Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire

[Big Turk]

Oh please...stop the overreactions.  Nobody is retiring and I am pretty sure the Bills will be over the necessary threshold for team meetings and activities. And if they aren't it won't be Beasley on the chopping block.  

[Southern_Bills]

2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

No, that's not the case at all. That's some desperate ploy you're clinging to and it's wrong. Please stop trying to gaslight. You're not good at it.

 

1) Vaccinated people still wear masks. For example, where I live in Texas, you can't go to the grocery store without a mask regardless of vaccination status. 

2) If he is unvaccinated, then he's following the protocols that he agreed to...

 

I happen to agree with all of this except point 2. He didn't agree to them obviously. His union reps did.

 

I do agree people are upset he refuses to follow the protocol for the most part.

 

 

[Frat-Train]

Cole Beasley out here trying to distract us from how long it’s taking to make an Avatar sequel...   yep

 

 

 

[Malazan]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

so...are we against Cole stating why he is not getting vaccinated...or that he is not getting vaccinated. Cause JA 17 aint getting vaccinated either...

 

and we okay with that because he not stating why in public? 

 

Learn to deal with JA 17 not getting vaxxed

 

I know you're being purposely obtuse, but I'll still take the bait.

 

No one is arguing about vaccination status except you. 

 

Do you understand the difference between vaccination status and saying you won't follow protocols because you are unvaccinated? Why do you refuse to answer this question? 

 

 

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Good luck with that!

 

Employers have every right so set protocols for unvaccinated people. It's being done all over the country. NFL is no different. 

 

Employees have every right to voluntarily provide proof of vaccination to avoid said protocols. 

 

If they don't provide vaccination, and they refuse to follow protocols that are set, which Cole is insisting he will do, you think he can sue if he gets shown the door?

 

This is the real world, that's not how things work.

Getting your children into public schools has worked that way for decades. It’s weird how almost everyone is completely cool with that. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Well, then let him retire.

 

I don't know how the protocols are all that unreasonable. I'm obviously late to this discussion, but I assume he's 100% serious???

 

I love Beasely as a player, but he's turning himself into a pretty bad distraction this offseason. He would be missed, but how much longer will he be with the team, anyway?

 

I hope this blows over, but if he's serious, he should retire because I don't see the protocols changing.

 

Are people here arguing that they're somehow unreasonable?

[Malazan]

Just now, Southern_Bills said:

I happen to agree with all of this except point 2. He didn't agree to them obviously. His union reps did.

 

I do agree people are upset he refuses to follow the protocol for the most part.

 

by being part of a union, you're agreeing to let them negotiate on your behalf because when leveraged with other people give you greater leverage. Cole agreed to this and a majority of players agreed to this. Now that it is a conclusion he doesn't like, he is saying he won't adhere to it. He signed documents to that effect. 

 

Are you advocating that he didn't understand what he was agreeing to by joining the NFLPA?

[Southern_Bills]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

You’re missing a lot of things.

 

Please inform me, potential is a possibility, a guarantee is where it is 100%.

 

Are you sure I'm the one missing something?

[GLP]

6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

If he's just talking about not following the restrictions outside the team facilities, going out meeting with family and what not if that being restricted is still a thing, then I don't really care, it's not restricted for just about anyone else I don't think, but if he's not going to follow the restrictions within the facilities then this is awfully hypocritical forcing his decision on everyone else around him there.

He's a crybaby who should just man-up and get vaccinated. I've been vaccinated (2 shots) it's NO big deal. If he doesn't want to abide by the NFL rules then he should retire NOW so we have time to find a replacement for an idiot WR!

[JaCrispy]

7 hours ago, prissythecat said:

Can’t imagine many players will back up Cole’s stance .  It’s fine to choose not to get vaccinated as it’s a personal choice .   But then to say that you won’t follow social distancing requirements is idiotic .

I think it’s a little more than that...the restrictions against unvaccinated players borders on “solitary confinement”, imo...the penalties seem extraordinarily over the top, to try and coax the players into getting “the poke”...
 

It would suck if he retired, but I like the activism...👍

Edited June 19, 2021 by JaCrispy

[CincyBillsFan]

20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Your going down the rabbit hole now…. Has there ever been a virus in our history that is transmitted without people having symptoms? 

I actually forgot to answer your question in my first response.  This is actually a good point you're making and is a classic what comes first the chicken or the egg type question.

 

Testing has confirmed that many virus can be passed from asymptomatic people to others.  The caveat is that in most of these cases the virus remains at very low levels in the person it transferred to and they also are asymptomatic or suffer only minor symptoms. This is how herd immunity is quickly generated in human populations.

 

During flu season if we were to test EVERYONE we would find asymptomatic spread.  But we generally restrict our testing to symptomatic people.  For covid the fear of the virus made the simple fact of catching the virus a problematic endpoint. Yet for the vast amount of people symptoms were slight or not apparent. It didn't help that our tests were to sensitive for practical public health actions.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that those with symptoms are far more contagious then those without.  And not only are they more contagious but their overt symptoms lead to their delivering higher doses of the virus to those they infect.

 

Bottom line is that quarantining symptomatic folk would have been the most logical, effective and importantly least disruptive way to deal with covid.  Spoken in hindsight of course.

 

 

 

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, I can see that, from your POV.

 

My point is that he's very publicly creating a horrid dilemma for his coaches and GMs, by announcing that he will neither be vaccinated nor follow the NFL/NFLPA protocols for non-vaccinated players.  He's kind of throwing his team's NFLPA reps (and the NFLPA in general) under the bus as collateral damage, and of course, potentially putting other non-vaccinated teammates at risk if one believes that the protocols were a best-practice to protect everyone from contagious disease.

 

I don't think it's OK to choose a path of personal freedom that carries so much collateral damage, but YMMV.

Not wise to air your bs on social media. He could have announced retirement gracefully without the LAMP. The NFL lost so much revenue last year that Coles stunt will not cause the league to blink.

[plenzmd1]

Just now, jeremy2020 said:

 

I know you're being purposely obtuse, but I'll still take the bait.

 

No one is arguing about vaccination status except you. 

 

Do you understand the difference between vaccination status and saying you won't follow protocols because you are unvaccinated? Why do you refuse to answer this question? 

 

 

Cole has every right to not be vaccinated, and the NFL has every right to sideline him. I think the NFLPA is pure scum, but htey agreed to it, he is in the NFLPA, he has to live with it.

 

I also think JA17 aint getting no vaccine, which i took my second dose in April. His choice. Only reason Cole getting blasted is his public stance. You okay Josh not getting vaxxed as long as he keeps it quite? Is it  only a matter of wins and losses for you? What these human beings think matters not? Damn it, win me a Super Bowl!!!!!

[Process]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

accroding to most, he should be cut cause he is not vaccinated...and apparently has no desire to ever be!

When you start saying stuff that is so obviously and completely not true, it's probably a sign that you are losing the argument.

 

Forget "most", how about you reply with just one quote of someone in this 30 pg thread saying a player should be cut for not being vaccinated.

[Southern_Bills]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

by being part of a union, you're agreeing to let them negotiate on your behalf because when leveraged with other people give you greater leverage. Cole agreed to this and a majority of players agreed to this. Now that it is a conclusion he doesn't like, he is saying he won't adhere to it. He signed documents to that effect. 

 

Are you advocating that he didn't understand what he was agreeing to by joining the NFLPA?

 

Not at all, and trust me I know 100% you are legally correct and he has no recourse to pursue. 

 

Though when he signed said paperwork he didn't think they would have the right to restrict his personal access to his family.

 

I wouldn't join a union for this reason,  but you are correct he did.

[pigpen65]

What an #######. How do we get Smoke back?

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I actually forgot to answer your question in my first response.  This is actually a good point you're making and is a classic what comes first the chicken or the egg type question.

 

Testing has confirmed that many virus can be passed from asymptomatic people to others.  The caveat is that in most of these cases the virus remains at very low levels in the person it transferred to and they also are asymptomatic or suffer only minor symptoms. This is how herd immunity is quickly generated in human populations.

 

During flu season if we were to test EVERYONE we would find asymptomatic spread.  But we generally restrict our testing to symptomatic people.  For covid the fear of the virus made the simple fact of catching the virus a problematic endpoint. Yet for the vast amount of people symptoms were slight or not apparent. It didn't help that our tests were to sensitive for practical public health actions.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that those with symptoms are far more contagious then those without.  And not only are they more contagious but their overt symptoms lead to their delivering higher doses of the virus to those they infect.

 

Bottom line is that quarantining symptomatic folk would have been the most logical, effective and importantly least disruptive way to deal with covid.  Spoken in hindsight of course.

 

CDC:  Rapid quarantine of close contacts with or without symptoms is needed to prevent presymptomatic transmission.

 

CincyBillsFan: No.

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

Cole has every right to not be vaccinated, and the NFL has every right to sideline him. I think the NFLPA is pure scum, but htey agreed to it, he is in the NFLPA, he has to live with it.

 

I also think JA17 aint getting no vaccine, which i took my second dose in April. His choice. Only reason Cole getting blasted is his public stance. You okay Josh not getting vaxxed as long as he keeps it quite? Is it  only a matter of wins and losses for you? What these human beings think matters not? Damn it, win me a Super Bowl!!!!!

That last line might be the one thing we can all agree on. 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Getting your children into public schools has worked that way for decades. It’s weird how almost everyone is completely cool with that. 

This is where risk/benefit calculations come in.  Required vaccinations for schools make sense given the threat of the problems they're meant to deal with.

 

Last I saw most school systems don't require children or teenagers to get the flu shot do they? This is in spite of flu outbreaks often emerging from schools.

 

 

[716er]

Just now, Tcali said:

players union doesnt understand the fraudulent vaccine trials(study the moderna and pfizer data),..Doesnt understand what PCR tests were designed for and the abuse of them by the pharmceutical companies..Must not have read the Vaers stats concerning extremely high vaccine deaths in YOUNGER age groups...-These sickos are almost as bad as Dr Fauci.  Its about money and control. The Covid scam is crumbling and the Gates' of the world are desperate and scrambling to control their sheep.

Can’t wait to read your dissertation 

[Process]

1 minute ago, Buffalo619 said:

Different scenario. What if an employer required medical history on abortions? And they fired every woman who had one.  Would the women be able to sue?

You specifically said that in the case of Cole Beasley, "lawsuits will follow". 

 

How the heck is your question relevant, at all?

 

Regarding the NFL and Covid protocols, which I thought was the topic, there is no debate regarding lawsuits. When the Bills start asking players their abortion history we can start a new thread to discuss. 

[Jpsredemption]

10 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Getting your children into public schools has worked that way for decades. It’s weird how almost everyone is completely cool with that. 

Yea not really so much for an experimental vaccine. I trust it but let’s still be real about what it really is.

[plenzmd1]

8 minutes ago, Process said:

When you start saying stuff that is so obviously and completely not true, it's probably a sign that you are losing the argument.

 

Forget "most", how about you reply with just one quote of someone in this 30 pg thread saying a player should be cut for not being vaccinated.

hmm...wonder who said this?

 

am i still losing?

Edited June 19, 2021 by plenzmd1

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Cole has every right to not be vaccinated, and the NFL has every right to sideline him. I think the NFLPA is pure scum, but htey agreed to it, he is in the NFLPA, he has to live with it.

 

I also think JA17 aint getting no vaccine, which i took my second dose in April. His choice. Only reason Cole getting blasted is his public stance. You okay Josh not getting vaxxed as long as he keeps it quite? Is it  only a matter of wins and losses for you? What these human beings think matters not? Damn it, win me a Super Bowl!!!!!

 

Again ,please stop the gaslighting. 

 

I'm fine with him being vaxxed or unvaxxed, I'm fine with publicly expressing his beliefs and opinions. 

 

The problem is that he is saying that he will not adhere to the protocols of being unvaccinated. If he had said, "I have doubts about the vaccine and don't agree with the protocol so I am availing myself of one of my options which is to retire from the NFL" then all the power to him. He's saying he intends to break the rules which is going to have consequences for the whole team. 

 

As for your BS, "he's a human!"... why is it ok for him to disrespect the health safety of any other player who may choose not to get the vaccine and put them at risk by violating the protocols? They're humans too. 

[716er]

7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Cole has every right to not be vaccinated, and the NFL has every right to sideline him. I think the NFLPA is pure scum, but htey agreed to it, he is in the NFLPA, he has to live with it.

 

I also think JA17 aint getting no vaccine, which i took my second dose in April. His choice. Only reason Cole getting blasted is his public stance. You okay Josh not getting vaxxed as long as he keeps it quite? Is it  only a matter of wins and losses for you? What these human beings think matters not? Damn it, win me a Super Bowl!!!!!

I would bet Josh is vaxxed. He’s got a lot more to lose by not doing so - endorsements, etc.

 

Well see

[Governor]

Florio handed him his head.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

CDC:  Rapid quarantine of close contacts with or without symptoms is needed to prevent presymptomatic transmission.

 

CincyBillsFan: No.

This is to broad and violates Henderson's rule that actions to thwart a pandemic should minimize societal disruption.  The damage done by deviating from normalcy can be extensive.  We are seeing that first hand now.  We will pay a steep price for the lock downs over the next few decades.

 

Nothing can stop the spread of a respiratory virus in it's tracks. The best you can do is manage the spread and focus on protecting the most vulnerable. I'll take my lead from DA Henderson over the CDC any day of the week. After all this guy used to head that organization among others:

 

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.1109&rep=rep1&type=pdf

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

I would bet Josh is vaxxed. He’s got a lot more to lose by not doing so - endorsements, etc.

 

Well see

if Josh was vaxed, he aint wearing a mask last night...end of story

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

I understand. It’s the same choice. As Americans we need choices. 

 

I'm interested in how a woman I work with getting an abortion affects my health. Please provide your newsletter so I can learn more. 

[Tcali]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

This is where risk/benefit calculations come in.  Required vaccinations for schools make sense given the threat of the problems they're meant to deal with.

 

Last I saw most school systems don't require children or teenagers to get the flu shot do they? This is in spite of flu outbreaks often emerging from schools.

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, GLP said:

He's a crybaby who should just man-up and get vaccinated. I've been vaccinated (2 shots) it's NO big deal. If he doesn't want to abide by the NFL rules then he should retire NOW so we have time to find a replacement for an idiot WR!

Oh its a big deal GLP.What do you know about the vaccines?? about skipping the animal testing?? about being unapproved by the FDA ? About the rising number of deaths from the 'vaccines'?..No big deal??..God help us. Please do some research.

[716er]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

if Josh was vaxed, he aint wearing a mask last night...end of story

 

He’d be required to mask until two weeks after his second dose. 
 

Not end of story 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

if Josh was vaxed, he aint wearing a mask last night...end of story

 

What if he robs stagecoaches on the side?

[Process]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

hmm...wonder who said this?

 

am i still losing?

Ok you went from losing the argument to not even worth talking too. Did you read the post you quoted. "He makes it very clear he is not going to follow any protocols, which means he will spend the season getting fined and suspended. If he's not going to be available to play, why deal with the distraction?"

 

I have said multiple times in this thread, as have others, that it's not about vaccination, it's him stating that he is going to completely ignore protocols, which will without a doubt lead to fines, suspensions, and be a huge distraction to the team. 

 

A for effort?

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Again ,please stop the gaslighting. 

 

I'm fine with him being vaxxed or unvaxxed, I'm fine with publicly expressing his beliefs and opinions. 

 

The problem is that he is saying that he will not adhere to the protocols of being unvaccinated. If he had said, "I have doubts about the vaccine and don't agree with the protocol so I am availing myself of one of my options which is to retire from the NFL" then all the power to him. He's saying he intends to break the rules which is going to have consequences for the whole team. 

 

As for your BS, "he's a human!"... why is it ok for him to disrespect the health safety of any other player who may choose not to get the vaccine and put them at risk by violating the protocols? They're humans too. 

because if you vaxed, you have no reason, at all, to be worried about getting  sick or dying from Covid. He is not disrespecting anyone. 

[galept]

35 pages of replies in six hours. You'd think renderings of the new stadium were announced or something.

 

But no, it's just a thread mostly full of totally-not-political badgering. End this thread.

[plenzmd1]

Just now, Process said:

Ok you went from losing the argument to not even worth talking too. Did you read the post you quoted. "He makes it very clear he is not going to follow any protocols, which means he will spend the season getting fined and suspended. If he's not going to be available to play, why deal with the distraction?"

 

I have said multiple times in this thread, as have others, that it's not about vaccination, it's him stating that he is going to completely ignore protocols, which will without a doubt lead to fines, suspensions, and be a huge distraction to the team. 

 

A for effort?

so you did not say he should be cut?

[Malazan]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This is to broad and violates Henderson's rule that actions to thwart a pandemic should minimize societal disruption.  The damage done by deviating from normalcy can be extensive.  We are seeing that first hand now.  We will pay a steep price for the lock downs over the next few decades.

 

Nothing can stop the spread of a respiratory virus in it's tracks. The best you can do is manage the spread and focus on protecting the most vulnerable. I'll take my lead from DA Henderson over the CDC any day of the week. After all this guy used to head that organization among others:

 

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.1109&rep=rep1&type=pdf

 

Did you read the whole study you quoted? Do you feel really confident about that?

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, galept said:

35 pages of replies in six hours. You'd think renderings of the new stadium were announced or something.

 

But no, it's just a thread mostly full of totally-not-political badgering. End this thread.

Personally, I enjoy reading the bickering more than the prospect of an open air stadium, with the possibility of time in Toronto or Happy Valley 😂 

[Malazan]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

because if you vaxed, you have no reason, at all, to be worried about getting  sick or dying from Covid. He is not disrespecting anyone. 

 

You're not even trying anymore. 

 

Josh Allen is not vaccinated.

 

Cole Beasely is not vaccinated.

 

Josh Allen follows the protocols.

 

Cole Beasely does not follow the protocols. 

 

Why should Josh Allen be exposed to increased risk so that Cole Beasely can "really live"? Beasely has an option to live free. He doesn't like it so he wants everything to change to suit himself. 

[Malazan]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

It doesn’t. Same as a vaccinated person. It’s personal. 

 

That's not a newsletter.