Rational Thoughts After Pats Loss

[corta765]

Let me first start off by saying yea last night stunk and for many fans a gut punch of the worst kind. For others the Bills lived up or rather down to the fears they expected.

 

With all of that said lets be a little bit rational with our approach and thoughts as fans. I 100% understand your feelings if you want McD gone as this does not feel. If you feel like that or some other pretty strong feelings understand that what I say below probably won't satisfy your feelings today and come back a few days from now haha

 

With that said here we go:

 

 McD Bad Coaching Year: Lets just go out and say this has been his worst year coaching and truthfully the coaching staffs worst year since he started in 2017. As I said above if you want him fired I get your frustration, but use some perspective or come back 2 days and read this. The standard has changed and elevated since McD has gotten here which is awesome and something he deserves heaps of credit for. Within 5 years we went from just hoping to break the playoffs to accepting that a title is something we should at least hope for. The flipside of that is the Bills have climbed the proverbial mountain to the point there is much left to climb other then a title so successes feel less big and failures larger. A year after his best coaching job his team just looks all over the place and that goes straight to the top. Last nights game alone was a synopsis on the coaching issues that have frustrated many:

 

-Down 8-0 in a game where scoring was coming at a premium the Bills get a TD and then.... kick a FG to still be down. One of the best things about McD the prior two years was the teams evolution to playing a burn the ships type mindset. If we lost we lost throwing everything out there right down to the kitchen sink. What difference did it make going for two vs FG. Either your tied or your down, didn't make a difference. This type of in game questioning has been constant all season and since the Titans loss when they went for it on 4th down the team has looked incredibly nervous and conservative as if that game short circuited him.

 

-The offense which had a solid identity on offense the prior two years (2019 strong running team with complementary passing, 2020 fast passing attack) just looks lost at points and uncreative. Like the other losses (minus IND) there was a lack of play action, movement pre snap, running Josh on a night he could've and should've been used and just general creativity.

 

-Many weeks the Bills have looked like a team expecting success just because they have in the past. I have said this in numerous posts but the first four seasons I never once questioned the play and intensity of the team. This year in multiple wins and losses I have questioned what the heck they are doing and their focus. This goes back to the guy leading the team. Yes this team seems to have a propensity to not doing well with tough line play, but prior Bills teams overcame talent issues like this and managed. This team just hasn't been able to do so.

 

-Buffalo many weeks seems to be playing catch up with game design rather then dictating what is happening which again goes back to the coach. Defenses across the NFL have adjusted to years of high passing attacks to forcing a more patient approach something the Bills just don't seem fully adjusted to. 

 

So yea if you feel McD has been bad this year your right to an extent. Many of the things above he was far better at in the prior years and mixed with the highest expectations the club has had in a while its a combo of puke all at once. With that said this isn't the end even if the season does go off the cliff for good. Sports are not linear and for coaches the most difficult thing in my opinion once your team has had success is managing expectations and focus. Many times coaches themselves have to fail before they learn that themselves. There is a laundry list of coaches and teams (1989 Bills are a popular one brought up here) who after the first big break through regress a bit before moving forward for real. I said a month ago this was the biggest challenge McD had faced since he became coach and the Peterman mess, right now he seems to be losing this challenge.

 

Daboll: I already covered some of this but he has had a bad year also. Part of this stems though from what is looking like an ideology clash between Sean and Brian. I think Sean has seen enough this season and is trying to tell Daboll to run and balance things more. Daboll to me is been vanilla and lacked creativity, but I also think he understands the Bills are at their best passing with how they are designed. Neither are right and neither are wrong, but part of the lack of identity comes from what seems to be the clash of these ideas. The biggest issue to me is they are protecting Josh too much. In far too many games that were close like NE or JAX they barely used Josh as a runner. Listen I get running your franchise QB is a risk, but he is also really good at it and the defenses have been leaving it out there. The same with play action or pre snap movement which are both things Allen excels at. For whatever reason the play design and calls have been incredibly porus. With that said Josh and Sean would both credit a lot of Joshs growth to Daboll. Regardless of where this season goes I would expect him to be back next season and the offense is going to evolve a bit to a bit more like the 2019 style that runs a bit better to setup Josh's best assets. 

 

Allen- It is funny I was nervous of regression from Allen, yet his numbers are pretty close to equal from last year and overall he has had another strong year. If there is one thing I miss from Josh it is the end of game killer instinct. Prior to this year he has had multiple game winning drives each season and generally seemed to thrive. Whether it is the offense, bad luck, some poor play, or just the way the cards have fallen he is 0-4 this year after last night which is a little surprising to me. The Bills were 5-1 in one score games last year vs 0-4 this year so some of it is statistics working there way back, but I do agree that he has been a little off in an area you could always count on him. With that said last night was not on Josh he was one of the few bright spots and it sucks I left feeling the team let him down.

 

Playoffs/Division:  Football is the dumbest sport out there because of how things change so fast week by week. Despite the loss Buffalo could lose win out there last 4 games and with a NE loss still win the division. I do not expect that to happen as I think the Jags game on has exposed them a bit as just not being there year, but no one knows anything. The eye test doesn't sit too good right now, but win the next two games and the NE rematch feels different. I guess what I am saying is it is 1000% fair to feel like this is looking pretty dire, but this is a really really weird sport where weird reigns supreme. The Bills to me look like a 6-7 seed playoff team that we will all look and say after losing well they came close and repeat all the issues we've said all year for their loss.

 

Long Term:  I understand that everyone wants the offensive line overhauled and the defense to get better at pass rushing in the offseason. There is absolutely room for both, but the bigger picture for me is what direction is the league moving in and how do the Bills stay with. The Bills have a lot of talent across the board and the biggest thing they need to do which they failed at in my eyes this offseason is evolving that talent whereas the Bills just seemed to bring the band back from round 2. Improving the lines is a needed fix, but just is needed is adding players who will maximize our best players talents. Identity keeps being the buzz word, but for good reason and it will be the largest question that needs addressing on offense especially for what they want to do. The same goes for the defense in terms of addressing the run. It is easy to say they need another run stopper, the bigger question is adding people who don't take away from the Bills success against the pass. 

 

That is all I have to say. If you read this thank you regardless of whether you agree or it angered you or your indifferent. This has been a frustrating season of sorts as at points the Bills have looked like title contenders and at other points the look like a team that is drafting mid round. If you were at last nights game credit to you for sticking it out despite the weather and end result. The Bills are just 3-3 at home which is pretty annoying as a fans considering the energy the fans put in and support for the team. 

[muppy]

today is a lot to take in in the fanbase ...like u said many Im guessing feeling kinda gut punched Disappointed. I  Appreciate your thoughts a lot.

 

Ima grab my popcorn kind of poster I dont get too UP or down anymore Ive taught myself to deal with being a bills fan better if I just sit back and watch it all unfold..my angst and drama is in check LOL Go Bills

 

Exhale...........

 

 

m

[Success]

McD is a good coach. It's easy to look at last night's game and say he got outcoached - and he did - but BB will always be the master.  McD really didn't have a bad strategy or gameplan.  BB's was better - and NE got the breaks that made all of the hindsight analysis more stark.

 

I.e. - if we score on that last drive, the talk today is more about how the Pats might have blown it by not being more aggressive and passing more. That's how it goes in hot take nation.

 

We weren't going to keep sweeping the Pats year after year. The important thing now is to get the split.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

It's not about what McD has done. You have to believe he can win the SB or not. That is all that matters.  Five years of 10 wins and no SB is not success. We have had that already. The fan base and the city wants a championship. If you believe McDermott can do it there are signs of prior success that he can. If you believe as I do that he is closer to Dungy in Tampa and Schottenheimer in Cleveland, San Diego, and KC then you should move on to another head coach. My immediate 2022 choice was Lincoln Riley but that ship had sailed. 

[DallasMac]

We had two opportunities late in the game to go ahead.  Poor execution on the field was the issue.  The line is just not good enough which limits the run game and prevents Josh from settling down.  And I don't think we have a single running back worth keeping.  The D for the most part did their job.  We all knew this was going to be a close game.  McD challenge was bad and we could've used those timeouts late but I just don't think this game was a result of coaching as much as the players being outmuscled.

[corta765]

11 minutes ago, Muppy said:

today is a lot to take in in the fanbase ...like u said many Im guessing feeling kinda gut punched Disappointed. I  Appreciate your thoughts a lot.

 

Ima grab my popcorn kind of poster I dont get too UP or down anymore Ive taught myself to deal with being a bills fan better if I just sit back and watch it all unfold..my angst and drama is in check LOL Go Bills

 

Exhale...........

 

 

m

 

This year has been kinda a sports evolution year for me for two reasons:

 

1. AFC Title. Once we made it there finally!, it reset my expectations and also kinda grounded me from living and dying on every play. 

 

2. Had my second child, my wife got COVID (recovered thankfully), and my mother in law got diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. Football stopped mattering nearly as much for what really is important. I do not mean to put people down either saying that as if it is your thing to max that is awesome and good for you. But life for me hit a major refocus and losing my mind and ruining my week over a game played by millionaires lost its importance.

[corta765]

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

It's not about what McD has done. You have to believe he can win the SB or not. That is all that matters.  Five years of 10 wins and no SB is not success. We have had that already. The fan base and the city wants a championship. If you believe McDermott can do it there are signs of prior success that he can. If you believe as I do that he is closer to Dungy in Tampa and Schottenheimer in Cleveland, San Diego, and KC then you should move on to another head coach. My immediate 2022 choice was Lincoln Riley but that ship had sailed. 

 

I get what your saying and depending on this season some true warning lights may be coming on the dashboard. Since McD got here my faith has grown and last year certainly was big step forward. It is concerning though that seemingly every time expectations raise when they have success they have some major fits with it. The Pegulas I think want McD long term the way PIT does with Tomlin, Ravens John H, or the Giants have had only a few coaches etc... for stability. With that said I could see that by 2023-24 the hot seat warming for real if the team keeps spinning its wheels.

[HOUSE]

Thank You Corta, I am leaving you extra money in my will

 

Buy some ice cream

Edited December 7, 2021 by HOUSE

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

This year has been kinda a sports evolution year for me for two reasons:

 

1. AFC Title. Once we made it there finally!, it reset my expectations and also kinda grounded me from living and dying on every play. 

 

2. Had my second child, my wife got COVID (recovered thankfully), and my mother in law got diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. Football stopped mattering nearly as much for what really is important. I do not mean to put people down either saying that as if it is your thing to max that is awesome and good for you. But life for me hit a major refocus and losing my mind and ruining my week over a game played by millionaires lost its importance.

2. I hope your mom recovers fully, my dad had a coupled bouts with cancer and is in remission (and he was in his 70’s) I pray your mom does too.  Congrats on your baby!  As for Covid My entire family is just now getting out of quarantine and my wife and I are finally starting lose the dang cough..

 

Enjoy your holidays with your entire family and find enjoyment only in this silly thing we calll football. (I rather watch my son play who absolutely loves the sport and always watching film.)

[RoyBatty is alive]

9 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

This year has been kinda a sports evolution year for me for two reasons:

 

1. AFC Title. Once we made it there finally!, it reset my expectations and also kinda grounded me from living and dying on every play. 

 

2. Had my second child, my wife got COVID (recovered thankfully), and my mother in law got diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. Football stopped mattering nearly as much for what really is important. I do not mean to put people down either saying that as if it is your thing to max that is awesome and good for you. But life for me hit a major refocus and losing my mind and ruining my week over a game played by millionaires lost its importance.

Best of luck with your mother.

 

Yes when life faces you it quickly can demonstrate how insignificant this game is.

[Nextmanup]

23 minutes ago, Success said:

McD is a good coach. It's easy to look at last night's game and say he got outcoached - and he did - but BB will always be the master.  McD really didn't have a bad strategy or gameplan.  BB's was better - and NE got the breaks that made all of the hindsight analysis more stark.

 

I.e. - if we score on that last drive, the talk today is more about how the Pats might have blown it by not being more aggressive and passing more. That's how it goes in hot take nation.

 

We weren't going to keep sweeping the Pats year after year. The important thing now is to get the split.

 

BB isn't Einstein for Christ's sake.

 

You offer the rationalizations of a loser.

 

It was obvious what to do and not to do last night.

 

McDermott played scared and defensively, b/c that is who he is by nature.

 

He did not play bold and aggressively, like Philadelphia did in their SB against NE a few years ago...which is why Philly won that game. 

 

They played to win, took chances, were aggressive....and it paid off.

 

I don't ever recall a Bills game being coached like that against NE.

 

 

[muppy]

36 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Thank You Corta, I am leaving you extra money in my will a

 

Buy some ice cream

gglsnorts...im maybe the only person that thinks u are the shiznik but I'll own up to it

 

lmaooooo

 

im being snarky. I wear my heart on my sleeve haha

 

m

Edited December 7, 2021 by Muppy

[Realist]

@corta765 mentioned Allen not having the 4th qtr comebacks this year. It is definitely lacking, do we even have one? It seems this year Allen is always driving down the field and there is some stupid penalty every single time that kills the drive or puts us in terrible position. I think that has happened in every close loss this year. Yesterday it was Knox's false start.

[Rocky Landing]

I came onto this thread to say something about improving O-line coaching (talent is there, IMO, scheme is not), but I now realize that I currently have little capacity for rational thoughts. If I didn't have to work today, I might just close all the shades, blast the Dead Kennedys, and cut myself.

 

EDIT: Thanks for all the work writing this, @corta765. I'm sure it's well written, and thoughtful. When my stomach settles, I'll probably read it.

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Rocky Landing

[Sharky7337]

The last 4th quarter comeback we had was vs Arizona 2020 and then they won on the hail mary but that was the last clutch behind 4th quarter drive score I can rememeber.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Sharky7337

[Mat68]

Buffalo lost the game.  Ne didnt win it.  Defense tightened up in the second half.  Offense makes 1 more play they win the game.  

[corta765]

49 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

McDermott played scared and defensively, b/c that is who he is by nature.

 

He did not play bold and aggressively, like Philadelphia did in their SB against NE a few years ago...which is why Philly won that game. 

 

They played to win, took chances, were aggressive....and it paid off.

 

I don't ever recall a Bills game being coached like that against NE.

 

McD has seemingly played conservative since the Titans loss which is probably my biggest gripe on the season as that seems to have seeped to every area of the team.

[corta765]

10 minutes ago, Realist said:

@corta765 mentioned Allen not having the 4th qtr comebacks this year. It is definitely lacking, do we even have one? It seems this year Allen is always driving down the field and there is some stupid penalty every single time that kills the drive or puts us in terrible position. I think that has happened in every close loss this year. Yesterday it was Knox's false start.

 

No 4th quarter comeback this year. 0-4 in one score games, Buffalo either wins big basically or loses hyper close (minus IND which seems like our yearly implosion game that happens). Since Allen started he has had 10 4th quarter comebacks (tied or down):

 

2018: Titans, Jags, Lions (at Miami SHOULD be here also THANKS CHARLES CLAY  )

2019: Jets, Bengals, Titans, Steelers

2020: Rams, Phins, Pats

 

Usually he is at his best in these situations which is why the three losses to TEN, JAX, & NE are in a sense stunning to me because Josh has bailed them out so many times I honestly would've figured by now he did it at least once. Truthfully if you are looking for a real positive he has played and proven to be a franchise QB this year and odds are he will probably single handily win them a game that at least clinches the playoffs in some capacity.

[RoyBatty is alive]

54 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

BB isn't Einstein for Christ's sake.

 

You offer the rationalizations of a loser.

 

It was obvious what to do and not to do last night.

 

McDermott played scared and defensively, b/c that is who he is by nature.

 

He did not play bold and aggressively, like Philadelphia did in their SB against NE a few years ago...which is why Philly won that game. 

 

They played to win, took chances, were aggressive....and it paid off.

 

I don't ever recall a Bills game being coached like that against NE.

 

 

 

 

I agree with everything you wrote EXCEPT for the bolded, I certainly do that we think in the past the Bills played scared, especially against Belichek.  Think back to the Jauron Era, we often played not to lose.

 

I get tired of the over the top praise at what a genius BB is, as if his game plan was some master stroke.

[damj]

We're not as good as we thought we were and have serious flaws. Last year the offense was on fire and it masked alot of these problems.

[SCBills]

It's all still right there for them..  Maybe not the 1 seed, but in this wild year, who knows.  

 

Win out and the division is ours.  

 

The compounded fear is that coming off an absolute gut punch that played to most of our fears:  conceding the division to NE after one year & having a home field that is absolutely not an advantage for us right now, we now face Tom Brady..  A game many of us are expecting to lose, and expecting to wake up Monday morning on the outside of the playoff picture looking in.  

 

Even then, win out, and we're in, and with some help from Indy or Miami.. maybe we even take the division..  but this season has been incredibly disappointing and seems to be setting up for another tense game against NE, in Foxboro with our season very much hanging in the balance. 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by SCBills

[muppy]

#denverbill  ...I agree with all of this....m

Bills should have won in multiple ways.

A. Fumble = NE Score
B. Diggs losing track of a wind blow ball which hits him in the arms and he drops it.
C. Knox drop
D. Encroachment which was not called and flabbergasted even the TV announcer.
E. Missed FG forcing us, after the flabbergasting no call, to go on 4th down.
F. Allen missed some must have throws. Like the last one which was FAR off from any Bills receiver at the end there.


And Any one of these things don't happen we win. Even if NE doesn't touch the ball on that KR if we make Diggs catch and get the FGs we win.

Or if Allen puts a Catchable ball on the 4th down we win.

But this is a sign of a team who did not believe that they could win. Those mental mishaps are a lack of confidence IMO. A lack of coaching too. Coaching which should have handled those massive Egos early on and managed the lows that were there the last 4 weeks as well.

I'm not a throw the baby out with the bath water kind of guy. Daboll and Frazier definitely have some blame here. But the OL could not get our running game going at all. That was the plan and the OL could not deliver. Allen was forced to win it again for them and he simply can't with such inconsistent blocking.

One down the OL blocks lights out. The next 2 they are a sieve. Even just below average play, like last year Allen can do amazing things. But not like this on such a windy day. He needed better from them.

We need an upgrade at both interior OL and at RB. It is clear that neither Moss or Devin have a beast in them. We need a bigger RB threat to be able to play these kind of games.

[rayray808]

this post really helped me through the pain today

 

it was honest and precise

[corta765]

10 minutes ago, damj said:

We're not as good as we thought we were and have serious flaws. Last year the offense was on fire and it masked alot of these problems.

 

A thought I have had is this Bills team is like 2019/2020 mixed with some slightly worse luck, bit worse coaching decisions, and play that is closer to the mean then the defense or offense playing on fire as each side did those years. Also I was looking it up and Allen does not have a single 4th quarter comeback this year and he has 10 the three years prior. He has basically covered their a**es a bunch and this year it hasn't gone our way bringing up some unfortunate discussions and possible truths.

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The compounded fear is that coming off an absolute gut punch that played to most of our fears:  conceding the division to NE after one year & having a home field that is absolutely not an advantage for us right now

 

I commented this earlier in the week but it was never realistic to think NE would always be down or that another division opponent wouldn't rise (outside the Jets lol). Bills with Allen have at least 10 years here they will be in the mix but some years will be rockier then others. Don't get me wrong I wish we throttled NE and they were not the team they are but like you said here we are. Flip side is they will have more shots in upcoming games and years to prove otherwise. I am not sure whether the drought or the NE domination for so long has been worse for Bills fans psyche when it comes to playing them. Flipside is lets just say they take the division and we are a WC team, next year they get the tougher schedule, the pressure, etc.. It is forever easier to hunt then be hunted.

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

BB isn't Einstein for Christ's sake.

 

You offer the rationalizations of a loser.

 

It was obvious what to do and not to do last night.

 

McDermott played scared and defensively, b/c that is who he is by nature.

 

He did not play bold and aggressively, like Philadelphia did in their SB against NE a few years ago...which is why Philly won that game. 

 

They played to win, took chances, were aggressive....and it paid off.

 

I don't ever recall a Bills game being coached like that against NE.

 

 

Philly won that game because BB refused to play his top CB in Butler.  They had some really awful CB in that game (shudder)

[Big Blitz]

I agree op and last night was his worst game ever as a HC.  

 

Let me sum up this teams number 1 problem and if the season ends in failure it will be this:

 

 

When it's time to run the ball, they either refuse to, or most often, they just can't.  

 

Everything else about this team is championship caliber.  Even the average D line bc in the end the overall defense can get the job done. 

 

But Singletary, Moss, inferior IL play settling on "running it back" with those 5 completely blew up in their faces.  

 

 

The end.  

Edited December 7, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Pirate Angel]

It's much simpler, our offensive line is bad and a our rbs are bad. Every loss we have our oline has been handled. The moment we try and commit to a running game our backs turn the ball over. We have very good receivers and a very good qb, but her cant go through his progressions and set his feet.

[corta765]

1 minute ago, Pirate Angel said:

our offensive line is bad & our rbs are ba

 

I would say more our offensive line does not run block well. The offensive line passing is fine when healthy, not saying it is great but its good enough for what is needed. Upgrades will be needed next year obviously and I agree the RB situation is just a hodgepodge that can't figure itself out. The Zach Moss pick is looking like a real miss for what was expected vs his actual production. I think though whatever injury he had last year still is impacting him this year.

[Nextmanup]

10 minutes ago, Pirate Angel said:

It's much simpler, our offensive line is bad and a our rbs are bad. Every loss we have our oline has been handled. The moment we try and commit to a running game our backs turn the ball over. We have very good receivers and a very good qb, but her cant go through his progressions and set his feet.

A substantial improvement to our offensive line, especially in pass blocking, would immediately translate to much better QB play; for that reason, it should be the top priority of the off-season, and  I think it will be.

 

Josh goes into panic/nervous mode when he is harassed and doesn't have enough time in the pocket.  He struggles to find open receivers like this, just as he did last night.

 

It's a consistent problem for him.

 

 

[jkeerie]

2 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

This year has been kinda a sports evolution year for me for two reasons:

 

1. AFC Title. Once we made it there finally!, it reset my expectations and also kinda grounded me from living and dying on every play. 

 

2. Had my second child, my wife got COVID (recovered thankfully), and my mother in law got diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. Football stopped mattering nearly as much for what really is important. I do not mean to put people down either saying that as if it is your thing to max that is awesome and good for you. But life for me hit a major refocus and losing my mind and ruining my week over a game played by millionaires lost its importance.

I am so sorry for all your troubles this year...but it really does change your perspective.  Our expectations for the Bills this year were indeed raised after making it to the AFC championship game last year and beating KC this year.  So...the way we've played since then is shattering those expectations and leaving us all at a loss to explain it.  Then you couple that with the rise of the evil empire again and it adds further negative emotions. 

 

In truth...I expected this from the Pats this year.  They weren't that bad last year, finishing 7 and 9.   They had a lot of players sit out due to covid and had horrid QB play from Newton.  So...they didn't have to "rebuild."  They had most of the pieces and added a few more with a boatload of cash in the offseason and a competent QB.  That's why it only took them one year.  The Bills on the other hand were building from scratch.  The cupboards were bare when McD and Beane took over.  So...the Bills have built a competitive team over the course of the last 4 years.  They've also been incredibly unlucky this year.  We've had to face the top teams with all their weaponry and we've lost key players heading into big contests.  There was only one team where we were clearly overmatched and that was the Colts.  The other games, the Bills mostly beat themselves either with players not playing up to par, or coaching not being up to par.

 

So...this year my rooting interests are three-fold.  1.  The Bills get to the playoffs.  2.  I do not want to see NE in the SB because I just can't stand the media falling all over themselves over Belichick.  (He is a great coach.  I don't disagree with that.  But he's not the only great coach.  As someone said earlier, the narrative is totally different if one or two plays go our way yesterday.  I actually do agree with McD.  The Bills caused their own demise yesterday.)  3.  I don't want KC to make it to three SBs in a row.  If they do and they get there next year as well...what we as Bills fans have clung to as our only real claim to greatness is negated. 

 

So...that is my Christmas list.  I'll watch games, I'll cheer and I'll keep the faith.  At the end of the day, though, the chips will fall where they may and hopefully the Bills braintrust will learn and keep building.

 

Congrats on your second child, Corta!  So happy that your wife recovered from Covid.  Prayers for your MIL in her battle with cancer.

[colin]

we won 10 games in 19, woudla been 11 but we sat guys in the last game.  we won 13 last year, most we are gonna win this season is 12, and that's with an extra game (and i don't think a single person on this board thinks we are gonna win 12 this season).  Our talent is better than 19, and i don't think you rationally say it is worse (in fact, it is kinda obviously better, less the tre white injury of course) than in 20.

 

all we have done this season is crush cans, snuck one over kc, and gone .500 at home including two total let downs on O, and a total team blow out.  mcD in every season before this year had at least one total run for the bus game (NO when we had tyrod, several in Josh's first season, a couple in 19, tenn kc in the play offs last year, indy this year).  so he's conservative in a way that doesn't prevent blow out knock down losses.

 

allen is easily the best thing on this team, and about 29 or 30 other nfl teams would step over their own mothers to get him.  he's the only reason we did well at all last year and this year.  I agree mcd is coaching poorly this season, but he's the HC and he's on contract, and the D is solid and his shortcomings aside, he's got us this far.  we absolutely need a better offensive coaching staff, and i wouldn't look past upgrading our D staff either.

 

we might not have an overall great roster (not as good as we thought) and it's clearly not balanced or tough, but my goodness our redzone o is just so shockingly our biggest issue that if mcd wants to keep his seat from heating up too much he is going to have to address the O coaching.  i don't think he has the eggs to fire daboll midseason, so it's likely in the offseason.

[corta765]

4 minutes ago, colin said:

we won 10 games in 19, woudla been 11 but we sat guys in the last game.  we won 13 last year, most we are gonna win this season is 12, and that's with an extra game (and i don't think a single person on this board thinks we are gonna win 12 this season).  Our talent is better than 19, and i don't think you rationally say it is worse (in fact, it is kinda obviously better, less the tre white injury of course) than in 20.

 

Agreed. The offense talent wise is certainly more dynamic even with the line play being weaker. The biggest fall is Singletary who year one was sublime but never reached those levels.

 

What really is wild is the Bills are a Josh Allen QB sneak conversion/TD & one good drive vs JAX from being 9-3 even with the Pats loss. The self inflicted pain, poor coaching from in game adjustments to game plan, and truthfully a little bad luck really has hurt this year. If you want to think positively lets say the Bills beat CAR/NYJ/ATL like they should, can you rely on Josh to have one baller game that he wins us TB or NE. I would say yes, but the realist in me sees some area of the lineup hurting his success which costs us that game given how our season has gone. 

[Orlando Tim]

We still are probably gonna make the playoffs and hopefully we get our execution down by then but I am surprised by two things yesterday, one is that McDermott at no point put extra Dlinemen in to force some throws and we did not try to bit any longer throws in the first half. We have a ton of DL and we have Josh, use it better.

[Evian]

The Bills have 5 losses. They were blown out 1x. The other 4 losses were close. This team could easily be 9-3 or 10-2. The problem is they ended two games inside the opponents 20 and did not finish.

 

They need a little confidence. Honestly, they can lose in Tampa as long as they win in New England and roll into the playoffs with 4 straight wins.

 

There is a ton of football left in a year where there is no great team. 

 

Don't count out the Bills yet. Things might just click.

 

 

[corta765]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

We still are probably gonna make the playoffs and hopefully we get our execution down by then but I am surprised by two things yesterday, one is that McDermott at no point put extra Dlinemen in to force some throws and we did not try to bit any longer throws in the first half. We have a ton of DL and we have Josh, use it better.

 

The most disappointing thing for me this season is how vanilla our approaches have been on defense and offense. Like you said given the way the game was go 5-2 and throw the extra d man out there, especially in the wind load the box 9 low and dare Jones to try and throw in that crap. I read BB was going 6 O Lineman last night. Why didn't the Bills do that on a Jet sweep or something with Josh in the redzone on one of the final drives. Virtually no play action, one designed run, no jet sweep, etc.. As I said of the five seasons as coach this is without a doubt the worst job they have done.

[saundena]

I like McDermott- but I don't think he a Superbowl calibre coach.... yet.  We are too inconsistent, make too many costly errors and lack a killers instinct.  I think these are all flaws that start from the top down.  That said, McD is a young guy and supremely bright and I think he will grow and become better and better the more seasoned he gets.  Maybe in the offseason he shuffles his staff a little bit, or tweak's his "Process" (because after all we're not lovable losers any more).  Maybe he needs to be a little harder and let the team know that performances like Dawson Knox had last night won't be tolerated....  Whatever it is I think he'll do what needs to be done even if it's currently outside of his comfort zone. 

 

And so with that belief in mind, I'm hopeful that Terry's & Kim's approach will be to keep the band together for a while (a la Harbaugh, Tomlin, etc) rather that blowing the whole thing up again.  We have a top 5 franchise quarterback that probably hasn't even reached his potential; the hardest thing for any franchise to find.  So it doesn't make sense to blow the whole thing up.  Incremental improvements from McD in a variety of areas will help our team "tighten up" and I do believe there are some low hanging roster moves that will be addressed in the offseason which should help improve our team in 2022.  We definitely aren't the team that we were last year and we've certainly taken a step back; but I believe that all around we have a solid coaching staff and front office, one that is capable of righting the ship. 

 

Keep in mind that for all the years that the Patriots were so good, even they had down years.  10-6 seasons following 14-2 SB wins.  Their last SB win came on the heels of a 11-5 season...  

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

we stink at running and we stink even worse at stopping the run  McDermott can go out and talk about lack of execution but if his gameplan is to let the Pats come out heavy and show nothing else and not have any answer for three quarters.....

 

Roster is not great  Beane hit on Allen  Lot of question marks and obvious whiffs that we'll ride with too long since they are Beane moves. 

 

Basically if Josh plays lights out we can win but he has to play lights out and the team cant blow up around him.  Too many drops, miscues to overcome in that type of weather.

 

Much more frustrated with the defense overall  They faced a one dimensional attack and still could not get off the field

[Nextmanup]

4 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

we stink at running and we stink even worse at stopping the run  McDermott can go out and talk about lack of execution but if his gameplan is to let the Pats come out heavy and show nothing else and not have any answer for three quarters.....

 

Roster is not great  Beane hit on Allen  Lot of question marks and obvious whiffs that we'll ride with too long since they are Beane moves. 

 

Basically if Josh plays lights out we can win but he has to play lights out and the team cant blow up around him.  Too many drops, miscues to overcome in that type of weather.

 

Much more frustrated with the defense overall  They faced a one dimensional attack and still could not get off the field

Josh don'ts have to be "lights out" for our passing offense to work.

 

A few extra passes completed last night and we win the game, despite looking bad for large stretches of it.

We do need to stick with what works---that's passing.  That's what we are built for and that's how the Super Bowl will be won this year.  We can win it throwing like crazy or it will be won by someone else throwing like crazy.

 

If you think a run team is going to win, you're nuts.

 

 

[K-9]

I said in the summer heading into camp that a big challenge for this team would be playing under the weight of raised expectations and that it reminded me of the ‘89 Bills after their AFCC loss to the Bengals in ‘88. Seeing the same kind of inconsistency from this group as we saw in ‘89. Just feels so familiar. 

[billsfan_34]

7 hours ago, Success said:

McD is a good coach. It's easy to look at last night's game and say he got outcoached - and he did - but BB will always be the master.  McD really didn't have a bad strategy or gameplan.  BB's was better - and NE got the breaks that made all of the hindsight analysis more stark.

 

I.e. - if we score on that last drive, the talk today is more about how the Pats might have blown it by not being more aggressive and passing more. That's how it goes in hot take nation.

 

We weren't going to keep sweeping the Pats year after year. The important thing now is to get the split.

 

Bill knew he could run the ball in very bad weather, and he knew we could not. In my opinion it is that simple. Stevenson will be a thorn in our side for years to come as he enters into a feature back role much like Henry.

Edited December 8, 2021 by billsfan_34