receivers were open over and over again. I believe that is because we choose to play our safeties as deep tacklers rather than letting them help in coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: All those that argued that our #1 defense was overrated, were so right. I don't think I counted one pass break up tonight. There were no passes defensed on 44 throws. That is terrible. Dane Jackson/Levi Wallace are a terrible matchup vs. the Chiefs’ receivers. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Poyer looked DAMN slow trying to run with Tyreek. I mean, it's cheetah, but this was BAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, The Firebaugh Kid said: Poyer looked DAMN slow trying to run with Tyreek. I mean, it's cheetah, but this was BAD. To be fair, he's a safety and not that fast relative to a CB. And no one can keep up with Hill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLawless Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 hours ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said: Agreed. Johnson is a beast in the slot and Tre is Tre. I'd love to see them use their first rounder on someone with CB2 potential. Taron Johnson was one of the worst players out there last night. That truly was one of the more pathetic tackling displays I've ever seen in ANY nfl game. He missed tackle after tackle, and imo looked like he wasn't worth the extension he received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, DocLawless said: Taron Johnson was one of the worst players out there last night. That truly was one of the more pathetic tackling displays I've ever seen in ANY nfl game. He missed tackle after tackle, and imo looked like he wasn't worth the extension he received. He at least occasionally covered people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 No Tre was huge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLawless Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He at least occasionally covered people. True, I'll give you that! That's more than Levi Wallace can say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 They certainly did on the last two plays. Both hyde and poyer were 30 yards off the LOS big fail at that point in the game KC was going for one thing only there the FG until they would be forced to hail mary it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 When the safeties are that deep you are essentially playing with only 5 initially coverage players (d-line doesn’t count). So take away their five O-line and it’s 5 defenders on 5 for receivers, then throw in maholmes scrambling ability. Not a formula to win in my opinion when it is the only defense you show for the entire night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since79 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Ed was the only guy on defense who made plays last night. Is some of that on coaching? Yep. Sometimes though you need your guys to step up and make a play. We were getting pressure, Addison on the first drive got pushed up the field beyond his drop and was circling back as Mahomes escaped on three runs. He and Jerry like to speed rush and often lose contain. Its a problem you would see during the year and in a game like this contain should be on their minds. Oliver would have gotten there if we containment was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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