2021 Bills vs Twitter

[ROCBillsBeliever]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

No, Jim

Got it. Rob is a bud of mine who is a huge Bills fan, but I didn't know if he was on here. Lots of folks call him Nucci, so I figured it was worth a shot.

[Rico]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Really.  If there was one guy whose opinion would sway me to do the exact opposite of anything he supports, that would be O.J.

His credibility on the matter is more than equal to anyone on this board IMO.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

His credibility on the matter is more than equal to anyone on this board IMO.

 

Well that clears a lot of things up

[transplantbillsfan]

16 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

This is absurd. A 1000 Yd wr, that’s a top 3 slot man in the NFL and you won’t be upset when we cut him? Because of some dumb Twitter BS? Sorry, but that’s complete garbage IMO. 
 

I think Beasley looks ridiculous right now. I find most of what he’s saying very off putting. But with that being said, let’s not get things twisted. This dude gutted through 3 games with a freaking broken leg. Plenty wouldn’t have. The man loves the game and his teammates. The bills are a lesser team without him. Hands down. 

 

I love Beasley and prefer him on the team... but I also think our WR corps would still be very good without him if Diggs, Sanders and Davis were our top 3 WRs. Plus I think Allen is going to start becoming that QB who elevates another WR or 2 into surprise production territory.

 

Beasley can simultaneously be a great slot WR and too much of a headache to keep on a team with some good talent in the WR room... and I think that is the case.

[transplantbillsfan]

12 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

There is zero evidence Allen has done anything behind the scenes.  Nothing has leaked out. 

 

I've been reading your posts in this thread and these 2 sentences capture the combination of ignorance and lunacy in every single one of them.

[JerseyBills]

31 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I love Beasley and prefer him on the team... but I also think our WR corps would still be very good without him if Diggs, Sanders and Davis were our top 3 WRs. Plus I think Allen is going to start becoming that QB who elevates another WR or 2 into surprise production territory.

 

Beasley can simultaneously be a great slot WR and too much of a headache to keep on a team with some good talent in the WR room... and I think that is the case.

We'd be losing a 2nd team ALL Pro WR that strictly plays slot, that's rare !

You can't just plug anybody into his role and expect the same success.  

And as Beez said on Twitter,  the slot is huge in this O. Just think how many 1st downs he got us , he was a 1st down machine,  especially on 3rd down, he's elite out there. 

This culture and leadership is strong. 

We'll be fine , Beez isn't going nowhere

[Bad Things]

I'm putting this all squarely on Beasley.

It's a real shame.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

We'd be losing a 2nd team ALL Pro WR that strictly plays slot, that's rare !

You can't just plug anybody into his role and expect the same success.  

And as Beez said on Twitter,  the slot is huge in this O. Just think how many 1st downs he got us , he was a 1st down machine,  especially on 3rd down, he's elite out there. 

This culture and leadership is strong. 

We'll be fine , Beez isn't going nowhere

 

Losing him would be a blow. I think it is more likely he is still here but at the moment he is saying he won't get vacced and won't follow the protocols for unvacced. If that doesn't change then he ain't gonna be here.

[BarleyNY]

18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh, for Toast Sake.  What does "behind the scenes" mean to you?  It means "behind the scenes", by its very nature out of public view.  Yes, there's zero evidence Allen has done anything behind the scenes, but there's likewise zero evidence he hasn't.  Absence of leaks in a locker room that prefers to keep stuff "in house" does not mean absence of action.  That's plain and simply, illogical and if I may say so, I do expect a bit better from you.   Painting me as "far removed from facts and logic" is ironic, here.

 

Allen is a leader of grown-ass men over whom his only authority is the respect they voluntarily grant him due to his character and abilities.  That does not translate to absolute authority or the ability to tell an older, more senior player "Get off Twitter, Now, Because", especially during the off-season. 

Which this still is.

Being a leader sometimes means hearing people and trying to understand their concerns, whether or not you agree (and Allen may agree, that doesn't mean he's not a leader either).  Sometimes it means letting them have their "cri de coeur".  Sometimes it means influencing by demonstrating with your own behavior and ignoring behavior you're trying to eliminate, while praising behavior you're trying to encourage.  There are freaking books about this stuff, and there's no one way.

Dude, enjoy your fantasy world

[Boxcar]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I love Beasley and prefer him on the team... but I also think our WR corps would still be very good without him if Diggs, Sanders and Davis were our top 3 WRs. Plus I think Allen is going to start becoming that QB who elevates another WR or 2 into surprise production territory.

 

Beasley can simultaneously be a great slot WR and too much of a headache to keep on a team with some good talent in the WR room... and I think that is the case.

I don't know how anyone can watch last season and say with a straight face that we'll be just fine without Beasley. We are a significantly worse offense without him. I like Davis as much as the next guy, but a big part of how he got open was because the other team had to worry about Diggs and Beasley, and broken coverage. Beasley was to third downs what Davante Adams was to goal line offense, automatic. He gets insane separation in 2-3 seconds and catches everything thrown his way. I understand people don't like...stuff...about him, but separate that from his football ability.

[Rockpile233]

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Beasley, not because of his opinion, but for this highly public tantrum he is throwing. Welcome to the conundrum most normal working people face with their employers. Hopefully this is all squashed at training camp.

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Beasley, not because of his opinion, but for this highly public tantrum he is throwing. Welcome to the conundrum most normal working people face with their employers. Hopefully this is all squashed at training camp.

As much as I agree with him, but want him to chill out on social media, your post actually makes me respect what he’s doing a bit more…. The average Joe Worker doesn’t have the platform, or financial ability, to fight back against EUA vaccine mandates from their employer.  The only chance they have is for high profile people to push back.   

[K-9]

14 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Oh good.  I was wondering what OJ thought.

 

 

Oh man, it ain’t good when the likes of OJ Simpson is throwing shade on you. 

[Rockpile233]

22 minutes ago, SCBills said:

As much as I agree with him, but want him to chill out on social media, your post actually makes me respect what he’s doing a bit more…. The average Joe Worker doesn’t have the platform, or financial ability, to fight back against EUA vaccine mandates from their employer.  The only chance they have is for high profile people to push back.   

Neither do these players. There are hundreds in line behind them and I will watch no matter who is on the field, like most football fans. 
 

If Cole wants to destroy his career over this he’s free to, but just don’t be a distraction from winning games. I’m hopeful he tones it down this week.

Edited July 25, 2021 by Rockpile233

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Rockpile233 said:

Neither do these players. There are hundreds in line behind them and I will watch no matter who is on the field, like most football fans. 

Maybe that’s why people like Cole, Hopkins, Ramsey etc., are speaking out.  
 

Josh Allen can do whatever he wants.  We all know that.  Backup linebackers trying to make the team on special teams ability, not so much…. And especially not so much given the NFL’s new rules. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Maybe that’s why people like Cole, Hopkins, Ramsey etc., are speaking out.  
 

Josh Allen can do whatever he wants.  We all know that.  Backup linebackers trying to make the team on special teams ability, not so much…. And especially not so much given the NFL’s new rules. 

Dak, Tyler Lockett, etc….

it’s almost like these are grown men making their own decisions and no amount of “be like me, everyone!” from certain QBs or coaches to their team is going to change their minds. It’s a very delicate situation. 

Edited July 25, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[The Firebaugh Kid]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Oh man, it ain’t good when the likes of OJ Simpson is throwing shade on you. 

Seriously, nobody cares what OJ thinks. Dude should be rotting in prison. 

[Mango]

On 7/23/2021 at 1:50 PM, YoloinOhio said:

I miss the days when they were arguing whether a hot dog was a sandwich 

Plot twist, a hotdog is an American taco. Change my mind. 

[Boxcar]

3 hours ago, K-9 said:

Oh man, it ain’t good when the likes of OJ Simpson is throwing shade on you. 

Oh yes, you know you've goofed when a murdering criminal opens his mouth. Definitely someone you should take seriously when it comes to ethical and moral conduct.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

As much as I agree with him, but want him to chill out on social media, your post actually makes me respect what he’s doing a bit more…. The average Joe Worker doesn’t have the platform, or financial ability, to fight back against EUA vaccine mandates from their employer.  The only chance they have is for high profile people to push back.   

 

Except that there is no mandate, so he isn't fighting a mandate.  Beasley and other NFL players are allowed to CHOOSE whether or not to get the vaccine.

 

Then there are alternative rules to follow.

 

He is saying "I want choice 3: No vaccine, AND No rules". 

 

Good luck with that, we all have rules to follow at work.

[Boxcar]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

Plot twist, a hotdog is an American taco. Change my mind. 

Yeah, definitely a taco if you define a taco as any type of bread surrounding any type of meat.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Except that there is no mandate, so he isn't fighting a mandate.  Beasley and other NFL players are allowed to CHOOSE whether or not to get the vaccine.

 

Then there are alternative rules to follow.

 

He is saying "I want choice 3: No vaccine, AND No rules". 

 

I have problems with the rules, as stated elsewhere.  I question how effective they will be given the predominant variant.

But Beasley isn't focusing on perceived problems with the rules keeping unvaxxed players safe either, he's all over the place

So it's coming across more as an "I Don't Want To!" tantrum than a brave fight against rules that might not make sense.

 

JMO.

 

 

 

 

 

I actually agree with what he said, but because of who he is and what he's done, ^^^^THIS

Well, I agree with Beasley that players should be able to do what they want regardless of whether they get the vaccine or not. 
 

I’d just rather he not go ranting multiple times throughout the summer and, instead, make a statement here and there like many other NFL players have done. 

[Boxcar]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Except that there is no mandate, so he isn't fighting a mandate.  Beasley and other NFL players are allowed to CHOOSE whether or not to get the vaccine.

 

Then there are alternative rules to follow.

 

He is saying "I want choice 3: No vaccine, AND No rules". 

 

Good luck with that, we all have rules to follow at work.

There is a large push at this very moment to mandate vaccines. It's always been creeping towards that end, so I'm definitely not gonna rule it out.

[Deadstroke]

On 7/24/2021 at 8:24 AM, Stank_Nasty said:

This is absurd. A 1000 Yd wr, that’s a top 3 slot man in the NFL and you won’t be upset when we cut him? Because of some dumb Twitter BS? Sorry, but that’s complete garbage IMO. 
 

I think Beasley looks ridiculous right now. I find most of what he’s saying very off putting. But with that being said, let’s not get things twisted. This dude gutted through 3 games with a freaking broken leg. Plenty wouldn’t have. The man loves the game and his teammates. The bills are a lesser team without him. Hands down. 

You must know, though, that a lot of Beasley's great stats last year were due to Josh's tremendous advancements in finding and hitting the open man.  Lots of good receivers become open for certain points in their routes, and it's up to the QB to learn how to hit him at that point; Josh has.  In short, IMO while Beasley is very good, he can be suitably replaced without a great downgrade in passing efficiency.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Seriously, nobody cares what OJ thinks. Dude should be rotting in prison. 

Precisely why it can’t be good to have the likes of him throwing shade. 

[Stank_Nasty]

22 minutes ago, Deadstroke said:

You must know, though, that a lot of Beasley's great stats last year were due to Josh's tremendous advancements in finding and hitting the open man.  Lots of good receivers become open for certain points in their routes, and it's up to the QB to learn how to hit him at that point; Josh has.  In short, IMO while Beasley is very good, he can be suitably replaced without a great downgrade in passing efficiency.

Replacing “very good” doesn’t just… happen. Beasley is one of the very best at what he does. Hands down. People are being way too dramatic about his social media tantrums around here. If I’m on that team his Twitter rants change nothing about my preparation and I want him out there on Sundays. 
 

… Josh makes the jump and now all of a sudden we can just start tossing his best weapons? That’s absurd to me. 

[Motorin']

4 hours ago, Rockpile233 said:

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Beasley, not because of his opinion, but for this highly public tantrum he is throwing. Welcome to the conundrum most normal working people face with their employers. Hopefully this is all squashed at training camp.

 

Dude needs to take his own advice and get off Twitter and focus on football.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

59 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Well, I agree with Beasley that players should be able to do what they want regardless of whether they get the vaccine or not. 
 

I’d just rather he not go ranting multiple times throughout the summer and, instead, make a statement here and there like many other NFL players have done. 

 

And some people probably agreed with the workers at GM Tonawanda last summer who didn't want to wear masks all shift on the un-AC'd plant floor.

But those were the rules that the Union and GM agreed to, so the workers who felt strongly enough about it could either follow the rules, retire, or quit.

 

All employers have rules.  If you don't like the rules strongly enough that you don't want to follow them, retire or quit.  That's how it is in every profession.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Boxcar said:

There is a large push at this very moment to mandate vaccines. It's always been creeping towards that end, so I'm definitely not gonna rule it out.

 

The point is, it’s not what we’re talking about here with regard to NFL players and the NFL

[Boxcar]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Precisely why it can’t be good to have the likes of him throwing shade. 

It's kind of like Bernie Madoff chastising someone for skimming money. I didn't need OJ to tell me that Cole is doing himself and his team a disservice by not just shutting up.

 

What really bothers me is when Beasley airs stuff that could and should be private conversations, but weirdly makes them public for some reason. If he wants to talk, then talk I guess, but bringing teammates into the public conversation is not a wise move.

 

The world just sucks right now.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

Dude needs to take his own advice and get off Twitter and focus on football.

 

 

 

I wonder why?

 

Well this clears up one thing:

 

McDermott, you got a problem

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Well, I agree with Beasley that players should be able to do what they want regardless of whether they get the vaccine or not. 
 

 

Honestly Beasley's position has become even more selfish and ignorant over the last few weeks with the rise of the Delta variant, which has a significantly increased ability to infect even vaccinated people. People who are unvaccinated are much more likely to get infected and exponentially more likely to be hospitalized or die, but those things are still possible even among the vaccinated.

 

The position of "no rules or restrictions for me if I'm unvaccinated because it's my body and my choice" is utterly ridiculous because you naturally become more of a risk to spread infection to your teammates who took it upon themselves to get the vaccine.

 

Cole needs to do 1 of 3 things:

 

1) Shut the ***** up and get the vaccine

 

2) Shut the ***** up and abide by the rules for the unvaccinated 

 

3) Retire and complain all he wants

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

 

I wonder why?

 

Well this clears up one thing:

 

McDermott, you got a problem

 

Part of me thinks he's going to push his "no restrictions" attitude inside the building when camp starts and will refuse to follow the rules setup for unvaccinated players during Training Camp.

 

I hope not, but it wouldn't shock me.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I follow the Bills fairly closely, but not other teams and the NFL at nearly the same level.

 

Just curious, are the Bills unique in that it's gone to the level of players fighting players/teammates on Twitter over this?  This is the type of thing that can tear a team apart. 

 

Reminds me of the time a number of years back think it was basketball where the one player was sleeping with teammates wife created quite the division within the team.  Similar issue with the Yankees in the 60's but in that case two players just swapped wives, so no one was all that upset at the time.  Just needed to remember the new way home.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Boxcar said:

Yeah, definitely a taco if you define a taco as any type of bread surrounding any type of meat.

So A sandwich?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Deadstroke said:

You must know, though, that a lot of Beasley's great stats last year were due to Josh's tremendous advancements in finding and hitting the open man.  Lots of good receivers become open for certain points in their routes, and it's up to the QB to learn how to hit him at that point; Josh has.  In short, IMO while Beasley is very good, he can be suitably replaced without a great downgrade in passing efficiency.

 

I disagree.  I think Beasley has exceptional abilities to get open and to reliably make high degree of difficulty catches in traffic.

 

But given his age, he’s going to have to be replaced at some point soon.  One viewpoint is might as well audition guys while we have Sanders as a choice, provided he and Josh can get on the same page.

[LeGOATski]

32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I disagree.  I think Beasley has exceptional abilities to get open and to reliably make high degree of difficulty catches in traffic.

 

But given his age, he’s going to have to be replaced at some point soon.  One viewpoint is might as well audition guys while we have Sanders as a choice, provided he and Josh can get on the same page.

I've been rewatching the whole season with Game Pass and I am constantly reminded of how valuable Bease is. What an amazing option to have in the slot. The dude is just as clutch as Josh. He absolutely torched Patrick Peterson off the line for a TD against AZ. 

 

Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, and Davis is such an awesome WR corps. Best passing game in the league as it stands now.

[CheshireCT]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

Part of me thinks he's going to push his "no restrictions" attitude inside the building when camp starts and will refuse to follow the rules setup for unvaccinated players during Training Camp.

 

I hope not, but it wouldn't shock me.

That’s pretty much what he’s been saying he’s going to do. In that scenario, the team has no choice but to cut him, since they would likely be held responsible for him breaking the protocols. We’ve all seen what the league does in those circumstances. They start with fines, and then they start seizing draft picks.

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

That’s pretty much what he’s been saying he’s going to do. In that scenario, the team has no choice but to cut him, since they would likely be held responsible for him breaking the protocols. We’ve all seen what the league does in those circumstances. They start with fines, and then they start seizing draft picks.

He's painted himself into a corner. What a waste of a great situation with the Bills. It wasn't too long ago that he was unhappy with his situation in Dallas.

[The_Ripster]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I follow the Bills fairly closely, but not other teams and the NFL at nearly the same level.

 

Just curious, are the Bills unique in that it's gone to the level of players fighting players/teammates on Twitter over this?  This is the type of thing that can tear a team apart. 

 

Reminds me of the time a number of years back think it was basketball where the one player was sleeping with teammates wife created quite the division within the team.  Similar issue with the Yankees in the 60's but in that case two players just swapped wives, so no one was all that upset at the time.  Just needed to remember the new way home.

I think DeAndre Hopkins was upset with the new protocols and so was Matthew Judon.