Punter question

[Toledo Bill]

I remember hearing that Bojo was not retained because he “did not want to be here” (something like that). Although he was inconsistent he had a big leg and I wondered if anyone read or heard more on this. 
On a side note he was not the worlds best “holder” for our other kicker. It made me think how that position has evolved. For a while it was quarterbacks that held and now it is a lot of punters. Question  for old timers, do I remember correctly that at one time Bob Chandler was the holder?

[Thurman#1]

He didn't want to be here at the money they were willing to give him.

[ChevyVanMiller]

1 hour ago, Toledo Bill said:

I remember hearing that Bojo was not retained because he “did not want to be here” (something like that). Although he was inconsistent he had a big leg and I wondered if anyone read or heard more on this. 
On a side note he was not the worlds best “holder” for our other kicker. It made me think how that position has evolved. For a while it was quarterbacks that held and now it is a lot of punters. Question  for old timers, do I remember correctly that at one time Bob Chandler was the holder?

Yes, Chandler was a holder on kicks for the Bills and Raiders. This list ranks him 8th best all-time.

 

http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2019/04/top-holders-and-long-snapper-in-history.html

 

[machine gun kelly]

Toledo, Thurmon is right.  It was sim play a salary issue.  They saved $1 mil., by cutting him.

 

Ive never read anywhere he was not happy in Buffalo.

[hondo in seattle]

I actually heard the same thing Toledo Bill heard - though I don't recall if it was a solid source.  Money was part of the problem but so was geography.  Supposedly, he preferred to be closer to his home/family in California.

 

Maybe I'm in the minority but I was sad to see him go.  That kid can kick the crap out of a football!

 

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by hondo in seattle

[CSBill]

2 hours ago, Toledo Bill said:

I remember hearing that Bojo was not retained because he “did not want to be here” (something like that). Although he was inconsistent he had a big leg and I wondered if anyone read or heard more on this. 
On a side note he was not the worlds best “holder” for our other kicker. It made me think how that position has evolved. For a while it was quarterbacks that held and now it is a lot of punters. Question  for old timers, do I remember correctly that at one time Bob Chandler was the holder?

 

Do you mean our @Chandler#81 - Holder, Wide Receiver, Global Moderator, All-Around Good Guy ???

 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by CSBill

[Cantankeous]

THEE Bobby Chandler! Receiver and place kick holder extraordinaire!

56 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

Yes, Chandler was a holder on kicks for the Bills and Raiders. This list ranks him 8th best all-time.

 

http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2019/04/top-holders-and-long-snapper-in-history.html

 

 

[Dan Darragh]

I remember a playoff game against the Jets where David Humm took the first snap of the game, because the Bills ran back the opening kickoff for a TD and the first snap was the extra point.

 

Sad end for Humm by the way, spent 30 years crippled by MS before dying at age 65.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

He didn't want to be here at the money they were willing to give him.

 

I am also not sure the league (including the Bills front office) values Corey Bojorquez as much as some Bills fans seemed to. After sitting out there for a few weeks he signed in LA where, unless they decide they can't afford Hekker's salary, he has next to no chance of winning the job. That leads me to think it might have been his only option. Teams do not want punters who are, as I have always described Bojo, an adventure. Yes, he has a big leg and he had a better year all told in 2020 (but was used much less). A guy who drops snaps, shanks punts in big moments, has inconsistent hang time and a tendency to line drive punts, is a bad holder.... that turns NFL teams off. Just having a big leg is not enough to compensate. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Yes, but he punts left footed!  There are some intangibles you just can't put a price on...

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I think the fact that New England gets a conditional draft pick every time he signs with a different team has decreased interest in him. 🤔

[Draconator]

50 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 

Do you mean our @Chandler#81 - Holder, Wide Receiver, Global Moderator, All-Around Good Guy ???

 

 

 

 

Don't forget Playgirl centerfold

 

https://vault.si.com/vault/1982/07/12/the-bare-facts-are-hes-a-star

 

The problem, as Oakland Raider Wide Receiver Bob Chandler sees it, was that "I never wanted notoriety for anything other than my playing ability. That's why I had no notoriety." That was before he appeared pretty much in the altogether in the pages of the January 1982 issue of Play girl magazine. "Strange, isn't it," says Chandler, "that after 11 years of busting my ass on the football field, I get the most attention for spending eight hours exposing my ass?"

 

[mabden]

What I heard Beane say was, "We are not on the same page."  wrt Bojo.

[BarleyNY]

If the money is about the same, then I think most players would rather either be near home or on a possible championship team.  The Rams look like a playoff team this year and it’s close to his family so it makes sense to me. 

[Doc]

17 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

If the money is about the same, then I think most players would rather either be near home or on a possible championship team.  The Rams look like a playoff team this year and it’s close to his family so it makes sense to me. 

 

He might be even closer to family...

[Freddie's Dead]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Teams do not want punters who are, as I have always described Bojo, an adventure. Yes, he has a big leg and he had a better year all told in 2020 (but was used much less). A guy who drops snaps, shanks punts in big moments, has inconsistent hang time and a tendency to line drive punts, is a bad holder.... that turns NFL teams off. Just having a big leg is not enough to compensate. 

 

You forgot the unilateral fake field goal.  He should have been cut immediately after that cluster *****.

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

If the money is about the same, then I think most players would rather either be near home or on a possible championship team.  The Rams look like a playoff team this year and it’s close to his family so it makes sense to me. 

 

But he is very unlikely to make the team..... 

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But he is very unlikely to make the team..... 

 

Do we already have his replacement, or do you think he'll come back here after "getting on the same page," as Beane?

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Do we already have his replacement, or do you think he'll come back here after "getting on the same page," as Beane?

 

$2.25m in dead cap if they cut Haack now. I think they are pretty fixed on him being their guy this year. They haven't even brought another camp leg in yet that I have seen. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

They haven't even brought another camp leg in yet that I have seen. 

JA#17!  Dude does everything !

[BarleyNY]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But he is very unlikely to make the team..... 

Oh, ouch.  Then he should’ve gone wherever he had the best chance to make a team

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, Toledo Bill said:

I remember hearing that Bojo was not retained because he “did not want to be here” (something like that). Although he was inconsistent he had a big leg and I wondered if anyone read or heard more on this. 
On a side note he was not the worlds best “holder” for our other kicker. It made me think how that position has evolved. For a while it was quarterbacks that held and now it is a lot of punters. Question  for old timers, do I remember correctly that at one time Bob Chandler was the holder?

Absolutely he was.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

Oh, ouch.  Then he should’ve gone wherever he had the best chance to make a team

 

It is that which makes me think he didn't have many options. I mean there is a chance that Hekker gets cut for cap reasons:

 

Hekker on the team = $4.9m on the cap

Bojo on the team = $3.3m on the cap ($2.3m dead cap from Hekker plus $1m cap hit for Bojo)

 

But that is the only way Bojo is getting that job. Feels an odd place to go if you have other options. 

[Bangarang]

The shame of eating wings with ranch was too much for him and he left town like a quitter.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

In my view, we dodged a bullet when Bojo was unreasonable on money.  As we all know, he started off here really poorly-- with mistakes that went well beyond punting (bad holds, dropping snaps, kicks blocked).  I think he seemed to turn it around a little last year-- but I am not sure anyone was super confident with him on the field. He has a big leg, but would outkick coverage; he was still prone to shank; and other than one absolutely gorgeous coffin corner kick, he wasn't great at pinning teams inside the 10.  I also think his success last year was skewed a little given his sample size also shrunk. 

 

In the end, I think he was an okay option-- but I am much more excited about the new guy, who seems like a guy with much more skill and finesse in pinning teams deep (which, in my view, is more valuable that booming your occasional 65-yard punts). 

[Matt_In_NH]

I remember hearing on OBL that the issue was performance...and not stats.   Speculation was maybe he did not always execute the punt that was expected.  Which I think lines up with the consistency issue.

[HOUSE]

The guy likes ranch dressing

[Doc]

Bojo got no guaranteed money from the Rams.  He sorely overplayed his hand.

[Punching Bag]

I like the fact that Matt Haack is already working with Isaiah McKenzie. 

He will never punt to him and McKenzie does not take many snaps on special teams but it shows him trying to bond with players already.

Now if only if Webb had invited the two of them to their off season workout.

He worked out with "Kohl's Professional Camps" before and I hope he books some time with them.

[Matt_In_NH]

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2021/03/18/grade-for-the-buffalo-bills-signing-punter-matt-haack/

 

This article makes a good point, we can expect less touhbacks with Haack.

Edited May 10, 2021 by mattynh
Fixed link

[Punching Bag]

38 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2021/03/17/buffalo-bills-levi-wallaces-return-improves-depth-cornerback/

 

This article makes a good point, we can expect less touhbacks with Haack.

 

Think you pasted wrong link.

https://buffalowdown.com/2021/03/18/grade-for-the-buffalo-bills-signing-punter-matt-haack/

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In his career, Haack has an average of 44.7 yards per punt which isn’t necessarily the longest but what he is very accurate with his punts. He has an average of 37.4% of his punts being downed inside the 20 yard line. What is more impressive is that while he has 114 punts that landed inside the 20 he has had only 15 touchbacks. In the past two seasons, he has had a touchback rate under 3.0% while Corey Bojorquez last season was over 10%.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

 

14 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Think you pasted wrong link.

https://buffalowdown.com/2021/03/18/grade-for-the-buffalo-bills-signing-punter-matt-haack/

 

Thanks, no idea how that happened, never even read that other article.

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

Thanks, no idea how that happened, never even read that other article.

 

No problem that is my role - spelling & grammar nazi and help desk.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Limeaid

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Oh, ouch.  Then he should’ve gone wherever he had the best chance to make a team

I seen him today he was standin' on a corner
Leaning up against a post.

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I don't believe he's trying to find no job. 🤨

[djp14150]

2 hours ago, mattynh said:

I remember hearing on OBL that the issue was performance...and not stats.   Speculation was maybe he did not always execute the punt that was expected.  Which I think lines up with the consistency issue.

he couldn’t pin thrm inside the 10 on punts.  It was lays touchback or worse.

 

if hep,a YS in LA he has better pu t stats on yardage dam the end zone thing.

[BarleyNY]

15 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I seen him today he was standin' on a corner
Leaning up against a post.

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I don't believe he's trying to find no job. 🤨

But he’s tired!  Been walking’ all day

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, djp14150 said:

he couldn’t pin thrm inside the 10 on punts.  It was lays touchback or worse.

 

if hep,a YS in LA he has better pu t stats on yardage dam the end zone thing.

Are you having an aneurysm?

[Albany,n.y.]

7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

I actually heard the same thing Toledo Bill heard - though I don't recall if it was a solid source.  Money was part of the problem but so was geography.  Supposedly, he preferred to be closer to his home/family in California.

 

Maybe I'm in the minority but I was sad to see him go.  That kid can kick the crap out of a football!

 

 

He's going to be really close to his family because he is not making the Rams 53 man roster. 

[Matt_In_NH]

13 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

he couldn’t pin thrm inside the 10 on punts.  It was lays touchback or worse.

 

if hep,a YS in LA he has better pu t stats on yardage dam the end zone thing.

Can you translate to English?

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

But he’s tired!  Been walking’ all day

 

That don't confront me...

[Bulldog]

10 hours ago, Toledo Bill said:

I remember hearing that Bojo was not retained because he “did not want to be here” (something like that). Although he was inconsistent he had a big leg and I wondered if anyone read or heard more on this. 
On a side note he was not the worlds best “holder” for our other kicker. It made me think how that position has evolved. For a while it was quarterbacks that held and now it is a lot of punters. Question  for old timers, do I remember correctly that at one time Bob Chandler was the holder?

The inability to be a top notch holder cannot be one of the primary reasons that Bojo was allowed to walk -- I heard Tony Romo say that proficiency at this skill was just not very important ... he would know.