A Lot of Bills stars Were at OTA's But 1 Star Was Not .

[Logic]

[teef]

Drama.  Some of you mother ***** love the drama. 

[Malazan]

13 minutes ago, first_and_ten said:

I know you're being sarcastic, but the fact is,  I have not been due to illness. Why would anyone think the Bills are better off without Edmunds?

 

I'm the wrong person to ask. People pick up a whipping boy and lose their minds deciding that they want him off the team, deserving or not. 

Edited May 26, 2021 by jeremy2020

[first_and_ten]

9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

He was overstating people questioning whether or not Edmunds was deserving of having his $12.7M fifth year option picked up. 
Sorry to hear that you were ill. Hope all is well now. 

 

9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

He was overstating people questioning whether or not Edmunds was deserving of having his $12.7M fifth year option picked up. 
Sorry to hear that you were ill. Hope all is well now. 

 

Thank You for the well wishes, that's very kind of you. Also, thanks for clearing that up for me😀

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I'm the wrong person to ask. People pick up a whipping boy and lose their minds deciding that want him off the team, deserving or not. 

 

Yeah, I think they need him

[Richard Noggin]

43 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Look - it is fun and easy to bash his decision, but has anyone heard why he made his decision?  
 

The fact that based upon some Bills reporters - the Bills are currently at 10% vaccination rate maybe drove part of his decision?  I don’t know, but if you were concerned enough to sit out because of the health risks and potential effect and you do a little bit of research and see that even vaccinated people with high risk (especially those with slightly suppressed immune responses) can get infected/re-infected and then you research the impact on healthy athletes in your sport - guys like Cam, Garrett, Tommy Sweeney, and Miller that all missed time and some had severe complications - maybe you still take a more cautious approach.

 

Maybe he is waiting for further guidance and a higher compliance rate before returning.  Maybe he is waiting to see if the NFLPA will provide additional guidance or maybe he is following the NFLPA guidance he has been given - which was for all athletes was to not attend OTAs due to COVID risk.

 

Do we know if the (annoyingly, by me) emphasized part is true?

 

WTF is going on with these guys? Forget all the layers of American ignorance, let's just look at this from a football standpoint: if unvaxxed players test positive, they'll likely still miss games, and bring other players with them. So, it stands to reason, that getting vaccinated is just a good football decision (again, ignoring all the other more important layers of this debacle).

[Inigo Montoya]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think that's true. 

The contract does hold that players need to show up for certain things - mandatory workouts, mandatory training camp, meetings, games.  He can lose salary and be fined.  He can be asked to return amortized signing bonus for the games he doesn't play.

 

As far as I know.  Contracts are guaranteed for injury and sometimes skill, but not for "I ain't gonna show up, and pay me regardless".  That would be nuts.

 

I said that Star could show up out of game shape, never get on the field all season and still make his guaranteed money.  I'm pretty sure you're right that he just can't quit the team and still get paid.  The issue is that Star could show up out of shape and unmotivated to play this year like Albert Haynesworth did with the Redskins.  I think that's what McDermott and those guys might be worried about.  If they had been in contact with Star and knew he was working hard to stay in shape and he would be ready to strap them up for training camp, I don't think McDermott would have had any concern with Star not being there for the OTAs like a lot of the other vets. 

 

I hope this is all just a bunch of pointless off season message board speculation and Star is working hard and shows up in great shape ready to clog up the line of scrimmage again.  I just didn't get that vibe from McDermott when he answered that question.

[Rochesterfan]

6 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Do we know if the (annoyingly, by me) emphasized part is true?

 

WTF is going on with these guys? Forget all the layers of American ignorance, let's just look at this from a football standpoint: if unvaxxed players test positive, they'll likely still miss games, and bring other players with them. So, it stands to reason, that getting vaccinated is just a good football decision (again, ignoring all the other more important layers of this debacle).

 

I can’t verify anything at this point, but this is what was reported:

 

 

 

If that is true or even close to true - then I can understand why a high risk player might stay away.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

It is funny how state governments have mandated that fans be vaccinated but not employees.

[Royale with Cheese]

49 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Why are you immune to the wrath of @Royale with Cheese?

 

He's frickin' demanding I provide data that proves fat people are more at risk for heart disease.............if he asks me to prove that water is wet I might need your help.

 

You made the claim that most 300+ NFL players have medical conditions and were at risk.  LOL.  

That's the data I asked for yet you won't provide because you made it up.

 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

It is funny how state governments have mandated that fans be vaccinated but not employees.

 

The players are NFL employees but I do get the irony of it.

[first_and_ten]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The players are NFL employees but I do get the irony of it.

 

I don't think the players are mandated to get the vaccine, are they?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, first_and_ten said:

I know you're being sarcastic, but the fact is,  I have not been due to illness. Why would anyone think the Bills are better off without Edmunds?

 

I hope you are recovered and in good health now!

 

9 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

It is funny how state governments have mandated that fans be vaccinated but not employees.

 

Have they done so, or is that just talk from Erie County Exec at this point?

 

Last I heard, it was a matter still under discussion:

https://theathletic.com/news/nfl-to-loosen-covid-19-restrictions-for-fully-vaccinated-fans-in-2021-season/FoSeAWRXDiZG

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The NFL declined to say whether it would require proof of vaccination for fans to gain entry into stadiums but admitted it is still developing its stadium protocols.

 

This is the latest guidelines of which I'm aware from NYS:

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-large-scale-outdoor-venue-capacity-increase-new-fully-vaccinated-fan

 

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Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced that large-scale outdoor event venues will only be limited by the space available for patrons or parties of patrons to maintain the required social distance of 6 feet starting May 19. This will apply to outdoor sports, performing arts and live entertainment, and horse and auto racing venues statewide. Appropriate social distancing, masks and other applicable health protocols will still apply.

Governor Cuomo also announced that in large-scale outdoor event venues, fully vaccinated attendees may be spaced next to one another, instead of 6 feet apart, in assigned, seated sections that are designated solely for fully vaccinated individuals. Individuals seated in these sections will have to provide proof of full immunization status, which can be provided through paper form, digital application or the State's Excelsior Pass.

 

Basically, the way it's working at a large college graduation I know of in NYS, you EITHER have to be fully vaccinated OR take a covid test within the previous 3 days, show the result, and attest you are not symptomatic or exposed.  The "fully vaccinated" section is full capacity; the "tested" section is socially distanced seating 6 ft apart.  Masks are required for both when you're out of your seat (entrance, exit, concourse).  This seems ta reasonable "accomodation" of personal choice about vaccination, but whaddoIknow; people are beefing about it.

But it's not "proof of vaccination required for admission to stadiums" and NYS is one of the strictest states so I doubt other states are requiring this if NYS isn't.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The players are NFL employees but I do get the irony of it.

 

And for what it's worth, the NFL has mandated that direct employees (coaches, trainers, etc) be vaccinated. They just can't mandate the players thanks to the NFLPA, or else they absolutely would to protect the season/league/product.

[first_and_ten]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I hope you are recovered and in good health now!

 

Have they done so, or is that just talk at this point?

 

 

 Thank You

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, first_and_ten said:

 

I don't think the players are mandated to get the vaccine, are they?

 

No they are not.  That was @Limeaid point.  For me it's a long way off till September and I will wait before "handwringing".

Lot's of people still in a "wait and see" mode.  Personally I got mine and am happy I did.

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And for what it's worth, the NFL has mandated that direct employees (coaches, trainers, etc) be vaccinated. They just can't mandate the players thanks to the NFLPA, or else they absolutely would to protect the season/league/product.

 

I didn't know that and yes the NFLPA has the input regarding the players.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

And for what it's worth, the NFL has mandated that direct employees (coaches, trainers, etc) be vaccinated. They just can't mandate the players thanks to the NFLPA, or else they absolutely would to protect the season/league/product.

 

Not quite.  They said

 

There's a carrot and a stick in there - if you aren't vaccinated, you aren't eligible for Tier 1 or 2 status. (Stick); if you do get vaccinated, you get benefits with regard to less testing, no quarantine, and fewer PPE requirements.

 

Now the team may have limited number of non-Tier1 and Tier2 positions, so that might hamper your ability to do your job, but it stops short of saying "you must be vaccinated to work here".

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

45 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I can’t verify anything at this point, but this is what was reported:

 

 

 

If that is true or even close to true - then I can understand why a high risk player might stay away.

 

 

That's brutal, if it's even close to accurate. Let's hope the organization is effective in educating its players, dispelling myths, emphasizing the football-related positives of vaccination, etc. There are a couple months left for players to get on board.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Richard Noggin

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Do we know if the (annoyingly, by me) emphasized part is true?

 

No.  We don't.  It was reported by the Buffalo Fanatics podcasters quoting that ever-valuable word "sources" and what they said was 10 players, which would be somewhat higher than 10 percent.

 

53 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

WTF is going on with these guys? Forget all the layers of American ignorance, let's just look at this from a football standpoint: if unvaxxed players test positive, they'll likely still miss games, and bring other players with them. So, it stands to reason, that getting vaccinated is just a good football decision (again, ignoring all the other more important layers of this debacle).

 

Can we leave the "layers of American ignorance" out of this going forwards?  This isn't the place for it.  Thank you.  Further such will be unceremoniously snipped.

[Richard Noggin]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No.  We don't.  It was reported by the Buffalo Fanatics podcasters quoting that ever-valuable word "sources" and what they said was 10 players, which would be somewhat higher than 10 percent.

 

 

Can we leave the "layers of American ignorance" out of this going forwards?  This isn't the place for it.  Thank you.  Further such will be unceremoniously snipped.

Sorry. It's more difficult some days than others. That Isaac Asimov quote keeps taunting me. 

 

I'll do better. See also: my most recent post. 

[Patrick Duffy]

3 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

 

This wish may come true

Yeah for sure. I'm not 100% on the $$ issue in regards to that and all as to cap hit and whatnot, but yeah can see it as a possibility. Especially how he looks/performs etc when he does show up. Will see soon enough....

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Why are you immune to the wrath of @Royale with Cheese?

 

He's frickin' demanding I provide data that proves fat people are more at risk for heart disease.............if he asks me to prove that water is wet I might need your help.

Lol, yeah not sure exact details of conversation between you and him and all, but yeah it's pretty well known ppl who are fat/obese are more at risk of heart problems. Although some big players like that also have a lot of muscle and are in shape enough to play in NFL, those types maybe not as much.

 

But your overall fatass like myself for sure...lol

[Punching Bag]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not quite.  They said

 

There's a carrot and a stick in there - if you aren't vaccinated, you aren't eligible for Tier 1 or 2 status. (Stick); if you do get vaccinated, you get benefits with regard to less testing, no quarantine, and fewer PPE requirements.

 

Now the team may have limited number of non-Tier1 and Tier2 positions, so that might hamper your ability to do your job, but it stops short of saying "you must be vaccinated to work here".

 

 

 

 

I wish NFL commissioner would model himself on Teddy Roosevelt.

He used to quote an old African proverb "speak softly, and carry a big stick and you will go far”. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

It is funny how state governments have mandated that fans be vaccinated but not employees.

Yeah that's a good point. I'd assume since it's 50,000+ fans and only 53 players along with the few staff maybe having something to do with it.

[Rochesterfan]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No.  We don't.  It was reported by the Buffalo Fanatics podcasters quoting that ever-valuable word "sources" and what they said was 10 players, which would be somewhat higher than 10 percent.

 

 

Can we leave the "layers of American ignorance" out of this going forwards?  This isn't the place for it.  Thank you.  Further such will be unceremoniously snipped.

 

Correct it is a rumor reported from sources - so who knows if it is 100% true, but  if it is really 10 then we are talking 13%, but they state less than 10 so if it is 8 that is 10% of the players in camp.

 

I personally believe it is probably higher, but I have no sources and this is a legitimate source, but I do not know how much to trust their accuracy or who their sources are and from when they got the info - just that they released it with OTAs.

 

To my point - I could see it impacted some players decisions to come in - especially with the NFLPA putting out the position that players should not attend.  I would just think Star would be in contact with the FO on this and McD did not make it sound that way - so I get the frustration.

 

Matt Parino even said he neglected to follow up with the coach to determine if they have heard anything.  You could hear the frustration, but is it from total lack of contact or a position that I am not coming until I have to.  
 

We just don’t know the whole story.

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, Boxcar said:

What's the point in calling something voluntary if you don't consider it to be voluntary.

There is that..., 

 

 

We all know the coaches and Gms around the league take note, if a player shows up in shape and plays well it is then forgotten, but those that don’t show, and then come in out of shape, we’ll, that doesn’t get forgotten...,team buy in is a big deal in the NFL.

[LABILLBACKER]

Star not showing for OTA's is hardly an earth shattering news development. He'll show up in July at his regular weight and perform for one final year for the Bills. He won't play pro bowl caliber football, but he will perform his job freeing up Ed and the DE's to find gaps. Next year I can see McD going full blown nascar front 4 after Star is gone.

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Lol, yeah not sure exact details of conversation between you and him and all, but yeah it's pretty well known ppl who are fat/obese are more at risk of heart problems. Although some big players like that also have a lot of muscle and are in shape enough to play in NFL, those types maybe not as much.

 

But your overall fatass like myself for sure...lol

A 300 lbs Accountant with a sedentary lifestyle is a lot different than a 300 lbs professional athlete.

 

The issue with the 300 lbs athlete is keeping the same eating habits while not training as hard after they retire.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Correct it is a rumor reported from sources - so who knows if it is 100% true, but  if it is really 10 then we are talking 13%, but they state less than 10 so if it is 8 that is 10% of the players in camp.

 

I personally believe it is probably higher, but I have no sources and this is a legitimate source, but I do not know how much to trust their accuracy or who their sources are and from when they got the info - just that they released it with OTAs.

 

To my point - I could see it impacted some players decisions to come in - especially with the NFLPA putting out the position that players should not attend.  I would just think Star would be in contact with the FO on this and McD did not make it sound that way - so I get the frustration.

 

Matt Parino even said he neglected to follow up with the coach to determine if they have heard anything.  You could hear the frustration, but is it from total lack of contact or a position that I am not coming until I have to.  
 

We just don’t know the whole story.

 

For what it's worth, word is that most teams are in the same boat and ZERO teams have met the 30% vax rate.

[Patrick Duffy]

18 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A 300 lbs Accountant with a sedentary lifestyle is a lot different than a 300 lbs professional athlete.

 

The issue with the 300 lbs athlete is keeping the same eating habits while not training as hard after they retire.

Yeah I know. I said that as well in my post you quoted...Lol did you miss that part bro?

Edited May 26, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy

[BillsFanForever19]

If there's concern from the team over Star, then I think you'll see them pursuing Kawann Short soon. If they don't, then I don't think they're as concerned as everyone else.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by BillsFanForever19

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Yeah I know. I said that as well in my post you quoted...Lol did you miss that part bro?

 

Are you hitting on me?

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Are you hitting on me?

Always.....you just always ignore me....Am I too aggressive?

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

Always.....you just always ignore me....Am I too aggressive?

 

I'm just shy.  For some reason, I like to play the if I don't show interest game, it'll make you want me more.

[John from Riverside]

42 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Star not showing for OTA's is hardly an earth shattering news development. He'll show up in July at his regular weight and perform for one final year for the Bills. He won't play pro bowl caliber football, but he will perform his job freeing up Ed and the DE's to find gaps. Next year I can see McD going full blown nascar front 4 after Star is gone.

All the more reason I felt they should have taken a true 1 tech in this draft.....I dont even care if it means we came out of with with 3 DL

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm just shy.  For some reason, I like to play the if I don't show interest game, it'll make you want me more.

It works......

[Freddie's Dead]

I'll B word when he starts missing mandatory stuff.  Until then, laissez les bon temps roulet!

[LabattBlue]

I just want him back so the Edmunds supporters don’t have his absence as the reason for sucking. 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You made the claim that most 300+ NFL players have medical conditions and were at risk.  LOL.  

That's the data I asked for yet you won't provide because you made it up.

 

 

 

It's time for reading glasses dude.

 

I didn't say 300+..........I said 300#.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, teef said:

Drama.  Some of you mother ***** love the drama. 

 

 

Got to give the people what they want.    I'm working on a dramatic ending for the star saga........this is what I got so far:

 

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's time for reading glasses dude.

 

I didn't say 300+..........I said 300#.

 

LOL, the pettiness you’ll go to.

This is worse than your “25 is over the hill for a RB”.

Cripes.