par73 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Really don't need to hear this again. Just 7 years ago, the Pegulas were viewed as heroes for saving the franchise in Buffalo. I wonder if Bon Jovi is still interested in a team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseBill Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: That would be Pork of the Piggiest kind if so. Infrastructure is supposed to be stuff like highways, bridges, storm sewers, etc. The 2021 definition of "infrastructure" is wildly different than it was only a few years ago. We're living in a different world brother. I can guarantee there are legislators in Congress and in Albany who can make the argument for getting some of that money directed at a new stadium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Mango said: The Pegulas are not great owners. They extended Whaley, fired Whaley the next year, hired Rex, literally every move with the Sabres. I view McBeane as a broken clock being right twice a day. Seems you know someone personally connected to Terry or past business. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts. Regarding Sean and Brandon, weird comment by you. Not sure many coaches and GMs are thought more highly of right now, they are both top 5-10. Turning a franchise around isn't an easy task and on top of that, the character and leadership they bring is off the charts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Just now, CuseBill said: The 2021 definition of "infrastructure" is wildly different than it was only a few years ago. We're living in a different world brother. I can guarantee there are legislators in Congress and in Albany who can make the argument for getting some of that money directed at a new stadium. Somebody get Gillibrand on the line… Bills Stadium is infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Is this the wrong time to bring up the fact that Austin is a great town? The music and the food alone will knock your socks off. No, thanks. The people in Austin are arrogant, and everything is just an event or party there. They’d be showing up to games just to have tailgate brunches, drinking mimosas and eating breakfast tacos, and not really caring whether the team wins or loses. they just got a MLS team, and they already think that makes them extra cooler as a city. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, njbuff said: Agreed. That's why I am not even discussing anything about this. Ain't happening in a million years. Not even if there’s a fire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseBill Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Somebody get Gillibrand on the line… Bills Stadium is infrastructure. We don't need Kirsten on the line....Chuck is the Senate majority leader and he would never let the Bills leave NY so long as he has anything to say about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 This is inevitable negotiation noise. Start high and work back from there. The taxpayers will be putting money into the new building, but nowhere near carrying the entire cost. This tactic is used by most owners, across sports, when it’s new stadium time. Pegula’s are business people first. Period. Don’t cry chicken littles the Bills aren’t going anywhere. Enjoy the season. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: No, thanks. The people in Austin are arrogant, and everything is just an event or party there. They’d be showing up to games just to have tailgate brunches, drinking mimosas and eating breakfast tacos, and not really caring whether the team wins or loses. they just got a MLS team, and they already think that makes them extra cooler as a city. MLS suits Austin. The real football fans that live there are already fans of other teams from where they moved or die hard UT fans. Their fan base would be nonexistent after the initial excitement. Can’t wait for the 70% full stadium with a paid hype section and opposing teams fans. It’s not happening, but Austin would be such a terrible NFL city…. And everyone I know that likes it, likes it from when they visited five years ago… a lot has changed since then. 3 minutes ago, CuseBill said: We don't need Kirsten on the line....Chuck is the Senate majority leader and he would never let the Bills leave NY so long as he has anything to say about it. I know.. I’m just joking from when she called everything under sun “infrastructure”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, purple haze said: This is inevitable negotiation noise. Start high and work back from there. The taxpayers will be putting money into the new building, but nowhere near carrying the entire cost. This tactic is used by most owners, across sports, when it’s new stadium time. Pegula’s are business people first. Period. Don’t cry chicken littles the Bills aren’t going anywhere. Enjoy the season. Agreed about it being a negotiation tactic, but it’s not a good look for the Pegulas. Bills mafia/fan base has reached legendary status nationwide. Don’t mess with a fan base this loyal. Stop listening to Jerry Jones. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Let me start with my opinion that a 100% taxpayer-paid stadium is not reasonable. Looking at this more deeply there are at least 4 basic ways to have public subsidies: - Direct public funding (state/county pays, gets nothing in return, taxpayers eat the cost). - Public financing (state/county floats bonds which are secured by future stadium revenue / team payments) - Indirect investments (state/county provide free land, roads, or other services) - Tax rebates (business gets future tax reductions). For purposes of this discussion I think we should ignore this option or treat it the same as the direct funding. The team, meanwhile, has 3 major sources of money: - Sales to fans (tickets, merchandise, suites, and possibly PSLs) - Television / shared revenue - Owner's personal wealth The public financing option should not be ignored in this mix. If the stadium will cost $1.1B, a split between direct public subsidy, public financing, and team money (upfront) is likely to be involved. I am not optimistic about a near term resolution. Asking the team to stay and take $0 in public money of any kind is worse that the status quo (state/county already kick in millons/yr under current agreement). It may seem attractive on principle, but it is barely more realistic than a 100% public paid option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: No, thanks. The people in Austin are arrogant, and everything is just an event or party there. They’d be showing up to games just to have tailgate brunches, drinking mimosas and eating breakfast tacos, and not really caring whether the team wins or loses. they just got a MLS team, and they already think that makes them extra cooler as a city. You had me at mimosas and eating breakfast tacos. If only we had those things here. 😩 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, CuseBill said: The 2021 definition of "infrastructure" is wildly different than it was only a few years ago. We're living in a different world brother. I can guarantee there are legislators in Congress and in Albany who can make the argument for getting some of that money directed at a new stadium. Even within the old definition I could get a few hundred million for roads, sewers, street lights, and all of the external needs of the stadium. The stadium itself could then come from state money and Pegs. As you said the new definition might include the stadium itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steptide Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 It honestly wouldnt bother me if some of my tax dollars went to a new stadium. I don't think it should be 100% funded by tax payers, but a chunk of it wouldnt bother me that much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Just win baby. They win no politican is going to say publicly they dont want them in Buffalo. Im curious how much of the 1.5 is for the Sabers? 500 mil? I could see the state 1 bil for the Bills kick rock on the Sabers, pay that your self. Reguardless, Buffalo is winning and Allen is playing to good for the Politicans to say anything negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Seems you know someone personally connected to Terry or past business. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts. Regarding Sean and Brandon, weird comment by you. Not sure many coaches and GMs are thought more highly of right now, they are both top 5-10. Turning a franchise around isn't an easy task and on top of that, the character and leadership they bring is off the charts He means people who get things wrong a lot are bound to get things right every once and a while Fantastic hires of our Head Coach and GM should not be an indicator of ability as that poster sees it as a fluke or luck. I am not sure if I agree, I don’t really follow Sabers hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 On 6/18/2021 at 1:51 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is this Good News, or No? I think its terrible news. Jones has been a vocal opponent of small market teams. Having him involved will mean relocation could enter the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Seems you know someone personally connected to Terry or past business. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts. Regarding Sean and Brandon, weird comment by you. Not sure many coaches and GMs are thought more highly of right now, they are both top 5-10. Turning a franchise around isn't an easy task and on top of that, the character and leadership they bring is off the charts I wasn’t pooping on McBeane. I was saying the hire by Pegula is like a clock being right twice a day. Not that those two in particular are bad at their jobs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, stuvian said: I think its terrible news. Jones has been a vocal opponent of small market teams. Having him involved will mean relocation could enter the picture. I could not disagree more... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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