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[YoloinOhio]

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Jones is most definitely NOT more accurate. Completion percentage is NOT a measure of accuracy. Crazy things happen at times but the reincarnation of TB12 is NOT at hand. Maybe also try some research on how to measure QB accuracy. Hint, Listen to actual QB's/Coaches talk about it. I'll keep any further replies about my point to the poster it was directed to.

Don’t feed the trolls. If everyone ignored Pats fans, they would go away. Personally I don’t think they add one bit of useful or helpful content to a Bills Board. I know that could be said for a lot of us here but at least we are all pulling for the Bills. Pats fans opinions are biased based solely off the fact they are Pats fans. 

[Jeffbigalls]

1 minute ago, 34-78-83 said:

Jones is most definitely NOT more accurate. Completion percentage is NOT a measure of accuracy. Crazy things happen at times but the reincarnation of TB12 is NOT at hand. Maybe also try some research on how to measure QB accuracy. Hint, Listen to actual QB's/Coaches talk about it. I'll keep any further replies about my point to the poster it was directed to.

Nobody ever said he was going to be as good as Brady, but he's good enough to ruin your little 1 season of success. 

 And he is more accurate than Allen, again the object is to move the ball down the field by any means necessary. And to date Jones has been solid at completing the objective 

It's rather simple. 

[Thriftygamer83]

13 minutes ago, buffalonian said:

Cleveland was without Chubb and Hunt, and Mayfield was injured during the game, FWIW.  

The Browns are running basically a taxi squad right now, there's not much there without injuries, and they are trying.  What's more alarming is how bland play calling is without Dawson Knox.  He's pretty much the elite and level best performer Buffalo has ever had as a tight-end.  We've never had anyone like that who can rotate the playbook as a top-tier blocker and receiver.  I look at the Saints running the same defensive scheme as the Jags and then they had to completely modify it when Knox was healthy.  Imagine how much better we could've been with him in.  Sweeny dropped passes and that just hurt the cause and Dion Dawkins just isn't the same without Knox it.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[FilthyBeast]

29 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

I don't care what kind of passes he is throwing that's irrelevant, the object is to move the ball down the field. Jones is more accurate. Has a higher success rate. And u're absolutely sick right now the pats are 8-4, how could that be? And I just want to say thank you to the bills for allowing Taylor 3+ TD prop to pay out at 66-1. 

Did I mention Mr. Jones is doing this with outside of Henry a bunch of undesirable receivers. Without diggs Allen is playing how he did in 19

 

Not sure if you are a Pats or Bills fan but these type of comments will of course get resistance here because nobody wants to question that a $250M QB is essentially playing at the same level as a rookie QB who costs a fraction of what Allen does.

 

Also another good point that overall Allen has better talent on offense compared to the Patriots. It's just amazing what Jones is doing right now all things considered.

 

I think a harsh reality is coming soon that last year was indeed a fluke for both Allen and this team's overall success and the Pats are about to seize control of the division again for the foreseable future but the good news is that it will expedite moving on from Beane and McDermott who I still believe will never take this team to a championship anyway.

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Nobody ever said he was going to be as good as Brady, but he's good enough to ruin your little 1 season of success. 

 And he is more accurate than Allen, again the object is to move the ball down the field by any means necessary. And to date Jones has been solid at completing the objective 

It's rather simple. 

Are you going to be here all week? You might just want to start your own thread to hype your team up. Especially once the news starts rolling in tomorrow. You are taking up like half the pages in the game week thread. 

Edited November 30, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Gambit]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Are you going to be here all week? You might just want to start your own thread to hype your team up. You are taking up like half the pages in the game week thread. 

I'm hoping after Monday night, we won't be seeing the Pats fans so much. Such obnoxious fans.

[Big Turk]

51 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Well let's see Mac is 3rd in the league with 70.x completion % and Allen is well below and they both have the same 7.5 ypa

 

Who would you rather have as your QB? Case closed.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Who would you rather have as your QB? Case closed.

He’s going to say Mac.

[Jeffbigalls]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Are you going to be here all week? You might just want to start your own thread to hype your team up. Especially once the news starts rolling in tomorrow. You are taking up like half the pages in the game week thread. 

Of course I'll be here, win or lose.

Hey you guys should be happy Nick wright said the bills and Chiefs 2 best teams in AFC lol, probably bases that on bills beating KC, and negates the fact that buffalo has been sub 500 since that mark with wins over Miami, jets and saints. 

 

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Who would you rather have as your QB? Case closed.

Well if he was a pat, we would see 2019 Allen, pre diggs Allen. Subpar Allen. 

And I like what Mac is doing, he just played very well against a Titans defense that was at full strength. I never saw 36 points coming, the Titans d is way more physical than buffalo. I think MJ will be just fine against this bills unit

[mikemac2001]

54 minutes ago, Greg S said:

Pats last 6 games

36-13 over the Titans

25-0 win over the Falcons

45-7 over the Browns

24-6 over the Panthers

27-24 over the Chargers

54-13 over the Jets

 

It's a nice winning streak but the Jets, Panthers, Falcons suck. Mayfield is banged up pretty bad but you have to give them credit in holding the Browns to 7. The team with the best offense on this list scored 24 on them. The Titans were missing so many weapons that they really had no shot. The Bills will probably score around the same amount as the Chargers did. While the Pats 6 game winning streak is impressive many of the teams on that list are not. But it will still be a tough game Monday night.

 

Facts 

 

They played the panthers, falcons, browns and titans all missing key players on offense.

that’s the way it is sometimes we got N.O beat up but titans fully loaded on offense 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Jrb1979]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

Pats last 6 games

36-13 over the Titans

25-0 win over the Falcons

45-7 over the Browns

24-6 over the Panthers

27-24 over the Chargers

54-13 over the Jets

 

It's a nice winning streak but the Jets, Panthers, Falcons suck. Mayfield is banged up pretty bad but you have to give them credit in holding the Browns to 7. The team with the best offense on this list scored 24 on them. The Titans were missing so many weapons that they really had no shot. The Bills will probably score around the same amount as the Chargers did. While the Pats 6 game winning streak is impressive many of the teams on that list are not. But it will still be a tough game Monday night.

 

The Bills aren't much better. They are 3-4  when facing teams other than the Dolphins, Jets and Texans. 

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

I still think they benefited greatly playing the packers without Rodgers that time. Although their defense looked better against the cowboys (it's the cowboys) they are definitely alive and kicking, still have questions about their defense. 

 

to me until otherwise...i say the Chiefs n the Bills and if you want throw the patriots next, cool. But i gotta go with the Chiefs n the Bills because both are the division champs and are still very much alive for SB contention until someone beats them outright. 

Sorry to say, but I have zero confidence in the Bills winning on Monday night.  Belichick knows how to defend the bills.  All he has to do is look at what the Jags, Titans, Steelers, and Colts did to slow down our offense.  Two deep coverage.

 

I hope I am completely wrong.  But I think Monday night's game will be painful to watch.

[Big Turk]

42 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Not sure if you are a Pats or Bills fan but these type of comments will of course get resistance here because nobody wants to question that a $250M QB is essentially playing at the same level as a rookie QB who costs a fraction of what Allen does.

 

Also another good point that overall Allen has better talent on offense compared to the Patriots. It's just amazing what Jones is doing right now all things considered.

 

I think a harsh reality is coming soon that last year was indeed a fluke for both Allen and this team's overall success and the Pats are about to seize control of the division again for the foreseable future but the good news is that it will expedite moving on from Beane and McDermott who I still believe will never take this team to a championship anyway.

 

Because he isn't and will end up getting exposed the longer he is in the league. Dude has a noodle arm. Can't hide it forever.

 

34 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Of course I'll be here, win or lose.

Hey you guys should be happy Nick wright said the bills and Chiefs 2 best teams in AFC lol, probably bases that on bills beating KC, and negates the fact that buffalo has been sub 500 since that mark with wins over Miami, jets and saints. 

 

Well if he was a pat, we would see 2019 Allen, pre diggs Allen. Subpar Allen. 

And I like what Mac is doing, he just played very well against a Titans defense that was at full strength. I never saw 36 points coming, the Titans d is way more physical than buffalo. I think MJ will be just fine against this bills unit

 

Guess we will see. Being physical doesn't equate to better.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Big Turk

[BillsFanSD]

I've been impressed by Mac Jones's play.  He's going to be a good one IMO.

 

Wouldn't trade Allen for him, and it's not a close decision.

[Success]

12 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

You are wrong, he has improved. Each week they are given him more and trusting him more with the offense. If you really were to look at him from week 1 to now. He is a different QB; from his reads to what they are asking him to do. He has always been accurate and efficient. And again, he is not the focal point of the offense. Not because he lacks ability, it's because they are bring him along slowly. It's the same approach they have had with all their QBs.

 

They would do the same if Trevor Lawrence was their QB. You are right he hasn't faced any adversity yet, Monday will be a great test. And i remembered you speaking of his pocket protection before. The Oline has gotten better, but in the first few weeks the line was crap and he was getting killed. And i also remembered you saying "he doesn't roll out" or they do not design roll outs for him. I know you seen they had two for him last week versus the Titans again speaking of how much more they are given him and trusting him with the offense. (notice you haven't seen much trick plays these last few weeks...)

 

In the Titans game the running game was not effective and he was fine making plays and throwing the ball. And there were times he was rushed. He either was able to dump it off in the flat or hit Meyers in the middle of the field right before the sack got there, or even audible to another play. Again speaking of his progression as a QB in that offense....things they couldn't get Cam Newton to do. 

 

I haven't really seen that much improvement, so we'll have to disagree there.  But he was playing well from the start.  His game this past Sunday wasn't that different from earlier games.  Since the Bills weren't playing, I was checking out one of the Pats boards during that game - at halftime, a pretty fair # of fans were dismayed w/ how Mac was playing.  Over the course of the game, he threw what should have been 3 easy picks, including an easy pick 6 in the red zone that the defender just dropped (which would have changed the dynamics of that game).   He rebounded in the 2nd half, but his biggest play was the 10-yarder to a wide open Bourne, that Bourne made a spectacular TD run out of.

 

He's a good QB.  As I keep saying, right now, he's playing like the scouts predicted: most pro-ready and ready to start on day 1, but lowest ceiling.  I've seen comparisons to Garropolo, Dalton & Alex Smith, which I think are all fairly accurate to this point.  He's a game manager.

 

[Jeffbigalls]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Because he isn't and will end up getting exposed the longer he is in the league. Dude has a noodle arm. Can't hide it forever.

 

 

Guess we will see. Being physical doesn't equate to better.

No he won't, wait till he actually has some good skill position players. He is thowing to nobodies even Henry really isn't anyone.

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

I haven't really seen that much improvement, so we'll have to disagree there.  But he was playing well from the start.  His game this past Sunday wasn't that different from earlier games.  Since the Bills weren't playing, I was checking out one of the Pats boards during that game - at halftime, a pretty fair # of fans were dismayed w/ how Mac was playing.  Over the course of the game, he threw what should have been 3 easy picks, including an easy pick 6 in the red zone that the defender just dropped (which would have changed the dynamics of that game).   He rebounded in the 2nd half, but his biggest play was the 10-yarder to a wide open Bourne, that Bourne made a spectacular TD run out of.

 

He's a good QB.  As I keep saying, right now, he's playing like the scouts predicted: most pro-ready and ready to start on day 1, but lowest ceiling.  I've seen comparisons to Garropolo, Dalton & Alex Smith, which I think are all fairly accurate to this point.  He's a game manager.

 

[FilthyBeast]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I've been impressed by Mac Jones's play.  He's going to be a good one IMO.

 

Wouldn't trade Allen for him, and it's not a close decision.

 

He essentially playing at the same level and throwing to a bunch of nobodies outside of the TE position.

 

No Jones doesn't have the arm or mobility that Allen does but neither does Brady and many other great HOF type QB's that have played in this league.

 

All things considered it's mind blowing that the Pats are scoring on 50% of their drives with a rookie QB who people insist is a game manager just 'dinking and dunking' on the field.

[Success]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

He essentially playing at the same level and throwing to a bunch of nobodies outside of the TE position.

 

No Jones doesn't have the arm or mobility that Allen does but neither does Brady and many other great HOF type QB's that have played in this league.

 

All things considered it's mind blowing that the Pats are scoring on 50% of their drives with a rookie QB who people insist is a game manager just 'dinking and dunking' on the field.

 

He can also fix a sandwich in the pocket he has, while Allen is under duress immediately.

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said:

Allen is among the 5 most accurate QB's in the game now. Not sure what the heck you mean there. And he throws far more passes down the field especially in the intermediate range so its not a "that's because he throws a ton of 5 yard passes" kinda thing, AND he does it under great duress from our awful pass blocking O-line on most occasions.

I knew after I wrote that I should have specified.. I meant in bad weather and windy conditions  his accuracy would be off.  Not that he is an inaccurate thrower. 
 

I do believe I quoted a guy saying bad weather make it easy to defend Jones, I was pointing out bad weather makes most QBs easier to defend as all their accuracies go down. 

[Patrick Duffy]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I've been impressed by Mac Jones's play.  He's going to be a good one IMO.

 

Wouldn't trade Allen for him, and it's not a close decision.

I have to agree unfortunately...I definitely found myself eating a plate of crow due to my own predictions of how he would do before season started and early into it. Also think Pats coaches are putting him in the best position to get the most out of him along with coaching him really good in general.

 

As far as "he's going to be a good one", well imo too early to tell. I'm sure Pats fans feel it's looking promising, which they should feel that way, however you never know how it will turn out the next season and so forth.

 

In any event, as of now he has surprised me with his level of play, that's for sure.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[Logic]

1 hour ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Nobody ever said he was going to be as good as Brady, but he's good enough to ruin your little 1 season of success. 

 And he is more accurate than Allen, again the object is to move the ball down the field by any means necessary. And to date Jones has been solid at completing the objective 

It's rather simple. 

Just curious...

Where were you last season? I don't remember you sharing any of these priceless pearls of wisdom during the year we swept you.

 

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I have to agree unfortunately...I definitely found myself eating a plate of crow due to my own predictions of how he would do before season started and early into it. Also think Pats coaches are putting him in the best position to get the most out of him along with coaching him really good in general.

 

As far as "he's going to be a good one", well imo too early to tell. I'm sure Pats fans feel it's looking promising, which they should feel that way, however you never know how it will turn out the next season and so forth.

 

In any event, as of now he has surprised me with his level of play, that's for sure.

 

I spend too much time looking at Pats boards & listening to Bill Simmons' podcasts, but the bolded is definitely an understatement.  Most of them think they have a Montana/Young  situation, and are setting up for another long run w/ 6 more Lombardi's.  It's already a given that he's clearly the best QB from that class.

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

I spend too much time looking at Pats boards & listening to Bill Simmons' podcasts, but the bolded is definitely an understatement.  Most of them think they have a Montana/Young  situation, and are setting up for another long run w/ 6 more Lombardi's.  It's already a given that he's clearly the best QB from that class.

 

 

Lol, yeah I have had the pleasure of coming across some of those type of statements myself.

[AlfaBill]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

Just curious...

Where were you last season? I don't remember you sharing any of these priceless pearls of wisdom during the year we swept you.

 

That’s because he’s a typical Pats* fan. Only around when they win. For all the Bills fans here who seem to be Sooooo worried about the Pats* I don’t think it’ll last. Buffalo beats them up on mnf 

[Johnnycage46]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I spend too much time looking at Pats boards & listening to Bill Simmons' podcasts, but the bolded is definitely an understatement.  Most of them think they have a Montana/Young  situation, and are setting up for another long run w/ 6 more Lombardi's.  It's already a given that he's clearly the best QB from that class.

 

 

 

Why bother when you can just come here...this is quickly turning into a Patriots board.

[Success]

Cripes...our "little one season of success."

 

I'm so glad I'm not a Pats fan.  Teams can actually win too much for their fanbase's good.  

 

[Jrb1979]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/nfl-odds-picks-predictions-experts-bet-patriots-cover-spread-bills-week-13-2021

 

Here is a good unbiased article from a betting site to that gives you an idea what the public is thinking of this game. 

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

That’s because he’s a typical Pats* fan. Only around when they win. For all the Bills fans here who seem to be Sooooo worried about the Pats* I don’t think it’ll last. Buffalo beats them up on mnf 

Hopefully we get OL back in tact along with Star back. Whatever the case, I'm not sure Bills "beat them up" or not, but I think Bills do take care of business at home this time considering how they got embarrassed at home by the Colts. Have a feeling they won't let that happen again....At least I hope not anyways

 

[AlfaBill]

1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Hopefully we get OL back in tact along with Star back. Whatever the case, I'm not sure Bills "beat them up" or not, but I think Bills do take care of business at home this time considering how they got embarrassed at home by the Colts. Have a feeling they won't let that happen again....At least I hope not anyways

 

Ok. Let me back track a bit. Beat them up probably not. But they win convincing and I say this because quite simply the bills are a more talented team and they’ve beaten the Pats the last 3 times?(I think)

[Ghost_002!]

38 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I haven't really seen that much improvement, so we'll have to disagree there.  But he was playing well from the start.  His game this past Sunday wasn't that different from earlier games.  Since the Bills weren't playing, I was checking out one of the Pats boards during that game - at halftime, a pretty fair # of fans were dismayed w/ how Mac was playing.  Over the course of the game, he threw what should have been 3 easy picks, including an easy pick 6 in the red zone that the defender just dropped (which would have changed the dynamics of that game).   He rebounded in the 2nd half, but his biggest play was the 10-yarder to a wide open Bourne, that Bourne made a spectacular TD run out of.

 

He's a good QB.  As I keep saying, right now, he's playing like the scouts predicted: most pro-ready and ready to start on day 1, but lowest ceiling.  I've seen comparisons to Garropolo, Dalton & Alex Smith, which I think are all fairly accurate to this point.  He's a game manager.

 

 

 

I have already mentioned his improvement from week 1 to now. To add he is running the 2 min. drill as oppose to the beginning of the season where they were content with just running the ball and settling for whatever the score was at the point.

 

His best throw was his first TD to Bourne over the defender in the back of the end zone to where only Bourne to get it. Then his sec best was the bomb to Meyers past the defenders miss time jump. Meyers said after that, he was not expecting the ball to come to him because he was only suppose to clear out the defender for Jones to hit whoever underneath. Jones said him and McDaniels talked about going for plays like that, if it looks right to him.

 

and he is only a rookie but somehow people feel they know what his ceiling is, ok.  

Edited November 30, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, AlfaBill said:

Ok. Let me back track a bit. Beat them up probably not. But they win convincing and I say this because quite simply the bills are a more talented team and they’ve beaten the Pats the last 3 times?(I think)

I hope you're right and Bills do win convincingly, however you can't go off anything from last season. Totally different this time around. But Bills definitely are a team that can win convincingly that's for sure...

[Ghost_002!]

18 minutes ago, Success said:

Cripes...our "little one season of success."

 

I'm so glad I'm not a Pats fan.  Teams can actually win too much for their fanbase's good.  

 

 

 

emm...depends. I mean i get a lot from the fan base here to be extremely bothered by the national media, and feeling disrespected. (still haven't read anything yet)

 

i mean it really is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of thing in sports as far as how the national media is going to look at things. It seems like a lot of Bills fans(not everyone)  can't deal with that. (BB and the patriots were getting killed right after Brady won a SB, from the offseason to  their 2-4 record by the national media...then it got turned around).. As i said, win(not just the NE game...) and all that goes away.  I guess.  

Edited November 30, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Chandler#81]

9 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

emm...depends. I mean i get a lot from the fan base here to be extremely bothered by the national media, and feeling disrespected. (still haven't read anything yet)

 

i mean it really is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of thing in sports as far as how the national media is going to look at things. It seems like a lot of Bills fans(not everyone)  can't deal with that. (BB and the patriots were getting killed right after Brady won a SB, from the offseason to  their 2-4 record by the national media...then it got turned around).. As i said, win(not just the NE game...) and all that goes away.  I guess.  

what you’ve done for us lately is hijack the thread and bore the living hell out of us. Please give it a break.

[Ghost_002!]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

what you’ve done for us lately is hijack the thread and bore the living hell out of us. Please give it a break.

 

 

Huh? What exactly am I doing wrong now?

[Mat68]

51 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

He essentially playing at the same level and throwing to a bunch of nobodies outside of the TE position.

 

No Jones doesn't have the arm or mobility that Allen does but neither does Brady and many other great HOF type QB's that have played in this league.

 

All things considered it's mind blowing that the Pats are scoring on 50% of their drives with a rookie QB who people insist is a game manager just 'dinking and dunking' on the field.

Brady after playing in Michigan might be the best cold weather passer.  Bradys arm is on the stronger side of the spectrum. Jones has been as advertised. Lets see when he plays against better defenses.  Does he keep that up or fall back to how he performed earlier in the year in similar circumstances.  I think Jones comes down to earth a bit.  

[Success]

18 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

emm...depends. I mean i get a lot from the fan base here to be extremely bothered by the national media, and feeling disrespected. (still haven't read anything yet)

 

i mean it really is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of thing in sports as far as how the national media is going to look at things. It seems like a lot of Bills fans(not everyone)  can't deal with that. (BB and the patriots were getting killed right after Brady won a SB, from the offseason to  their 2-4 record by the national media...then it got turned around).. As i said, win(not just the NE game...) and all that goes away.  I guess.  

 

I don't care about the hype.  I actually kind of like that the Pats are now being hyped to the moon, while the Bills are barely being mentioned. 

 

What I meant by "I'm glad I'm not a Pats fan" is that right now, I'd prefer to be a fan of a team that is still starting their journey.  Not to generalize, but Pats fans have out-Yankeed Yankees fans in terms of being spoiled & having a sense of entitlement.  Those aren't enviable qualities.

 

Not all of course - but many.

 

[Patrick Duffy]

Wonder if McK is inactive again? Or if they thought Stevenson did enough to stay in?