Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, SCBills said:

For me, personally, I made the decision against getting vaccinated because I’ve seen, firsthand, some horrible reactions to it.  
 

I also take care of myself and am in my 30’s.. I don’t think it’s likely that there’s any long term effects from the vax, but I’d rather not risk it.  I’m honestly not at all worried about getting COVID.  To my knowledge, I haven’t gotten it yet.  Maybe I have, maybe I haven’t.  
 

I did worry about passing it along to vulnerable people, but now anyone I’m around who might be affected by it, is vaccinated. 
 

I will say that the vehement pushback to it that I have comes from how bizarrely aggressive the media/government is in pushing this. 
 

I think the only mitigation effort we did that worked was urging people who experience symptoms to quarantine.  The bulk of the data I've seen shows that asymptomatic rarely pass covid on.

 

We made a fatal mistake early on by quarantining healthy people instead of focusing on the sick.

 

Every vulnerable person in the US has had the opportunity to get vaccinated.  IMO the only people vulnerable are that way by choice.

 

 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The last time I started posting sources I got put in TO.  I'm a scientist by profession and the bulk of the current thinking on covid indicates that asymptomatic people rarely pass covid on.

 

 

 

Skyline or Gold Star? 

 

Sorry, I thought it might be nice to lighten things up. 

 

I prefer……neither! Cinnamon in chili? YUCK! Give me Zips with a burger!

 

I wish Cole had stayed quiet and worked things out in house. I don’t see how this can make anything better, so…..why? 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Beas has a substantial ranch property in Texas.

 

When I'm not busy imputing the best motives and genuine beliefs and convictions to players, I did have this observation that Beasley was helmetless and not participating in team drills most of OTAs and we didn't hear about him being open and making catches for Josh when the defense was "winning the day".  Then I had this sneaky little devil thought, "what if Bease really damaged himself playing on that broken leg last season and is struggling, and decided to kind of ride off in a Blaze of Glory as a Martyr to NFL/NFLPA Covid Policy instead of announcing that he was retiring because he could no longer play at the level he wanted?"

Wait a minute. Are you really saying someone who has differing views than  you is motivated by nefarious reasons and cannot be a person of conscious? Is that what you are saying? 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The last time I started posting sources I got put in TO.  I'm a scientist by profession and the bulk of the current thinking on covid indicates that asymptomatic people rarely pass covid on.

 

 

I ask because everything I've read contradicts that.

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=010721

 

January CDC study says asymptomatic spread accounts for 60% of new cases.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Skyline or Gold Star? 

 

Sorry, I thought it might be nice to lighten things up. 

 

I prefer……neither! Cinnamon in chili? YUCK! Give me Zips with a burger!

 

I wish Cole had stayed quiet and worked things out in house. I don’t see how this can make anything better, so…..why? 

 

 

Skyline!

 

When my Buffalo friends visit they fall into two groups:  those that love the chili and those that hate it.  Those that love it though must get their fix ASAP after they get here.

 

 

[stevewin]

4 minutes ago, cale said:

Last I looked, Cole Beasley is an amazing wide receiver playing in a team deep at WR. I love and respect his play. He is entitled to his opinion. But he isn't an infectious disease expert. As someone married to a healthcare professional who had to and still does deal with the dangers of Covid, he's being a total ass about this particular issues.

If he chooses to not get vaccinated, he can follow the protocols in place to protect *him* and others. If he chooses to get vaccinated, he also needs to follow *those* protocols to protect him and others.

It's not that hard.

One thing that I see as a possibility from all this is unvaxed players who feel the same as Beasley on the surface agreeing to the terms, but just not following certain parts of the protocol.  How much in depth policing can actually be done.  Especially in terms of personal human contact, it would seem to be largely an "honor" system (assuming players aren't posting pics with strippers).  

 

The policing/punishment aspect of this really seems like it could become a mess.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I ask because everything I've read contradicts that.

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=010721

 

January CDC study says asymptomatic spread accounts for 60% of new cases.

You will find a lot of contradictions in the data as the science is far from settled with this.  But the current belief is that asymptomatic people rarely pass it on.

 

To be perfectly blunt the CDC has been less then stellar during the pandemic. I'll leave it at that.

 

 

 

 

[Ralonzo]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

This here is what I was talking about

[SDS]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Your going down the rabbit hole now…. Has there ever been a virus in our history that is transmitted without people having symptoms? 

The herpes virus gets transmitted asymptomatically all the time. 

[Southern_Bills]

7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

how is a potential future risk “guaranteed?” Do y’all have time travel down there in southern Alabama? Another beaut in this thread full of them.

 

Time travel? Ok, you take a vaccination which is a guaranteed risk, you inject a experimental drug into your body. That's guaranteed, no way around it.

 

Or, you go about your life and maybe you get covid maybe you don't. That's what I would call a "potential" risk. 

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but it makes sense to me. 

 

Granted I will say NY has a much more dense population than Alabama. So again do what's best for you and your family, I will do the same.

[Malazan]

58 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

and for many,that is really the only thing that matters...how does this affect wins and losses. Maybe for players, its more important than wins and losses.

 

Yes, the same players who said OTAs need to eliminated because of covid... are surely behind the one saying that all protocols should be removed. I'm sure that they're consistent in their opinions. 

 

50 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

huh? .....78% of hospitalized Covid patients were overweight/obese. You don't see that as a contributing factor why someone who is healthy . young and in great shape might think twice about getting a vaccine that has not been been fully authorized yet, and is very likely a reason why young males are experiencing  myocarditis  at enhanced rates?

 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/78-of-covid-19-patients-hospitalized-in-the-us-overweight-or-obese-cdc-finds.html

 

Only players exist in the NFL so that makes sense. 

 

 

Oh, The Jets are telling 2nd year player Mekhai Becton who, when healthy, last season dominated that he needs to lose weight because his fatness is causing him health problems (not covid related)...

[plenzmd1]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Yes, the same players who said OTAs need to eliminated because of covid... are surely behind the one saying that all protocols should be removed. I'm sure that they're consistent in their opinions. 

 

 

Only players exist in the NFL so that makes sense. 

 

 

Oh, The Jets are telling 2nd year player Mekhai Becton who, when healthy, last season dominated that he needs to lose weight because his fatness is causing him health problems (not covid related)...

Can you repost in clear language what you are trying to say? I honestly have no idea. 

Edited June 19, 2021 by plenzmd1

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Your going down the rabbit hole now…. Has there ever been a virus in our history that is transmitted without people having symptoms? 

One of the oddities about our response to covid versus the historical response has been the amount of testing and the sensitivity of the tests. Some of these tests can detect covid at very low levels in the body.  This resulted in a couple of complicating factors:

 

1)  The virus was being detected in people at levels below which it could trigger symptoms

 

2)  The tests appeared inaccurate because people would test positive then negative then positive. This was likley due to the sensitivity of the test which was catching the covid at very low levels and at the limit of it's sensitivity.

 

Monitors don't put me in TO for posting this but DA Henderson was America's greatest infectious disease specialist. Just Google his resume to be blown away. This is the guy credited with leading the effort that wiped out small pox.  Here is a scientific article he wrote on how to handle future pandemics like covid.  For some reason we choose to ignore this mans advice.

 

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.1109&rep=rep1&type=pdf

[Malazan]

21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The last time I started posting sources I got put in TO.  I'm a scientist by profession and the bulk of the current thinking on covid indicates that asymptomatic people rarely pass covid on.

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Can you repost in clear language what you are trying to say? I honestly have no idea. 

 

I suspect you have that problem a lot which is why you have the beliefs that you do..

 

There are overweight and obese people that interact with players so if you want to hang your hat on NFL players are all young and not obese.. well... there ya go.

 

Do you understand yet? 

Edited June 19, 2021 by jeremy2020

[Weatherman]

6 minutes ago, SDS said:

The herpes virus gets transmitted asymptomatically all the time. 

HPV as well.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

This all makes sense now. The #11 curse lives on. I thought for a moment Beasley broke the curse but the injury and now this. It's alive and well. 

Edited June 19, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[JaCrispy]

I support Beasley 100%...rock on, my man! 👍🍻

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, Buffalo619 said:

Isn’t it crazy how they bash and shame him because of his opinion. 

 

It's not crazy at all IMO.  We're all free to say and think what we want, but we should all also know that others will react how they choose to what we say.  That's how freedom of speech works.  Its protected under the law but not from the court of public opinion.  It's always been this way and likely always will be.

 

If someone who is well known goes on twitter and provides a potentially unpopular opinion on a hot button topic, they should expect a wide range of responses...including bashing, shaming, etc. 

[Weatherman]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Isn’t it crazy how they bash and shame him because of his opinion. 

Everyone gets bashed and shamed for their opinions (even on this forum) but it’s amplified for celebrities.  

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I suspect you have that problem a lot which is why you have the beliefs that you do. 

dude, i am really trying to understand your points...can you articulate  them in clear language?

Edited June 19, 2021 by plenzmd1

[Process]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

My body, my choice. Respect Bease. 
 

Lawsuits will be next. 

Yea? Who is getting sued, and for what?

[Malazan]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

dude, i am really trying to understand your points...can articulate  them in clear language?

 

No one can articulate them clear enough for you. Unfortunate, but our schools are underfunded and teachers treated like crap. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I suspect you have that problem a lot which is why you have the beliefs that you do. 

What beliefs are that?  As a 60+ year old I got vaccinated.  And yes I'm a retired scientist.  For what it's worth I worked on an anti-AIDS drug in the early 1990's. 

 

As far as the covid goes we are staring to get a clearer picture of it's etiology.  Many of the assumptions made in March/April 2020 have turned out to be incomplete or flat out wrong.  BTW, those are not my beliefs but what the aggregate data indicates.

 

 

 

 

[Governor]

I don’t think our star QB should be hanging out with derelicts. He’s a bad egg. McBeane should step in and protect the city’s investments and reputation. This is a major embarrassment to our great city.

[Logic]

This is gonna turn into a big, dumb, unnecessary distraction for the Bills.

The worst part is that there's not an easy answer, because simply cutting him likely won't sit will with many Bills players. Beasley seems to be quite popular in the locker room.

From a pure football standpoint...his loss would hurt, sure, but there are other WRs willing and able to step up. McKenzie, in particular, seems ready for the moment. Because of what I mentioned above, though, it's not that simple.

I don't love reading that teams like the Dolphins and Broncos are close to the 85% threshold, while the Bills have become the poster boys for the "anti-vax athletes" movement. So gross.

The selfishness of Cole's anti-vax stance and Twitter rants is pretty evident anyway, but the degree to which he is now making himself a distraction and putting himself above the team just adds to it. 





 

[Malazan]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

What beliefs are that?  As a 60+ year old I got vaccinated.  And yes I'm a retired scientist.  For what it's worth I worked on an anti-AIDS drug in the early 1990's. 

 

As far as the covid goes we are staring to get a clearer picture of it's etiology.  Many of the assumptions made in March/April 2020 have turned out to be incomplete or flat out wrong.  BTW, those are not my beliefs but what the aggregate data indicates.

 

 

You couldn't figure out how a double quote on a message board works so color me skeptical..

[Ralonzo]

1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

It's not crazy at all IMO.  We're all free to say and think what we want, but we should all also know that others will react how they choose to what we say.  That's how freedom of speech works.  Its protected under the law but not from the court of public opinion.  It's always been this way and likely always will be.

 

The court of public opinion has also never been "product" until recently. The ripples of this dislocation are deep, and widely misunderstood.

[plenzmd1]

Just now, Governor said:

I don’t think our star QB should be hanging out with derelicts. He’s a bad egg. McBeane should step in and protect the city’s investments and reputation. This is a major embarrassment to our great city.

you do realize your star QB was wearing a mask outdoors last night...should the star QB be cut as well?

[Wizard]

 

 

I hope he can abide by protocol guidelines while fighting for his stance and view. I hope that fight is done in a way that does not overshadow his responsibility to the Bills' success as well as feel he is being heard by the league.

 

With that said, he may not be able to have both. If so, let's keep the pulse on a potential younger and cheaper slot receiver as well as any possible savings on that #2 or depth corner.

 

 

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

you do realize your star QB was wearing a mask outdoors last night...should the star QB be cut as well?

 

He should be cut for following protocols? Are you ok?

Edited June 19, 2021 by jeremy2020

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

No one can articulate them clear enough for you. Unfortunate, but our schools are underfunded and teachers treated like crap. 

maybe its me, maybe its the prodigious amount of alcohol you drank tonight...but WTF?

 

Guess this is pointless

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

You couldn't figure out how a double quote on a message board works so color me skeptical..

Not real helpful

[Governor]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

you do realize your star QB was wearing a mask outdoors last night...should the star QB be cut as well?

Cole is a victim and he’s been terribly oppressed. The city should liberate him back to Texas.

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

He should be cut for following protocols? Are you ok?

accroding to most, he should be cut cause he is not vaccinated...and apparently has no desire to ever be!

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Cole is a victim and he’s been terribly oppressed. The city should liberate him back to Texas.

this is a terribly nuanced response..thank you!

[rayray808]

we can't have anything nice can we?

 

after an unreal season we gotta deal with this

 

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

accroding to most, he should be cut cause he is not vaccinated...and apparently has no desire to ever be!

 

No, that's not the case at all. That's some desperate ploy you're clinging to and it's wrong. Please stop trying to gaslight. You're not good at it.

 

1) Vaccinated people still wear masks. For example, where I live in Texas, you can't go to the grocery store without a mask regardless of vaccination status. 

2) If he is unvaccinated, then he's following the protocols that he agreed to... which Beasely is currently saying he will not do.  Do you understand the difference? 

Edited June 19, 2021 by jeremy2020

[Process]

1 minute ago, Buffalo619 said:

Discrimination, health privacy, etc. 

 

Its none of our business who is vaccinated and who isn’t. 

 

 

Good luck with that!

 

Employers have every right so set protocols for unvaccinated people. It's being done all over the country. NFL is no different. 

 

Employees have every right to voluntarily provide proof of vaccination to avoid said protocols. 

 

If they don't provide vaccination, and they refuse to follow protocols that are set, which Cole is insisting he will do, you think he can sue if he gets shown the door?

 

This is the real world, that's not how things work.

[plenzmd1]

Just now, jeremy2020 said:

 

No, that's not the case at all. That's some desperate ploy you're clinging to and it's wrong. Please stop trying to gaslight. You're not good at it.

 

1) Vaccinated people still wear masks. For example, where I live in Texas, you can't go to the grocery store without a mask regardless of vaccination status. 

2) If he is unvaccinated, then he's following the protocols that he agreed to...

so...are we against Cole stating why he is not getting vaccinated...or that he is not getting vaccinated. Cause JA 17 aint getting vaccinated either...

 

and we okay with that because he not stating why in public? 

 

Learn to deal with JA 17 not getting vaxxed

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

you do realize your star QB was wearing a mask outdoors last night...should the star QB be cut as well?

 

Just think of the cap space we’d save!!!   

 

 

 

 

(Smiley face for some people here who just wouldn’t’ get it….)

[JoPoy88]

21 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Time travel? Ok, you take a vaccination which is a guaranteed risk, you inject a experimental drug into your body. That's guaranteed, no way around it.

 

Or, you go about your life and maybe you get covid maybe you don't. That's what I would call a "potential" risk. 

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but it makes sense to me. 

 

Granted I will say NY has a much more dense population than Alabama. So again do what's best for you and your family, I will do the same.

You’re missing a lot of things.