Logic Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Draconator said: I guess we'll see. If no one makes a good offer, I absolutely believe they'll hang on to him for the season. If someone comes knocking with a 3rd round draft pick, though? The 49ers would be wise to start to recoup some of the draft capital they just gave up in this trade, and getting a decent pick back for a guy that's not in their long term plans is smart business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patzen Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, nucci said: you can still get very good to great players from No.12 and lower. Yes, that is very true, but it's not as likely. Miami has to be right on Tua and hit on the extra picks they got for this to be good for them. I don't think they're gonna pull it off, which is why I like the trade, but I'll definitely admit that I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Miami has moved back up to 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Lmao, ok then! This trade doesn't seem great for then, gave up too much to move from 12 to 6. But at the end of the day, Miami is going to end up with the #1 WR taken in the draft, and gained a 1st and 3rd round pick in the process. Edited March 26, 2021 by Process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Gave the 12 and a first next year to Philly for 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Im going against the grain here. I hate the trade from a SF standpoint if they are planning on going QB. Basically waiting to see what is leftover from the first 2 picks in no control.... However, I wonder if this is for Pitts, Sewell, or Chase (or even Surtain). I could see the justification and huge upside for any one of those guys. Pick #3 basically gives them a 1OA for all non-QB players. By all accounts, Sewell and Pitts are 1x in a generation talents at their positions. Kittle and Pitts could be a nightmare. Unlikely it's for a receiver. They already have Kittle, Samuel and Aiuk. They're set there. Gotta be for a QB and they must love Fields, Jones or Lance, because that's what's going to be available there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 27 minutes ago, Logic said: I guess they believe in Tua enough to give him a couple seasons to prove he's "the guy". If he's not, they have extra 1sts the next few drafts as well. Honestly, I feel like the value isn’t there. Top 3 vs top 12 is a big difference. It all depends on how San Fran does and where those picks are the next two years. I get how the charts work I would have wanted their 2nd this year. I’m also not sure I’d give that up not knowing who will be there at 3. Are all of these QB’s interchangeable? Dolphins should get a solid receiver at 12 I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just now, mannc said: Unlikely it's for a receiver. They already have Kittle, Samuel and Aiuk. They're set there. Gotta be for a QB and they must love Fields, Jones or Lance, because that's what's going to be available there. And because it’s no secret they blame jimmy G for the SB loss and don’t see him as the answer. They want more upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Process said: Lmao, ok then! Wow! So they got a third and a 2023 first to move back from 3 to 6. I don't think that's very good value for Phins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I’m not as excited as some of you. That’s a helluva trade package for Miami. They have serious ammo. For who though?? I think this was a horrible trade on Miami’s part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, mannc said: Wow! So they got a third and a 2023 first to move back from 3 to 6. I don't think that's very good value for Phins. Bring out the Chart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 This trade bothers me on the Najee Harris front, Crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said: For who though?? I think this was a horrible trade on Miami’s part Why horrible? They didn’t want a qb, will still get the guy they want, and added a 1st and 3rd. I’d be happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: For who though?? I think this was a horrible trade on Miami’s part That’s the point, for whoever they want. Doesn’t have to be for this draft. They have ammo for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Pitts back in play for Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And there were zero successful Texas tech, Wyoming, cal, Louisville, Oregon etc before mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Lamar, Herbert etc. Scout the player, not the helmet. Colleges go through scheme and coaching changes and each player is different. Ohio state has never had a talent at QB like Fields before, nor a QB coach like Day at the helm for him. Fair point. But you have to admit that it is awfully weird that one very elite school has had so many NFL misses. It's not like these other schools recruit as well or have as highly touted and highly performing college QB's as Ohio State. Haskens, Fields, Troy Smith, Cardale Jones, Pryor, Braxton Miller, even Kenny Guiton. These guys all kill it in college, and then many of them are rated as very good pro prospects, and none panned out. It's very odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 43 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Zach Wilson I'm thinking Sounds like Wilson to the Jets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Virgil said: Honestly, I feel like the value isn’t there. Top 3 vs top 12 is a big difference. It all depends on how San Fran does and where those picks are the next two years. I get how the charts work I would have wanted their 2nd this year. I’m also not sure I’d give that up not knowing who will be there at 3. Are all of these QB’s interchangeable? Dolphins should get a solid receiver at 12 I guess they just moved up to 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, DJB said: Sounds like Wilson to the Jets Jets GM, HC and OC are at Wilson’s pro day right now. He’s basically a lock to go to NY at this point. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 What are the 49ers doing? They're pulling a Jets. Trading up to #3 to select either the 2nd or 3rd QB off the board with no idea who exactly will be on the draft board. Is it possible they know who Saleh and the Jets will or will not take at #2 because of his connections to the 49ers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedingreennc Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: What are the 49ers doing? They're pulling a Jets. Trading up to #3 to select either the 2nd or 3rd QB off the board with no idea who exactly will be on the draft board. Is it possible they know who Saleh and the Jets will or will not take at #2 because of his connections to the 49ers? I have no idea, someone might get froggy and offer the world for the 2nd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, nucci said: they just moved up to 6 9. From 12 to 3. Unless I’m missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Fair point. But you have to admit that it is awfully weird that one very elite school has had so many NFL misses. It's not like these other schools recruit as well or have as highly touted and highly performing college QB's as Ohio State. Haskens, Fields, Troy Smith, Cardale Jones, Pryor, Braxton Miller, even Kenny Guiton. These guys all kill it in college, and then many of them are rated as very good pro prospects, and none panned out. It's very odd to me. Not really that weird considering their offenses have for decades and various HCs been - except for 1 year with Troy smith - very conservative when it comes to being passing oriented. Troy smith wasn’t even recruited as a QB So that wasn’t only a fluke, he was never considered an NFL Qb. They couldn’t get elite NFL type Qb talent to go there. Until now... which is all Ryan Day. Edited March 26, 2021 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Is it really going to be QB at 1,2, and 3 now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said: I have no idea, someone might get froggy and offer the world for the 2nd pick Possible. My gut tells me your Jets are not taking a QB at #2. I wonder if the 49ers know that and are thinking they have their pick of the field at #3 after Lawernce is taken. Edited March 26, 2021 by Sammy Watkins' Rib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedingreennc Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Possible. My gut tells your Jets are not taking a QB at #2. I wonder if the 49ers know that and are thinking they have their pick of the field at #3 after Lawernce is taken. I would be fine either way, i think Carolina decides to make the jump, i would love some serious draft capital! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 It's not a terrible deal for Miami. My concern for them was their o-line though. I was thinking just stay at #3 and pick up the top rated LT. And if they want to deal back into the top 12 of the draft use their 2nd first round pick they had to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 44 minutes ago, Draconator said: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Possible. My gut tells me your Jets are not taking a QB at #2. I wonder if the 49ers know that and are thinking they have their pick of the field at #3 after Lawernce is taken. Nope. The Jets would have traded that pick to SF if they weren't going to take a QB. I'm sure SF inquired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 47 minutes ago, Doc said: Wilson probably goes 2nd to the Jets. Probably Fields. Feel like its more likely Lance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Bleedingreennc said: I would be fine either way, i think Carolina decides to make the jump, i would love some serious draft capital! I agree. Different situation since the Jets do have the #2 overall pick whereas the Bills only had the #10 overall pick, but in McDermott's first draft they passed on a QB and went into the season with Taylor knowing he likely was not the long-term answer. Jets can do the same. Build up the talent this year in other spots and take the young QB in year 2. And with the way things are playing out maybe next off-season will be the year to go after Watson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And there were zero successful Texas tech, Wyoming, cal, Louisville QBs If they just use the initial of your last name.... yeah you were probably successful. If you want to ignore everything from before 1990 or some other arbitrary date well I can't argue with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Not really that weird considering their offenses have for decades and various HCs been - except for 1 year with Troy smith - very conservative when it comes to being passing oriented. They couldn’t get elite NFL type Qb talent to go there. Until now... which is all Ryan Day. you know the team better than me. But Terrell Pryor was arguably the most hyped future NFL superstar recruit out of High School in my lifetime. He had some great passing seasons at Ohio State too under Tressell. And even guys like JT Barrett had 3,000 yard passing seasons. I do think back when those earlier dual threat players were coming out (Smith and Pryor), the NFL was much different. If Pryor came out today, you wonder if he would have been developed into a very good/great NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Cam Newton and Jimmy G trade in 3,2,1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Virgil said: 9. From 12 to 3. Unless I’m missing something Miami went from 3 to 12 to 6. Sorry if I typed that incorrectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 53 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Also......possible Jimmy G back to NE on trade??? That’s two automatic wins for the Bills go for it Coach Hoodie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 54 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Also......possible Jimmy G back to NE on trade??? I was thinking the same thing and the Pats still draft Mac Jones at 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Possible. My gut tells me your Jets are not taking a QB at #2. I wonder if the 49ers know that and are thinking they have their pick of the field at #3 after Lawernce is taken. Bye bye Garropolo? read here though that he was an excellent QB and just hasnt been given the right opportunity by Shanahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Cam Newton and Jimmy G trade in 3,2,1... Wait someone would give the Pats something for Newton?? Really?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said: Wait someone would give the Pats something for Newton?? Really?! Haha. One teams trash another teams trash in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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