Why so many tickets left?

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

You are premising your entire argument on the assumption that the primary objective of the franchise is to win games and championships.

 

What if it's to maximize profit?

 

There's the rub.

 

You think Pegula wants to spend $1 billion out of his own pocket to build a f-ing football stadium in Orchard Park, NY?

 

And that assumes the state will throw in another $500 million on top of it.

 

Domes are expensive.

 

 

Here the thing though. No one has priced exactly what a dome would cost. 

 

But we do know that an open air stadium with heated grass field, heated seats and a canopy over all seating areas is expected to run $1.4B.

 

Why not have some designs done of both and compare?

 

 

Edited January 14, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[Einstein]

31 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Maybe. But that picture looks like a packed house. 

 

You may want to see an optometrist.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

You may want to see an optometrist.

 

How do you look at those empty corners and think it's full? Talk about denial.

[What a Tuel]

5 hours ago, Rampage said:

The dome talk is nonsense. Imagine them sticking a dome over Lambeau? It’s embarrassing. These south and dome teams come up to Buffalo and don’t know what hit them. It’s removing an unmatched advantage.

 

Yeah, cause our roster is made up of people used to the cold, not players from all over the country.

 

Two times I can think of in the last two years weather has directly impacted Bills post season.

 

1st is the Chiefs game in the rain in 2020. 

 

Win the first chiefs game and the AFC Championship game is in Buffalo.

 

2nd time is Pats game in the wind in 2021.

 

Win the first Pats game and who knows what the post season gives but if we win and move on we go TO the chiefs again more than likely.

 

There are probably more. I never think "man Allen and team would be so much better here with some wind and snow"

Edited January 14, 2022 by What a Tuel

[4_kidd_4]

🥵 

[ArtVandalay]

5 hours ago, Rampage said:

The dome talk is nonsense. Imagine them sticking a dome over Lambeau? It’s embarrassing. These south and dome teams come up to Buffalo and don’t know what hit them. It’s removing an unmatched advantage.

Minnesota has a dome.

Indy has a dome.

 

Highmark does not have the cache of Lambeau lol

 

When fans can't be bothered to show up to the first capacity playoff game in 25 years vs a division rival in the Patriots... that's when it's time to build a dome... or not hack off 35%+ of your fanbase from attending. Either way. 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Minnesota has a dome.

Indy has a dome.

 

Highmark does not have the cache of Lambeau lol

 

When fans can't be bothered to show up to the first capacity playoff game in 25 years vs a division rival in the Patriots... that's when it's time to build a dome... or not hack off 35%+ of your fanbase from attending. Either way. 

 

Fans will show up. The stadium will be full Saturday. It's just some will have paid less for their tickets. What you won't see are any Patriots fans, which is kind of nice.

Edited January 14, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[mjd1001]

Throw me behind the lack of a dome and the weather.

Will the stand be full anyway? Probably yes.  But I can say for sure that if the stadium had a dome on it, the tickets would have gone a lot sooner, for a higher price, and a lot of games in the past decade that weren't sellouts would have been.

 

As as far as the 'real football is played outdoors' thing?  Not to me. The game is great as it is, there are so many complexities to the game without adding in weather.  Throw in weather and that is one outside factor added that can take away SO many of the pure aspects of the game.  The game is good enough as is in perfect conditions, I want to see the players play the purest form of the game between the lines without needing anything else impacting the game to take away from that.

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Minnesota has a dome.

Indy has a dome.

 

Highmark does not have the cache of Lambeau lol

 

When fans can't be bothered to show up to the first capacity playoff game in 25 years vs a division rival in the Patriots... that's when it's time to build a dome... or not hack off 35%+ of your fanbase from attending. Either way. 

Yep.  And those domes, with one exception, really helped both teams win Super Bowls, didn’t they?

 

One of the arguments for building a dome is all the extra events it could host.  I live outside Indy.  Lucas Oil doesn’t have many other events than football.  They have the high school championships for two days each fall, the FFA convention and monster truck rallies some years.  They get the combine but they’ve had that since before Lucas Oil.  They get the Big Ten championship on occasion and just got the Championship game.  They get the Final Four on occasion.  And that’s for a town known for its ability to host big events, that has the infrastructure with hotels, interconnected walkways to the convention center and Lucas Oil, etc. to bring these off.

 

Bukling a dome in Buffalo, unless you build the hotel structure and all other necessary components, won’t bring in many more events.  It would take decades to bring in the enhanced revenues to pay off the investment.

Edited January 14, 2022 by oldmanfan

[Jrb1979]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yep.  And those domes, with one exception, really helped both teams win Super Bowls, didn’t they?

 

One of the arguments for building a dome is all the extra events it could host.  I live outside Indy.  Lucas Oil doesn’t have many other events than football.  They have the high school championships for two days each fall, the FFA convention and monster truck rallies some years.  They get the combine but they’ve had that since before Lucas Oil.  They get the Big Ten championship on occasion and just got the Championship game.  They get the Final Four on occasion.  And that’s for a town known for its ability to host big events, that has the infrastructure with hotels, interconnected walkways to the convention center and Lucas Oil, etc. to bring these off.

 

Bukling a dome in Buffalo, unless you build the hotel structure and all other necessary components, won’t bring in many more events.  It would take decades to bring in the enhanced revenues to pay off the investment.

Not if you add PSL's. Let the season ticket holders pay for it. 

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Will there still be a bunch of inebriated biys with their shirts off?

 

I remember during the superbowl years at one of the playoff games people went shirtless into a hot tub in front of the stadium.  People are crazy lol.

[1stgm1993]

32 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Throw me behind the lack of a dome and the weather.

Will the stand be full anyway? Probably yes.  But I can say for sure that if the stadium had a dome on it, the tickets would have gone a lot sooner, for a higher price, and a lot of games in the past decade that weren't sellouts would have been.

 

As as far as the 'real football is played outdoors' thing?  Not to me. The game is great as it is, there are so many complexities to the game without adding in weather.  Throw in weather and that is one outside factor added that can take away SO many of the pure aspects of the game.  The game is good enough as is in perfect conditions, I want to see the players play the purest form of the game between the lines without needing anything else impacting the game to take away from that.

 'real football is played outdoors' thing?  this is what always gets me if the weather is so much to football then why does the super bowl always have to be someplace where the weather is pretty much perfect for the game.  the biggest game that should be played in the "football weather" get this nice beautiful weather. 

[Conlan58]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I realize that many people mock dome threads - myself included - but I generally like the discussion that ensues.

 

I hope the mods don’t start locking them all. They’re a good time.

Agreed. I put my 2 cents in shortly after my joking comment. I would love to see a dome. In the span of one season, I could have potentially gone to two games with about 100-130 degrees Fahrenheit difference (including forecasted wind chill) between the preseason packers game and this weekends game. 

 

And for the record, I had my whole family with me for the packers game, but we left at halftime because it was just miserable. 

 

Not only would my wife and kids have had a much more enjoyable preseason experience in a dome, but we would all be posted up in a hotel by now deciding whether to hit bar bills or duffs first, and we would be at the game this weekend in full force.

 

I am all for a dome. 

[Figster]

28 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yep.  And those domes, with one exception, really helped both teams win Super Bowls, didn’t they?

 

One of the arguments for building a dome is all the extra events it could host.  I live outside Indy.  Lucas Oil doesn’t have many other events than football.  They have the high school championships for two days each fall, the FFA convention and monster truck rallies some years.  They get the combine but they’ve had that since before Lucas Oil.  They get the Big Ten championship on occasion and just got the Championship game.  They get the Final Four on occasion.  And that’s for a town known for its ability to host big events, that has the infrastructure with hotels, interconnected walkways to the convention center and Lucas Oil, etc. to bring these off.

 

Bukling a dome in Buffalo, unless you build the hotel structure and all other necessary components, won’t bring in many more events.  It would take decades to bring in the enhanced revenues to pay off the investment.

Myself personally, I think Buffalo becomes a much easier sell on the FA market when you can provide star athletes a controlled environment to play in 8 games out of the season.  The Bills like to throw the football. Wind, rain and snow favors a good run game. It becomes magnified at a critical point in the season at OP. Home games in the playoffs are lucrative. Championships are lucrative. If the Bills had a Dome fans would be scrambling to find tickets Saturday night IMO. 

 

I've heard comments like so we build a Dome for one guy, Josh Allen. How much did we just pay this one guy? The teams not worth it? The fans aren't worth it? Winning Championships is not worth it???

 

We need to find a way...  

[jimmy10]

I think a lot of the surplus is because of high expectations on the part of the resellers. 
 

This is our first ever postseason game, so before we even knew the schedule or forecast we decided to spring for club seats and do it up. 
 

Once the forecast and market became clear I adjusted the price on my regular seats to just a tick above face value (lower bowl corner) just to get my money back, and they sold in less than 12 hours. 

[ArtVandalay]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Yep.  And those domes, with one exception, really helped both teams win Super Bowls, didn’t they?

 

One of the arguments for building a dome is all the extra events it could host.  I live outside Indy.  Lucas Oil doesn’t have many other events than football.  They have the high school championships for two days each fall, the FFA convention and monster truck rallies some years.  They get the combine but they’ve had that since before Lucas Oil.  They get the Big Ten championship on occasion and just got the Championship game.  They get the Final Four on occasion.  And that’s for a town known for its ability to host big events, that has the infrastructure with hotels, interconnected walkways to the convention center and Lucas Oil, etc. to bring these off.

 

Bukling a dome in Buffalo, unless you build the hotel structure and all other necessary components, won’t bring in many more events.  It would take decades to bring in the enhanced revenues to pay off the investment.

How many super bowls have the Bills won with their outdoor advantage?

Edited January 14, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Wow. Some people can’t admit they’re wrong even when faced with indisputable evidence.

 

That is no where near packed.

 

The game was going to be blacked out (yes, a playoff game, blacked out).

 

The NFL had to give the Bills 2 extensions past the usual cutoff in order to find six different companies in the area that would purchase several thousand seats in order to lift the blackout.

 

In the end, 18,101 seats were empty. Thats nearly 25% of the stadium - empty.  

 

 

 

 

 

It was not almost filled. There were over 18,000 empty seats and that was even AFTER companies bought several thousand seafs.

Just going by that picture.. literally only the corners of the end zones look empty

 

Picture makes it look packed absolutely

 

And 62,000 still showed up to the game.. it's not a bad crowd in Sub-Zero temperature

 

Again the bills will be in trouble if 40,000 show up.. anything over 60,000 in that weather is not bad 

 

We had 69,000 at the Patriots game in terrible weather.. we're getting 65,000 plus to show up

Edited January 14, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

The fans want a dome.

 

The PEGULAS don't want to pay for it. But instead of owning it, the Pegulas like to say that the "city and fans don't want it". 

 

That's what's really going on. 

Bills Actually did a poll and it was not overwhelming dome 

 

Pretty sure that open air even edged out dome barley 

 

It was given to season ticket holders

Edited January 14, 2022 by Buffalo716

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Fans will show up. The stadium will be full Saturday. It's just some will have paid less for their tickets. What you won't see are any Patriots fans, which is kind of nice.

 

How can you be sure about Pats fans not showing?

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, inaugural balls said:

 

How can you be sure about Pats fans not showing?

 

 

 

I can't be 100% certain. But the fact ticket prices crashed is partly due to Pats fans not travelling to this game. Maybe the cheap prices convinced a few to go. We'll see.

[DrDawkinstein]

13 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I don’t know about that.

This photo is from the Super Bowl run. Divisional playoff game against the Raiders.

Thousands of empty seats.

 

 

Even during all those winning years, there were ALWAYS issues selling out.

 

It was always Ralph or Russ Salvatore that would swoop in at the last minute, buy all the remaining seats, and then donate them to a charity like the Boys & Girls club. Happened all the time. I'd even argue more often than not.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Even during all those winning years, there were ALWAYS issues selling out.

 

It was always Ralph or Russ Salvatore that would swoop in at the last minute, buy all the remaining seats, and then donate them to a charity like the Boys & Girls club. Happened all the time. I'd even argue more often than not.

Yeah but that scenario is a little overblown 

 

People act like  bought 10 - 15,000 tickets weekly to keep us on TV 

 

Maybe twice a year he would buy the remaining 800 or 1500 tickets and give them the charity 

 

He was not buying 5,000 tickets weekly 

 

The bills broke the all-time attendance record in 88.. we were not hurting to get butts in the stands the majority

Edited January 14, 2022 by Buffalo716

[1stgm1993]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Bills Actually did a poll and it was not overwhelming dome 

 

Pretty sure that open air even edged out dome barley 

 

It was given to season ticket holders

Poll had 3 choices if i recall it was so long ago and you could only choose one i don't think we could rank them 

dome

roof coving most the seats as to be protected from the weather (seems to be way they are going)

and as is ie open stadium 

[ndirish1978]

It's weird that the cold weather is affecting attendance so much. I went online to see about purchasing tickets for the KC game and tickets are all 4-5x more on avg than this week's tickets and I'm having a hard time getting good seats due to availability.  

[Gugny]

25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I can't be 100% certain. But the fact ticket prices crashed is partly due to Pats fans not travelling to this game. Maybe the cheap prices convinced a few to go. We'll see.

 

Tix are now $49 (minimum) on TickPick.  Most are in the $70-$80 range (in the 300s).

[Buffalo716]

The bills have sold 71,000 plus tickets for this game 

 

That's the only thing that matters

 

Ticket prices are crashing because Patriots fans aren't buying them and Bill's fans are waiting for the bottom to crash out

 

There's no reason to go to the bills ticket office and pay $95 for a ticket when you could get one for $35 online 

 

But 71,000 people bought those $90 $100 $200 tickets to the playoff game 

 

By Saturday those tickets are getting scooped up majority

[LanderPoke]

I've been to some cold ass games in Wyoming. Just bundle up in layers and bring a blanket and you should be good to go.  Other factors like price and arriving home super late would be bigger factors for me when considering attendance.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, LanderPoke said:

I've been to some cold ass games in Wyoming. Just bundle up in layers and bring a blanket and you should be good to go.  Other factors like price and arriving home super late would be bigger factors for me when considering attendance.

To be honest here 

 

Most of the people on this website don't live in Buffalo 

 

I don't hear many around town complaining about what the weather will be like tomorrow.. I hear a lot super excited to kick the pats ass

[LanderPoke]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

To be honest here 

 

Most of the people on this website don't live in Buffalo 

 

I don't hear many around town complaining about what the weather will be like tomorrow.. I hear a lot super excited to kick the pats ass

I hear you. I mean there will still be tens of thousands of people there, so it's not that big of a factor for most.

 

Side note: Josh played in one of the colder, snowier games I can remember. Wyo beat CSU in a game we call the "Snow Bowl". It snowed like 6 inches of the wettest heaviest snow imaginable in the first half, then cleared up and the temps plummeted from the upper 20s into the low teens. Head coach Craig Bohl basically turned Josh into a fullback that game. 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, LanderPoke said:

I hear you. I mean there will still be tens of thousands of people there, so it's not that big of a factor for most.

 

Side note: Josh played in one of the colder, snowier games I can remember. Wyo beat CSU in a game we call the "Snow Bowl". It snowed like 6 inches of the wettest heaviest snow imaginable in the first half, then cleared up and the temps plummeted from the upper 20s into the low teens. Head coach Craig Bohl basically turned Josh into a fullback that game. 

I'm willing to bet that at least 65,000 people show up to the game

 

It's going to be loud 

 

Don't let the trolls coming in here.. abd the disguised Patriots fans trying to troll us win 

 

We are the best NFL fan base in the league

 

We have braved through elements for 60 years and sat through the best and worst of times.. they don't come more passionate besides cheese heads who are spoiled

 

Every fan base besides the Packers envy us

 

 

Edited January 14, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Jrb1979]

55 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The bills have sold 71,000 plus tickets for this game 

 

That's the only thing that matters

 

Ticket prices are crashing because Patriots fans aren't buying them and Bill's fans are waiting for the bottom to crash out

 

There's no reason to go to the bills ticket office and pay $95 for a ticket when you could get one for $35 online 

 

But 71,000 people bought those $90 $100 $200 tickets to the playoff game 

 

By Saturday those tickets are getting scooped up majority

Yes the tickets are sold. My question is why are so many season ticket holders who are supposed to be the most passionate of the group reselling them. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Yes the tickets are sold. My question is why are so many season ticket holders who are supposed to be the most passionate of the group reselling them. 

There could be 10,000 reasons that I'm not going to list every single one

 

And like I said a bunch in this thread 

 

If I was a batting man I'd be willing to bet over 65k showed up 

 

That's a great crowd in these conditions

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Yes the tickets are sold. My question is why are so many season ticket holders who are supposed to be the most passionate of the group reselling them. 

There's no real one defining reason. My daughters, for instance. She is on call Saturday during the game. Couldn't find someone to switch so she can't go. Had the game been Sunday, she could have made it. 

 

There are some really good lists previous in this post that outline some other reasons.

[Since1981]

10 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

My question is why are so many season ticket holders who are supposed to be the most passionate of the group reselling them.

Many resellers for years. They buy more than they “need” and resell. This game is a particularly hard game for out of towner fans (1F, home by 3am, covid) Consider

 

if just a 10% drop from Rochester, Canada =7,000 no-shows. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by Since1981

[Figster]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Bills Actually did a poll and it was not overwhelming dome 

 

Pretty sure that open air even edged out dome barley 

 

It was given to season ticket holders

Generally speaking Bills fans are built tough when it comes to harsh weather conditions. Goes with the territory. If the vote was close it would not surprise me If a little convincing would go a long way IMO. Some fans travel long distances to attend football games. Much money is already being invested. Making the game experience more comfortable and protectected from the harsh environment makes it more enjoyable and family oriented IMO. A better place to spend your time and hard earned money IMO. Better for the athletes, spectators, all concerned IMO. Skilled players are going to play at the highest level possible. More bang for your buck.

 

Anyone that watched the Raiders vs Chargers Dome game, the ending, awwww man,

 

now thats what I'm talking about...

Edited January 14, 2022 by Figster

[Warcodered]

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

We.

Need.

A.

Dome.

 

 

[Jrb1979]

28 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Many resellers for years. They buy more than they “need” and resell. This game is a particularly hard game for out of towner fans (1F, home by 3am, covid) Consider

 

if just a 10% drop from Rochester, Canada =7,000 no-shows. 

I wish the Bills would crack down on those that do that. 

[artmalibu]

I was going to get some tickets, but a positive test killed that plan....

[JoPoy88]

10 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said:

 

You call me out for questioning fandom yet felt compelled to point out you've been to every game since 2007?  Almost if you wear it as a badge, as if you know...It makes you a better fan, say?  Odd

I pointed that out to you in hopes that you think before you pop in here next time to scold people. Just go and enjoy the game, is that so difficult?