plenzmd1 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Trogdor said: That's not how he got it and that is a crazy low rate lol. 148M vaccinated in the US and that few have that side effect, that actually makes me feel better about it. However, Sweeney got his from COVID and not the vaccine. So, to be clear. If you got it from COVID and you are a male under 30, it’s bad. But if you got it from the vaccine and you are a male under 30, no big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I'm all for continuing "Covid and Vaccine awareness." Compulsory Vax, no. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Not you personally...anyone. And I'm saying I don't understand how there could be any division at all over this. Take the Vax if you want. It is not mandatory for everyone to live or work as they choose. I'm all for continuing "Covid and Vaccine awareness." Compulsory Vax, no. And for the record I'm "fully vaccinated." The issue here is not compulsory vax, this really should be clear by now. The vaccine is not mandatory for players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Aaron here calling for universal vaccination. We've come a long way from flatten the curve. Can't imagine why no one trusts anything. Rightly so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I wonder what that Isaiah McKenzie fellow is doing these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, I can see that, from your POV. My point is that he's very publicly creating a horrid dilemma for his coaches and GMs, by announcing that he will neither be vaccinated nor follow the NFL/NFLPA protocols for non-vaccinated players. He's kind of throwing his team's NFLPA reps (and the NFLPA in general) under the bus as collateral damage, and of course, potentially putting other non-vaccinated teammates at risk if one believes that the protocols were a best-practice to protect everyone from contagious disease. I don't think it's OK to choose a path of personal freedom that carries so much collateral damage, but YMMV. Yep. Plus, his job isn’t exactly scraping by on $15/hour to put bread on the table for his family. He’s getting paid millions and millions of dollars per year to play a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: So, to be clear. If you got it from COVID and you are a male under 30, it’s bad. But if you got it from the vaccine and you are a male under 30, no big deal? No, it's quite bad in either case. However, you're at minimum, from readily available data, at least 50x more likely to contract cardiomyopathy from natural covid infection if you're a healthy young athletic stud, than from the vaccine if youre under 30. If you're interested, I'll PM you my calculations and you can check them then we can discuss; we won't be discussing in here. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 If he gets away with this are we gonna have to call it Cole’slaw? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Aaron here calling for universal vaccination. We've come a long way from flatten the curve. Can't imagine why no one trusts anything. Rightly so. This is not calling for "universal vaccination". It's pointing out, correctly, that the "personal choice" of a player not to be vaccinated impacts other players and their families/vulnerable people they come in contact with. Difference. 4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I wonder what that Isaiah McKenzie fellow is doing these days Running to the vaccine clinic? 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Limeaid said: But the really, really, really stupid should be neutered/spayed but that is just my opinion. But those two would have gorgeous children and frankly the football world needs more Bosas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is not calling for "universal vaccination". It's pointing out, correctly, that the "personal choice" of a player not to be vaccinated impacts other players and their families/vulnerable people they come in contact with. Difference. Everyone that is concerned is vaccinated The goal was to get those at risk and everyone else access to it. We did. We won. Time to move on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 29 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: All their choice yes. So you're advocating forced universal vaccination, correct? No. I'm pointing out the faulty assumptions of your previous post. I suggest you refrain from imputing "advocating for forced vaccination" where it does not exist, going forward; it looks like an attempt at "stirring the pot" or trolling from here. Pointing out that consequences of not being vaccinated extend to other people is not the same thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I don't have the time to read whole thread - can somebody please tell me if it is clear that he actually intends to break some specific NFL covid rules, and if so, which? I read his statements three times and I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: "We respect each player's decision on the vaccination is their own, and while we continue to educate our players and hope they decide to get the vaccine, we know we have a number of players who will not, and are totally fine with that as they are still on the team. However, we also made a decision as a team to not speak out about it or let it become a distraction, and Cole was unable to follow that. Nor would he agree to follow the protocols agreed to by the NFL and NFLPA. We provided him plenty of ways and opportunities to contact his union reps and work with the NFLPA, but he was unwilling to do so. So we made the decision to move on since we are trying to stay unified as a team, and move forward into a re-opened 2021." -Brandon Beane Boom, cut. But if he's willing to retire over it all, than problem solved. Exactly. He could shut up about it and be fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how idiotic and uninformed. I don't agree with him, but he has a right to that opinion 100%. But he's got to be an obnoxious little MTG about it, and cause a distraction on a team that is trying to win the Superbowl. He's being very selfish. Don't cut him. Trade him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I don't have the time to read whole thread - can somebody please tell me if it is clear that he actually intends to break some specific NFL covid rules, and if so, which? I read his statements three times and I have no idea. Yes, it's clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I’m cool with him taking a stand. I don’t have a side I’m not for or against the vaccine. But I do think it’s cool when people are willing to do what they think is right and are willing to accept consequences to make their stand. Within reason. If he doesn’t agree and can make that choice to not go to work or get removed from the team I can’t fully hate on him. Business will keep it moving with or without him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Does Cole understand that he’s played for eight years in a league that every week tells him how he can and cannot wear his socks? 2 1 1 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: That would cover whoever the heck you caught it from Why do we care? Why did the NFLPA repeat last years protocols that were crafted in May of 2020 for people that choose not to get the vaccine I'm confused, are you saying that you believe Cole Beasely signing a waiver physically prevents Allen catching it from Beasely or that Cole Beasely signing a waiver means Josh Allen is also subject to Beasely's waiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Everyone that is concerned is vaccinated The goal was to get those at risk and everyone else access to it. We did. We won. Time to move on. What would have to be true for this to be correct? 1) the vaccine would have to be completely effective, with no breakthrough infections, instead of perhaps 85% effective against Delta variant 2) all at risk people would have to be able to be vaccinated - some can not, for health reasons 3) the vaccine would have to "take" and be effective in all at risk people 4) even when players are not at risk and will eventually recover, they will not be available if they contract covid or (if unvaccinated) if they are a close contact The NFL and NFLPA protocols appear to be an attempt to recognize that 1-3 are not true - vaccinated players are still at (lower, but some) risk from unvaccinated players and staff; at-risk vaccinated players may unknown to them, have not had a proper immune response to the vaccine Therefore the NFL/NFLPA protocols do not say "we won, time to move on" Now. The NFLPA could argue that they don't GAF if they catch covid because they think it's not a particular risk to healthy young athletic studs. They could argue that players should be allowed to play unless they are actually symptomatic. That would hang a different set of players - at-risk players, who are obese or have diabetes, or who are in close contact with people at-risk - out to dry. But that's not what the NFLPA has argued or lobbied for, to date. Presumably they have some input from their membership. 4 minutes ago, todd said: Exactly. He could shut up about it and be fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how idiotic and uninformed. I don't agree with him, but he has a right to that opinion 100%. But he's got to be an obnoxious little MTG about it, and cause a distraction on a team that is trying to win the Superbowl. He's being very selfish. Don't cut him. Trade him. What means MTG? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, jeremy2020 said: I'm confused, are you saying that you believe Cole Beasely signing a waiver physically prevents Allen catching it from Beasely or that Cole Beasely signing a waiver means Josh Allen is also subject to Beasely's waiver? I have to keep remembering I'm often talking to people that think we are fully Eradicating Covid or that we can't collectively let anyone get sick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I would imagine that refusing to follow league protocol, he would refuse being tested for covid as well. If he refuses that, he really should just retire as he'd be suspended anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: What page is that, the one where the NFLPA let them down? Or the one where they were all planning to shut up about it until one guy started tweeting? (She is not a player... so whatever she tweets... it is what it is. I would never hold her comments or opinions against her husband, that is not even logical). She's Poyer's Kardashian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: She's Poyer's Kardashian Probably more like Poyer's Kanye at this point lol 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I have to keep remembering I'm often talking to people that think we are fully Eradicating Covid or that we can't collectively let anyone get sick. No, you just need to remember that a piece of paper that Cole Beaseley signs to say he's ok if he gets covid doesn't have any actual effect on the disease itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: don’t care what he does when it comes to coronavirus protocols. replicate last season and all is well Can't catch a ball if you're suspended for not following the protocols you agreed to as part of the NFLPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: Why should I wear pants or underwear out in public if I don't want to? If Diggs doesn’t want to wear a helmet next year, that’s his choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I'm confused, are you saying that you believe Cole Beasely signing a waiver physically prevents Allen catching it from Beasely or that Cole Beasely signing a waiver means Josh Allen is also subject to Beasely's waiver? I was confused too, but it's possible there's a reason external to us for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: Can't catch a ball if you're suspended for not following the protocols you agreed to as part of the NFLPA. Why is he at risk of being suspended ? For being unvaccinated ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: No, you just need to remember that a piece of paper that Cole Beaseley signs to say he's ok if he gets covid doesn't have any actual effect on the disease itself. What does this even mean? My point was everyone's pov on this starts with their goal and justification for it. What I stated is what people think we can do... that is not meant to be offensive. I just do not agree with it. Edited June 18, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Why is he at risk of being suspended ? For being unvaccinated ? No. Don't jump into the pool if you aren't gonna take the trouble to get wet. Don't jump into a thread if you aren't going to take the trouble to understand the premise first. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: You do understand the NFL already greatly controls players actions outside of the facility, right? I'm talking about what family members you can be around and stuff like that...why play dumb....not something I need to clarify when it's the whole subject of what we're talking about 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And you know what? If Cole said "I'm going to retire, ***** it, this isn't worth it to follow these protocols" I would 100% support him as that being his right. But he's 100% trying to "have his cake and eat it too". The NFL controls what players do outside the facility in all sorts of ways already. The players have a right to refuse to accept that, in which case they can retire or find employment elsewhere. Again...I'm supporting what Cole actually spoke on about liberties others have that have been extremely limited cause he decided he didn't want to take an injection. If he is really really against it...he shouldn't fold over money or to continue playing a game...I guess I didn't articulate that clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Rabble rabble rabble! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: All 3 of them. Come on. I'm sick of these semantic games. This is the problem with modern discourse. You can't state a simple fact without someone trying to argue it. When you're little, you are naive. You tend to look up to adults and assume they are smart and what they are talking about. When you grow up, you learn that the stupid kids in school, who usually eat crayonz, are Mets fans, etc. grow up to be stupid adults. There are a lot of dumb people out there... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: What does this even mean? My point was everyone's pov on this starts with their goal and justification for it. What I stated is what people think we can do... that is not meant to be offensive. I just do not agree with it. You offered him signing a waiver absolving the NFL/NFLPA of responsibility if he gets covid as a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, StHustle said: I'm talking about what family members you can be around and stuff like that...why play dumb....not something I need to clarify when it's the whole subject of what we're talking about Again...I'm supporting what Cole actually spoke on about liberties others have that have been extremely limited cause he decided he didn't want to take an injection. If he is really really against it...he shouldn't fold over money or to continue playing a game...I guess I didn't articulate that clearly. Then we agree there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Kim Pegula: “Alexa, drop in on Kevyn Adams” Adams: “Yes, Ma’am?” Kim: “Now would be a really good time to trade Eichel” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Why is he at risk of being suspended ? For being unvaccinated ? Don't be that guy... wait.. you are that guy. Nevermind, carry on. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The NFL and the NFLPA are supposed to have provided educational materials answering questions like this for the players. Perhaps they did and it was God's Will that prevented Cole from comprehending it? 1 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Hutz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 If the Pegula’s had any guts they’d set an example and release this selfish clown. 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Lionel Hutz said: If the Pegula’s had any guts they’d set an example and release this selfish clown. The Pegulas shouldn't be making football decisions for the Bills. Bad precedent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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