GunnerBill Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said: I’d add Frank Reich to your list. As the Eagles offensive coordinator he out-coached Bill Belichick in the Super Bowl. He’s done an equally good job as head coach. I have Reich in the list that is comparable. If I had Reich I probably wouldn't swap him for McDermott, but equally the same applies the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Logic said: That's about what I was thinking, too. The one omission that merits discussion is Mike Tomlin. Even though I don't personally like Mike Tomlin very much, it's worth noting that he hasn't had a losing season in 14 years, has a Super Bowl win on his resume, and currently has a better career win percentage than Bill Cowher or Chuck Noll. Thanks for adding Tomlin to the list. I think that with him, the list is complete. The thing is those guys are all much more experienced. McDermott sometimes fails at game management, but much less now that he used to. If he can keep improving himself, that will get sorted. The overlooked factor in our McBeane love is the contributions of veteran players like Lorax and Kyle Williams. Once the cancers had been removed, these guys really stepped up and taught the younger guys how to win. They both deserve to be on the Bills' Wall for what they did at the end of their careers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Just now, Mr. WEO said: "why I think the Bills aren't going anywhere when it comes to contending"? lol She really didn't sell the "I'm about to cry" hard enough though--I was left wanting more. She needs to work on that. I do read your posts sometimes WEO and think you are as stone hearted as I am. I think we are kindred spirits in that sense. Emotions irritate me. 1 minute ago, Utah John said: Thanks for adding Tomlin to the list. I think that with him, the list is complete. The thing is those guys are all much more experienced. McDermott sometimes fails at game management, but much less now that he used to. If he can keep improving himself, that will get sorted. The overlooked factor in our McBeane love is the contributions of veteran players like Lorax and Kyle Williams. Once the cancers had been removed, these guys really stepped up and taught the younger guys how to win. They both deserve to be on the Bills' Wall for what they did at the end of their careers Tomlin fails at game management plenty too. I think Tomlin might be the best motivator in the league and he is a good developer of talent (again given good talent by a good front office). But I don't think he is a great Xs and Os guy or a great game strategist. His record does speak for itself though. The test for him comes when he doesn't have Big Ben. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I do read your posts sometimes WEO and think you are as stone hearted as I am. I think we are kindred spirits in that sense. Emotions irritate me. Tomlin fails at game management plenty too. I think Tomlin might be the best motivator in the league and he is a good developer of talent (again given good talent by a good front office). But I don't think he is a great Xs and Os guy or a great game strategist. His record does speak for itself though. The test for him comes when he doesn't have Big Ben. Genuine emotion is ok. Hers was pretty suspect. Daryl Williams's contract and a player saying the team was like family really put her over the edge! She was as close to actually crying as Ertz is to being traded to the Bills. When they re-sign Josh, she will be (almost) completely hysterical... Cheers! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Kwai San said: As Billy Idol would sing.... They ran... But they couldn't get away.... Ok just guessing here Wasn't that song by A Flock of Seagulls? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm of Harm Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have Reich in the list that is comparable. If I had Reich I probably wouldn't swap him for McDermott, but equally the same applies the other way around. I’d argue that Reich is one of the best X’s and O’s coaches in the NFL, and is superior to McDermott in that aspect. Both McDermott and Reich are very good at providing leadership and at creating a winning culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Arm of Harm said: I’d argue that Reich is one of the best X’s and O’s coaches in the NFL, and is superior to McDermott in that aspect. Both McDermott and Reich are very good at providing leadership and at creating a winning culture. You'll find out if this is true this year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said: I’d argue that Reich is one of the best X’s and O’s coaches in the NFL, and is superior to McDermott in that aspect. Both McDermott and Reich are very good at providing leadership and at creating a winning culture. I disagree. I think McDermott is one of the top 3 defensive Xs and Os guys in the entire NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Love the culture and love K. Jones. She is an awesome person, always been a fan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You'll find out if this is true this year... If he can fix the tire fire that is Carson Wentz then I will be advocating for Reich as coach of the year, regardless of what the Colts record is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm of Harm Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Genuine emotion is ok. Hers was pretty suspect. Daryl Williams's contract and a player saying the team was like family really put her over the edge! She was as close to actually crying as Ertz is to being traded to the Bills. When they re-sign Josh, she will be (almost) completely hysterical... Cheers! She’s not my type either physically or in terms of personality. As for the latter: hers seems to be a businesswoman personality, or at least that’s how she comes across. By that I mean a woman personality which is logical, confident, and ambitious, but lacking in gentleness, warmth, vulnerability, or nurturing instinct. For someone with a businesswoman personality to seemingly get all choked up over a player’s contract extension does indeed come across as insincere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Well let's leave the Hoodie aside for obvious reasons.... I think John Harbaugh is the best coach not name Belichick in the league. 13 seasons, 9 playoff years, 1 losing record, and a Superbowl win and his Quarterbacks have been Joe Flacco and Lamar Jackson. Commendable players both, but neither is close to an elite guy. Andy Reid will go to the HoF so probably him two great runs with two different franchises. After that.... possibly Sean Payton although I think he should have more than 1 ring with the talent he has had in New Orleans. That might be my list. What are your thoughts on Frank Reich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Logic said: That's about what I was thinking, too. The one omission that merits discussion is Mike Tomlin. Even though I don't personally like Mike Tomlin very much, it's worth noting that he hasn't had a losing season in 14 years, has a Super Bowl win on his resume, and currently has a better career win percentage than Bill Cowher or Chuck Noll. The Steelers have to be one of the most stable organizations in sports. Chuck Noll 1969-91, Bill Cowher 1992-06, Mike Tomlin 2007-present. Just 3 head coaches in 52 years, 8 Super Bowl appearances, 6 Lombardi's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said: She’s not my type either physically or in terms of personality. As for the latter: hers seems to be a businesswoman personality, or at least that’s how she comes across. By that I mean a woman personality which is logical, confident, and ambitious, but lacking in gentleness, warmth, vulnerability, or nurturing instinct. For someone with a businesswoman personality to seemingly get all choked up over a player’s contract extension does indeed come across as insincere. Oy vey. The over-analysis of a 90-second talking head clip in this thread his hilarious. And what the ***** does the bolded have to do with anything? Nevermind, I don't even really want to hear an answer. Jones was emotionally affected because a large, imposing athlete in a sport where brutality and violence and tough guy stoicism are encouraged felt secure and supported enough in his environment to open up and be himself and be vulnerable. EGADS! Sound the alarms! An overly emotional (and maybe insincere, and definitely not some people's cup of tea, appearance-wise) woman is blabbering about vulnerability. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Ok just guessing here Wasn't that song by A Flock of Seagulls? I was truly wondering if ANYONE would catch that!!! Good catch! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm of Harm Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I disagree. I think McDermott is one of the top 3 defensive Xs and Os guys in the entire NFL. There are times when he seems that way. I remember a game against the Patriots a year or two ago when the Bills defensive plan resulted in a near compete shutdown of Brady and the Patriots offense. On the other hand the defensive game planning against the Chiefs was suspect both games this past year. In the postseason the Chiefs offense cut through the Bills defense like a hot knife through butter. The Chiefs offense was far more successful against the Bills than it was in either of its other two postseason games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If he can fix the tire fire that is Carson Wentz then I will be advocating for Reich as coach of the year, regardless of what the Colts record is. Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Arm of Harm said: There are times when he seems that way. I remember a game against the Patriots a year or two ago when the Bills defensive plan resulted in a near compete shutdown of Brady and the Patriots offense. On the other hand the defensive game planning against the Chiefs was suspect both games this past year. In the postseason the Chiefs offense cut through the Bills defense like a hot knife through butter. The Chiefs offense was far more successful against the Bills than it was in either of its other two postseason games. Yep. We do not match up well defensively with what the Chiefs want to do offensively and while people seem to think it is easy to just throw out the fundamentals of your entire scheme for one game it really isn't. They need to tweak the personnel on that side and make some tweaks to their scheme with the Chiefs especially in mind. But when you are the defense the Bills are you can't suddenly become something else just for one week no matter how good an Xs and Os guy you are. The first plan against the Chiefs was hard to watch but it wasn't actually a bad plan. The offense was the problem that day. Indeed in both games against the Chiefs our protection scheme on offense was much of a problem as the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Logic said: Oy vey. The over-analysis of a 90-second talking head clip in this thread his hilarious. And what the ***** does the bolded have to do with anything? Nevermind, I don't even really want to hear an answer. Jones was emotionally affected because a large, imposing athlete in a sport where brutality and violence and tough guy stoicism are encouraged felt secure and supported enough in his environment to open up and be himself and be vulnerable. EGADS! Sound the alarms! An overly emotional (and maybe insincere, and definitely not some people's cup of tea, appearance-wise) woman is blabbering about vulnerability. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! For the 1st bolded, it seemed she really wasn't, but announced that she was. That's ok though---she's an entertainer. The 2nd bolded, good for Williams and his success, but he's a football player using a time honored cliche to say he is satisfied where he is. Also, "tough guy stoicism" went out the window with the advent of social media.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Sometimes in life you just have a moment that turns everything around for you. Sport is the same. The moment Terry and Kim Pegula decided to hire Sean McDermott the future of this franchise changed. I like Kris Richard (who we interviewed in that cycle) I believe he could be a good head coach someday. I like Anthony Lynn as a guy.... but we would still be spinning our wheels had we hired either of them. Everything changed the moment McDermott walked into the building. Give the Pegulas credit for hiring him, give Beane credit for working alongside him so carefully, give credit to Josh Allen for working his tail off to get better and better. But it starts with Sean McDermott. The number of coaches in football I'd swap him for is extremely small. I'm not sure I'd swap him for anyone. He seems to be getting better and better as time goes on. He could be here for a very long time. I remember tearing my hair out at all the times he used to punt with 4th and short, at around midfield. Now you can see the creativity and analytical savvy percolating in his brain as time goes on. I might have said Kyle Shanahan at one point before I discovered that he hatches assassination plots on his own players. Andy Reid is obviously still an amazing coach, and I think the NFL should mandate that he wear a face shield every game even when Covid spread is a minor consideration, but I want a guy who's gonna take this team places for a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Logic said: I must admit that when I started this thread, I did not think there would be a greater than zero number of people griping about an “overly emotional woman”. Live and learn. Idiots will complain about anything! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Everyone loves the Bills because weve been terrible, not a threat to anyone, eventually the hate will make its way here. My point is I cant stand this lady! Its just these typical PR fluff pieces or her trying to turn the NFL into anything other than actual football 🤮. I hate politics in football, but understand its a small part of it and is never going away. Shes trying to turn it into 90% off field/10% football, and can kick rocks. Leave our beloved sport alone and quit with the soap opera narratives 🤮🤮🤮 There's no way in hell this is a legitimate post. Oh wait -- you're in Hickory, NC? Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 " May the Process be with you " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm of Harm Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. We do not match up well defensively with what the Chiefs want to do offensively and while people seem to think it is easy to just throw out the fundamentals of your entire scheme for one game it really isn't. They need to tweak the personnel on that side and make some tweaks to their scheme with the Chiefs especially in mind. But when you are the defense the Bills are you can't suddenly become something else just for one week no matter how good an Xs and Os guy you are. The first plan against the Chiefs was hard to watch but it wasn't actually a bad plan. The offense was the problem that day. Indeed in both games against the Chiefs our protection scheme on offense was much of a problem as the defense. Buffalo716 knows far more about football than me. According to some of his posts the Bills defense is predictable and has been figured out. This past season the defense only had one good performance against a good QB: Justin Herbert. That datum certainly seems to bear out 716’s hypothesis, though I realize there were other factors affecting the defense’s performance besides just coaching. The defensive scheme may need to change, both due to the concerns 716 has raised and the factors you bring up in your post. The road to the Super Bowl goes through Kansas City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 The baby is finally here and it is crowning! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said: Buffalo716 knows far more about football than me. According to some of his posts the Bills defense is predictable and has been figured out. This past season the defense only had one good performance against a good QB: Justin Herbert. That datum certainly seems to bear out 716’s hypothesis, though I realize there were other factors affecting the defense’s performance besides just coaching. The defensive scheme may need to change, both due to the concerns 716 has raised and the factors you bring up in your post. The road to the Super Bowl goes through Kansas City. So I agree with 716 too, it did become a bit predictable but I also attribute a lot of that predictability to how poor we were on 1st down. It forced us into more vanilla coverages on 2nd and 3rd down. So in part that is about tweaking the scheme and they absolutely should not just stand still and say "this is what we do" and roll out exactly the same, in part it is about adding more difference makers on that side of the ball, and in large part it is about just being more stout at the point of attack on first down. It limits any DC's call sheet when he looks up at 2nd and short as often as the Bills did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Kim Jones is a pro. NFL network is lucky to have her 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. We do not match up well defensively with what the Chiefs want to do offensively and while people seem to think it is easy to just throw out the fundamentals of your entire scheme for one game it really isn't. . . . But when you are the defense the Bills are you can't suddenly become something else just for one week no matter how good an Xs and Os guy you are. This is probably the best argument for us NOT drafting defense this year. Because the feeling is that we need more D to overcome the Chiefs. There have been many arguments made for why we should add offense, but I think you really hit the nail here. 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: . . . they absolutely should not just stand still and say "this is what we do" and roll out exactly the same, in part it is about adding more difference makers on that side of the ball, and in large part it is about just being more stout at the point of attack on first down. It limits any DC's call sheet when he looks up at 2nd and short as often as the Bills did. But I DO want a big fat Saturn-shaped human in the later rounds. To just sit there and be immovable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: Heart warming story, but, what’s up with this reporter? Her emotions are all over the place. She needs to get control of her-self. Not a good impression or influence. You're the second person to complain. There's nothing wrong with this at all. Very human and nice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 17 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Kim Jones is a pro. NFL network is lucky to have her . I think she has more fun covering the Bills than the Jests. BTW to the "real man" who doesn't like her getting emotional she has been close to the shiitt show that was WRex. The turn around in culture here is remarkable not many teams can right the ship this fast. I get emotional too when I think about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 On 4/29/2021 at 12:07 PM, BillsShredder83 said: Her job is to elicit feminine emotions from viewers who are uninterested in football, into becoming fans. She sucks🤮 This is so dumb, it is hard to tell if you are being serious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 On 4/29/2021 at 12:34 PM, McBean said: Anybody remember the Buddy Nix days? Slept through it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 22 hours ago, Boxcar said: I'm not sure I'd swap him for anyone. He seems to be getting better and better as time goes on. He could be here for a very long time. I remember tearing my hair out at all the times he used to punt with 4th and short, at around midfield. Now you can see the creativity and analytical savvy percolating in his brain as time goes on. Thats how he had to win back then. The offense was below average and the defense was solid and opportunistic. He was putting his best players on the field to win the game Since it resulted in a playoff appearance, I'll take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: Hmm, that gesture... Looks like Mel Lastman's 'NOOOOOOOBODY!' cry he used in the Bad Boy commercials. * Why does nobody grouse over this?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Can’t help it, Kim Jones turns me on..🥰 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Slept through it As many recall, so did Buddy. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: Can’t help it, Kim Jones turns me on..🥰 That’s it! I’m telling you’re wife, girlfriend and boy that keeps jumping on you’re lawn. 🤔🏈🤪😜😂😷🤬😇🏋️♀️ the las imogie was for barbarian. He loves that powerlifting thing. have a good weekend my friend. all aside, I think mcb will figure out two nice adds tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Omg, the dinosaurs in this place. Can’t talk about covid, can’t handle lady reporters and their lady brains with their lady emotions. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 On 4/29/2021 at 11:21 AM, Logic said: Really?!?! An eye roll for this clip... 😤🙄🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) On 4/29/2021 at 11:33 AM, Logic said: It really is amazing. Just four short years ago, the words toxic" and "dumpster fire" were being used to describe the Bills culture. Now? Players signing for less, talking openly about loving each other and loving this team and city, and reporters getting choked up talking about how great it is. Talk about a turnaround! Don't forget the snarky "McBean" phrase. Edited May 1, 2021 by RaoulDuke79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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