Week 3: WFT at Bills

[Bangarang]

4 hours ago, nucci said:

They still count, just like Allen's rushing yards

Obviously they still count but that wasn’t the point. They weren’t gashed in the conventional sense of handing the ball off with RBs running through gaping holes. 
 

A QB scrambling outside of the pocket isn’t necessarily on the DL.

[Paul Costa]

No they were RPO’s Bills are pretty good at running those too. Do you get bonus points for running a RB between the tackles? Jones wasn’t scrambling that’s the point 😮

Edited September 24, 2021 by Paul Costa

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

 

Yes in 2019 on windy days vs Philly and Baltimore in Orchard Park, Allen was lousy and the opposing QB's had better games.  Last year in not ideal weather games vs. New England and KC, he was not all that good.   So there's my concern.

Those that aren’t worried in the least are oblivious.

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Those that aren’t worried in the least are oblivious.

 

Yeah it's kinda weird. It was said that he would be able to throw in that better than others due to his arm strength. It's been giving him trouble so far though.

[Norcalbillsfan]

I think the wft is better than the spread, but with that being said brisset and tua were absolutely running for their lives against our rush. I think we give Heineke a tough day if we carry that over. Heineke isn't a scrub but he's definitely not good enough to avoid the rush and beat you like a lamar or mahomes. Really love to see josh do some play action get comfortable with some easy throws.

[CuseBill]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

Yes in 2019 on windy days vs Philly and Baltimore in Orchard Park, Allen was lousy and the opposing QB's had better games.  Last year in not ideal weather games vs. New England and KC, he was not all that good.   So there's my concern.

Thank you for that scientific, statistically based analysis.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Happy to see Gabe back to full participant. 

 

Feel like he's been missing.

he needs to Be getting a lot of the targets going to E Sanders. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Half of those yards came from Jones though

Still count

[The Firebaugh Kid]

23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’ll see it when I believe it 

It is pretty cool that their quarterback drinks fine european lager in green bottles that smell like skunky weed. 

[YoloinOhio]

30 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

he needs to Be getting a lot of the targets going to E Sanders. 

If defenses keep bracketing diggs and beasely the targets will be there for both of them plus Knox 

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Still count

I’ve already addressed this. Of course they still count. But the original point was criticizing the DL for the amount of rushing yards. My argument is that it’s hard to put all those yards solely on the DL considering more than half of them were from Jones running. 
 

If a DL pushes the pocket and forces a QB to scramble and pick up 40 yards with his legs are we going to say the DL got gashed? 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

If a DL pushes the pocket and forces a QB to scramble and pick up 40 yards with his legs are we going to say the DL got gashed?

I agree, I mean it happens all the time. A QB will be pressured with the WR's covered and will get loose. In the end they still say "Bills defense or DL gave up how ever many yards rushing" 

 

But yeah, I agree you can't blame the DL like that and just say they got gashed.

[Stank_Nasty]

6 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I’ve already addressed this. Of course they still count. But the original point was criticizing the DL for the amount of rushing yards. My argument is that it’s hard to put all those yards solely on the DL considering more than half of them were from Jones running. 
 

If a DL pushes the pocket and forces a QB to scramble and pick up 40 yards with his legs are we going to say the DL got gashed? 

Not only that but Barkley had a 40 yard scamper and the other 12 carries went for 16 yds…. Allen’s arm needs to get right…. like yesterday. 

[Patrick Duffy]

8 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Not only that but Barkley had a 40 yard scamper and the other 12 carries went for 16 yds…. Allen’s arm needs to get right…. like yesterday. 

Feel like it's a good chance he gets it going this game.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I’ve already addressed this. Of course they still count. But the original point was criticizing the DL for the amount of rushing yards. My argument is that it’s hard to put all those yards solely on the DL considering more than half of them were from Jones running. 
 

If a DL pushes the pocket and forces a QB to scramble and pick up 40 yards with his legs are we going to say the DL got gashed? 

Thought they were RPOs not scrambles for the most part

[YattaOkasan]

26 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I’ve already addressed this. Of course they still count. But the original point was criticizing the DL for the amount of rushing yards. My argument is that it’s hard to put all those yards solely on the DL considering more than half of them were from Jones running. 
 

If a DL pushes the pocket and forces a QB to scramble and pick up 40 yards with his legs are we going to say the DL got gashed? 

I can see your point but if the DL doesn’t rush with contain in mind it is on them.  I blame the DL for how Murray and tannehill tore us up last year. 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

he needs to Be getting a lot of the targets going to E Sanders. 

 I hope you like me quoting you as much as I do. 

 

Though this picture is kinda meh

Edited September 25, 2021 by The Wiz

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 I hope you like me quoting you as much as I do. 

 

Though this picture is kinda meh

I like it, but I set you up too well! 

[Chandler#81]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It’s also weird that the media and fans alike talk about him being able to play in the wind and bad conditions because of his strong arm when in all honestly the games he has played in this conditions he’s been bad…. The myth of Allen being some sort of good bad weather QB grows greater by the day. 

Ha! Myth. That’s rich! The kid made national news, quarterbacking no less than at Wyoming, a polar outpost if ever there was one. So much so, he was a Top 10 pick we had to dismantle an entire team to garner enough Draft capital to move up from playoff status to land. 
No one thinks he can stand in the teeth of 50 mph wind in blizzard conditions and complete 70% while throwing for 400 yards. But I’ll take him over ANY other QB in that scenario.

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

Calf injury last week.  
 

Hurts his groin while stretching…..

 

who would’ve thought. 

 

In his career, prior to this year, he played in 108 games. He’s missed 4 games.

after sitting out a year.  He’s missed 1 of 2 and has two reported injuries already.  

 

 

 

So, you're saying he's missed a game?

 

Wow, that's really shocking. I know no other players miss a game, so we should really be deeply concerned about this. Also critical and hateful. I personally am sharpening the tines of my pitchfork as I write.

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2021 by Thurman#1

[newcam2012]

Terry McLaurin is the best receiver for WFT. Wondering if Tre is going to shadow him? Usually the Bills don't employ this strategy. However, outside of McLaurin the WFT doesn't have a lot of WR threats. I think it would be a good idea to have Tre shadow him. Any thoughts?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I think it’s time to get Allen moving again. Last year was great and maybe felt a little to good to be true at times. But teams figure things out about you over the long off-season. What made Josh special was his ability to run like a deer and then also hurt you down field. It would be like if Lamar Jackson could actually pass the ball efficiently outside the numbers. There is no formula for stopping a guy like that. We seem to have fallen into this drop back, pocket passing offense. We are purposely removing an element of Allen’s game. The one that made him the most special IMO. Josh isn’t going to be Drew Brees. Just in the same way you wouldn’t ask Peyton Manning to run the read option, don’t coach the specialness out of Allen. Let him play the game he’s consistently best at and sprinkle in elements of last year’s offense. I would much rather see a hybrid of 19/20. More of the look of the 2019 with the weapons and skill set of 2020. The best of both worlds. Less spread 5 WR throwing every down and more conventional looks, play action and balance. It may not look as good on the stat sheet all the time but that’s when this team is at its best IMO.

[newcam2012]

40 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I think it’s time to get Allen moving again. Last year was great and maybe felt a little to good to be true at times. But teams figure things out about you over the long off-season. What made Josh special was his ability to run like a deer and then also hurt you down field. It would be like if Lamar Jackson could actually pass the ball efficiently outside the numbers. There is no formula for stopping a guy like that. We seem to have fallen into this drop back, pocket passing offense. We are purposely removing an element of Allen’s game. The one that made him the most special IMO. Josh isn’t going to be Drew Brees. Just in the same way you wouldn’t ask Peyton Manning to run the read option, don’t coach the specialness out of Allen. Let him play the game he’s consistently best at and sprinkle in elements of last year’s offense. I would much rather see a hybrid of 19/20. More of the look of the 2019 with the weapons and skill set of 2020. The best of both worlds. Less spread 5 WR throwing every down and more conventional looks, play action and balance. It may not look as good on the stat sheet all the time but that’s when this team is at its best IMO.

You make some good points. I'm not a huge fan of the no back 5 WR formation. I believe the Bills should present defenses with a threat of a run game, should do a little more RPOs to keep teams honest, and roll out Allen more. He can improvise which is a skill set of his. Lastly, a little less of Allen just running up the gut and between tackles. If Allen gets back to last years form it's hard not to let him sit back and rip the ball accurately to his talented receivers. Can't wait to see Allen get his swagger back. Hoping the Wash game will be the perfect storm.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Fun little side note Tony Corrente who I believe is handling our game  this week leads his peers with Two taunting penalties called through two weeks. Got to be smart out there. 

[eball]

5 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Fun little side note Tony Corrente who I believe is handling our game  this week leads his peers with Two taunting penalties called through two weeks. Got to be smart out there. 

 

I’m pretty sure Levi’s penalty last week was used as a “teaching point” this week.

[Stank_Nasty]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Terry McLaurin is the best receiver for WFT. Wondering if Tre is going to shadow him? Usually the Bills don't employ this strategy. However, outside of McLaurin the WFT doesn't have a lot of WR threats. I think it would be a good idea to have Tre shadow him. Any thoughts?

He’s done it in the past depending on the weekly game plan. I remember he did an in depth film session with Kurt Warner after the Dallas game in which he talked about drawing up Cooper for the duration of that game. If I remember correctly he basically shut him down. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Terry McLaurin is the best receiver for WFT. Wondering if Tre is going to shadow him? Usually the Bills don't employ this strategy. However, outside of McLaurin the WFT doesn't have a lot of WR threats. I think it would be a good idea to have Tre shadow him. Any thoughts?

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Stank_Nasty]

41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Good stuff. I will add that I think McLaurin has leveled up since this matchup. But I’m confident in our guy. He’s answered the bell whenever called upon to follow a wr. 
 

I’m interested to see how Milano/Edmunds handle the Gibson/Riddick and Thomas stuff underneath and down the middle. 

Edited September 25, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I have a feeling our defense will face a lot of screens. Those worked by the Steelers, and it will slow down our pass rush. Gotta stay disciplined. 

[uninja]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

TIL that adult football players got PBJs on the ready for snacks at halftime. Here I’m thinking football players are all strategizing for the second half and it’s just a bunch of 200+lb dudes eating PBJs and drinking juice boxes. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

7 minutes ago, uninja said:

TIL that adult football players got PBJs on the ready for snacks at halftime. Here I’m thinking football players are all strategizing for the second half and it’s just a bunch of 200+lb dudes eating PBJs and drinking juice boxes. 

Eli made an interesting observation about halftime the other night. He said that it takes an eternity to walk across the field and into the locker rooms, and for the coaches in the booth to come down too. So, basically, at halftime, you go to the bathroom, eat some oranges, and talk to the coaches for less than 2 minutes, and then they tell you to get back out on the field.  

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

So, you're saying he's missed a game?

 

Wow, that's really shocking. I know no other players miss a game, so we should really be deeply concerned about this. Also critical and hateful. I personally am sharpening the tines of my pitchfork as I write.

 

 

 

I’m saying the same thing that I’ve been saying all along. That a 31 year old 1T that sat out a year is more likely to get hurt than others.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

🤔 is that good?

[Chandler#81]

It isn’t bad

[dave mcbride]

14 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It’s also weird that the media and fans alike talk about him being able to play in the wind and bad conditions because of his strong arm when in all honestly the games he has played in this conditions he’s been bad…. The myth of Allen being some sort of good bad weather QB grows greater by the day. 

Well, given that we’re facing Washington, it’s worth mentioning that he played well in a quite windy game vs them in 2019. Average 18 mph winds with gusts higher than that, and a passer rating of 110.4 (70 percent completion rate). https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201911030buf.htm

 

He also played well vs Denver in similar conditions. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201911240buf.htm

Edited September 25, 2021 by dave mcbride

[twist_to_open]

2 hours ago, uninja said:

TIL that adult football players got PBJs on the ready for snacks at halftime. Here I’m thinking football players are all strategizing for the second half and it’s just a bunch of 200+lb dudes eating PBJs and drinking juice boxes. 

Not really the same thing, but when my son played college football, he ate 6-8 PBJs a day. Helped keep his weight, high protein and gives you energy.

[TBBills]

49 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

🤔 is that good?

Everyone ready for the Bills to bring out the reason why Fitz started over Heinicke

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Everyone ready for the Bills to bring out the reason why Fitz started over Heinicke

lol

 

yeah.  Head on a swivel