Getting my 1st Covid vaccination Tuesday

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Oh, now you go all “mathy” on us! I think that one was on the SAT. I didn’t sign up for that!  

 

My understanding is that it’s 65% against getting it, but close to 100% against being hospitalized or dying. That’s good enough for me, quite honestly. I’d have taken whatever I could get first, then wait for them to learn more.

 

Bottom line, I’m just glad my two shots are behind me, even if the hack who gave me the first one did make me sore for a day. The two shots were administered with VERY different levels of deftness. The professional nurse was better than the guy who looked like he’d never held a needle before and clumsily dropped all his stuff inside my car. 

re JJ, you are right:

 

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/why-the-johnson-johnson-vaccine-is-more-effective-than-you-think

 

In clinical trials, the J&J vaccine showed 66% overall efficacy against Covid-19 while the other vaccines showed percentages around 95%. But, Dr. Papa explains, those aren’t the numbers that matter. The question is how well the vaccines protect against serious disease.

In Johnson & Johnson’s published results, its vaccine was 85% effective in preventing severe disease and, most important, “demonstrated complete protection against COVID-19 related hospitalization and death as of Day 28.”

 

 

[frostbitmic]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

re JJ, you are right:

 

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/why-the-johnson-johnson-vaccine-is-more-effective-than-you-think

 

In clinical trials, the J&J vaccine showed 66% overall efficacy against Covid-19 while the other vaccines showed percentages around 95%. But, Dr. Papa explains, those aren’t the numbers that matter. The question is how well the vaccines protect against serious disease.

In Johnson & Johnson’s published results, its vaccine was 85% effective in preventing severe disease and, most important, “demonstrated complete protection against COVID-19 related hospitalization and death as of Day 28.”

 

 

Ha, that's my doctor.

 

A week or so ago I signed up with Monroe County and have a May 2nd appointment. Tonight about 10 I received a text from my chart saying they have openings tomorrow, so I made a morning appointment and we'll see what happens. Not sure which one they have but it doesn't matter to me.

[Marv's Neighbor]

12 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Not sure what it's like by you, but it seems like a free for all by me. You get a choice in that you can choose the facility you get an appointment with. But getting an appointment has been a chore.  I'm on Long Island and one thing I've heard is that it's easier to get an appointment if you're willing to drive a few hours and get vaccinated upstate.

We live S of Richmond VA.  Were on a number of "lists" but never got contacted.  A friend of a friend tipped us off about a site about an hour from here.  We signed up, they confirmed, and we were there for both shots.  There was no choice, they were using Pfizer.  Had to drive to Stuart VA.  I know, I never heard of it either, but it did the trick!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Got the jab Feb 5th.  Drove 3 hrs and 200 miles one way, back on Feb 26 for #2.  Pfizer.  No problems.  Sore arm, bit of fatigue but 6 hrs of driving can do that.  What @SinceThe70s said, that's how it is here.  If you're able and willing to travel away from the population centers appointments are relatively available.  If you can't, much tougher.

 

Have since successfully helped 6 qualified folks obtain local appointments.  Shouldn't be this way but, It Is What It Is.

 

On 3/19/2021 at 6:36 PM, DrW said:

Moderna. First shot at the end of January (Texas priority 1B), no aftereffects at all. Second shot at the end of February; no fever, but some muscle pain, not only at the injection site. Played it up a bit, to avoid yard work for the weekend. Then wifey asked if I, instead of doing yard work, could help her a bit with her NIH grant. So, instead of 4-6 hours yard work, I spent 12+ hours proofreading, editing, and making diagrams.

 

HA serves you right!

[Rocket94]

On 3/19/2021 at 12:13 PM, Chandler#81 said:

I’ve been eligible from nearly the start because of my age, but uh.. my State hasn’t been very good about distribution. My 87 year old parents finally got their 1st vac 10 days ago..

 

Anyway, I’m glad to get it. Daughter & Grandies are coming for Easter. Haven’t seen or hugged them in over a year. 

 

Anyone else care to share if they’ve received a dose?

I received a my first in a two part series. I am due back in two weeks. A little arm stiffness (of course) and maybe my back for a day. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

We live S of Richmond VA.  Were on a number of "lists" but never got contacted.  A friend of a friend tipped us off about a site about an hour from here.  We signed up, they confirmed, and we were there for both shots.  There was no choice, they were using Pfizer.  Had to drive to Stuart VA.  I know, I never heard of it either, but it did the trick!

the random ad hoc way these vaccines are being distributed will be sort of interesting to study after the fact. I would like to see how the different states implemented their procedures. My sense is that mass decentralization down to the local level (county, town, borough) has been more effective than the states that have tried to centralize the process. 
 

it seems like everyone I have spoken to in a number of different states that have been vaccinated— that happened through a friend of a friend or some random referral or word of mouth, traveling to a remote Spot, etc. 

 

[mead107]

Wife got first shot 2 weeks ago today. (M)
got my first shot 2 weeks ago tomorrow. (M)

little tired I had no problem 

Wife had sore arm for couple days. Tired. 
 

this week both of us got stuffy, nasal drip kind of like a cold. Been hanging on for 3-4 days. 
called wellnow and asked if we should get tested for the virus. 
nurse said no. She told us several of her coworkers had the same thing.  She said several other people have called with same problems.  
 

April 5th my next shot and wife April 8. 

 

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[ExiledInIllinois]

3 hours ago, mead107 said:

Wife got first shot 2 weeks ago today. (M)
got my first shot 2 weeks ago tomorrow. (M)

little tired I had no problem 

Wife had sore arm for couple days. Tired. 
 

this week both of us got stuffy, nasal drip kind of like a cold. Been hanging on for 3-4 days. 
called wellnow and asked if we should get tested for the virus. 
nurse said no. She told us several of her coworkers had the same thing.  She said several other people have called with same problems.  
 

April 5th my next shot and wife April 8. 

 

 Common cold is a coronavirus. 

 

My MIL got it a few weeks ago.  Getting second one soon.  Not one problem... She's 84.  BUT she's 90 pounds soaking wet.  The higher the BMI, they constant state of inflammation a body is in.  Probably why some are getting reactions to the jab. BUT, it is better than getting it in the wild!  Almost non-existant extreme reaction where one has to be hospitalized!

 

It's what the vaxx should do!

[Philly McButterpants]

I get my second shot on Thursday (3/25). 

[ExiledInIllinois]

39 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

 Common cold is a coronavirus. 

 

My MIL got it a few weeks ago.  Getting second one soon.  Not one problem... She's 84.  BUT she's 90 pounds soaking wet.  The higher the BMI, the constant state of inflammation a body is in.  Probably why some are getting reactions to the jab. BUT, it is better than getting it in the wild!  Almost non-existant extreme reaction where one has to be hospitalized!

 

It's what the vaxx should do!

 

[BillsFan4]

Got my 1st dose of the Pfizer a couple weeks ago. I go for the 2nd dose this Friday!!
 

Ive never been so excited to go get jabbed with a needle! 😂

 

Both my elderly parents already had both doses of the Moderna vaccine. My sis has had both doses of the Pfizer. A Bunch more friends, family and neighbors have had 1 or both doses of the vaccine (in fact most people I know have, now that I think about it). Vaccine rollout here seems to be going pretty well. I’ve been impressed.

[BillsFan4]

On 3/19/2021 at 8:27 PM, SinceThe70s said:

 

My father in law - whose health is not good (especially lately) - is insistent on getting J&J because it's just one shot and he's worried about side effects. Reasonable concern IMO but it's delaying the process.

 

My mom was scheduled to get Pfizer. She had a significant health scare recently and doctors told her Pfizer was the 'good one'.  Through dumb luck - similar to your wife - she had an opportunity to get Moderna sooner so she jumped on it. I'd have waited a week for Pfizer based on doctors comments but tbh I'm not sure anyone knows which is or will be better so whatever. Glad she got vaccinated.

 

Good luck with yours, first Moderna shot was a non-event for my mom, hope the second goes as well and hope  same applies to you for both.

I’ve heard from friends in the medical field that the reaction is actually less the weaker your immune system is. That it’s more likely for younger people to get more severe reactions. I’ve also read the same thing online. But I don’t know for 100% sure that it’s true. Just thought I’d mention it though.

 

Both my elderly parents (not in the best health) had zero reaction to Moderna.

 

tell him to just get whatever one is offered 1st.

 

edit - just to ease your dad’s mind a bit - My sis works at a hospital that deals pretty much exclusively w/cancer patients so they gave out a lot of vaccines to immune compromised people and no significant reactions to report.

Edited March 21, 2021 by BillsFan4

[BillsFan4]

15 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I got my first shot this morning. Moderna. My arm has become increasingly sore throughout the day. Sort of surprised at how sore— like Hurts to raise my arm in the air. Was tired too and took a nap, but otherwise am fine. Just hiked 3 miles.

 

This is totally normal. 

 

when you get your 2nd dose, start rotating your arm in circles and then massage the muscle while you’re waiting that 15 minutes after the shot. Then rotate your arm in circles for a few minutes every hour for the first 1/2 day and it should hopefully keep your arm from getting nearly as sore.

 

On 3/20/2021 at 6:52 AM, Draconator said:

Not exactly the same, but kinda similar for me. My wife and I qualified here in NY. However, our appointments were me at 11:00 am, and her at 2:30 pm. We went to Batavia for the J&J vaccine. I showed up, and we asked if she could also get hers at the same time. No problem. They said as long as she was scheduled for that day, she could get it with me. When we went to show the workers our paperwork (since we're about 10 and 12 years under 65), they were like "We believe you, no need to see anything". 

Same here. I was told to bring a letter from my doctor by the lady who made the appointment. Since the appt. was only 2 days from then I had to scramble like crazy to get that letter in time.

 

Show up to the appointment. Some guy just asked if a met the qualifications (and said I didn’t have to tell him the exact medical reason I did) and I said yes. Then said “here I have a letter from my dr.” and he wouldn’t even look at it... 🤷‍♂️
 

I think it’s probably due to HIPPA laws. 

 

[The Avenger]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

 Common cold is a coronavirus. 

 

My MIL got it a few weeks ago.  Getting second one soon.  Not one problem... She's 84.  BUT she's 90 pounds soaking wet.  The higher the BMI, they constant state of inflammation a body is in.  Probably why some are getting reactions to the jab. BUT, it is better than getting it in the wild!  Almost non-existant extreme reaction where one has to be hospitalized!

 

It's what the vaxx should do!

I'm about the size of an o-lineman (except I could afford to loose a whole bunch or weight), and I have not had a reaction to either the first or second Pfizer shot beyond a mildly sore arm. They also say that younger people are more like to have a bad response, but my 16 year old son is right with me - light sore arm is it. This virus and vaccine is weird - hard to say who is going to have a reaction. They have 100+ year old folks survive the virus and young healthy people die from it. That's why I'm always puzzled when I hear someone proclaim that they're not worried if they get covid - they'll fight it off and be just fine.

[Beerball]

On 3/19/2021 at 3:13 PM, I am the egg man said:

Got two days of laying around doing nothing claiming I was so tired from 1st shot two weeks ago.

 

Might go for the headache and tired two day vacation again after next weeks follow up shot.

 

Got it for grandkids, kids and to schedule a postponed surgery due to the outbreak, that will keep me in the hospital 3-4 days. 

Followed by a super lengthy recovery period it would seem.

[frostbitmic]

Just got my first shot after getting a text from U of R medicine at 10 o'clock last night. It was the Pfizer brand and I get my 2nd shot 3 weeks from today which will be 3 weeks before my original appt.

3 hours in and no ill effects from the shot.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 3/19/2021 at 10:28 PM, Simon said:

 

For me it was being a bit uncomfortable with an emergent technology that manipulates your messengerRNA (although after nearly 40 years of drinking and smoking, does it really matter at this point:-). 

I went with the single dose J&J which is just an adenovirus. Had it Monday afternoon; rolled out of bed Tuesday morning and it felt uncannily like the morning after a football game. No soreness Wednesday but a bunch of chills and a little tired; nothing so bad that I couldn't go to work and then still manage to slog through a 5 mile hike with the dog in the evening.

 

Simon, I'm not questioning your decision on what vaccine to get, but this gouge about the difference between mRNA vaccines and J&J is not quite correct.

We all agreed to put the Ix-Nay on Ovid-Cay discussion, but if we're putting wrong info out there, correct info needs to be next to it.

 

Think of these vaccines as being in two parts:

1) the manufacturing instructions, for your body to make the antigen that will stimulate your body's adaptive immune response (in this case, the antigen is SARS-CoV2 spike protein or a portion of the spike protein)

2) the delivery truck, which drives the manufacturing instructions to your human cells

3) your cells then internalize the manufacturing instructions, read them , and get to work making spike protein

4) the spike protein then makes its way to the surface of special cells called "antigen presenting cells" which put your immune system to work gearing up to "repel boarders"

 

So. 

 

In the J&J vaccine, the manufacturing instructions are a piece of DNA that will get transcribed into mRNA inside your cells, and the extra instructions that tell your cell "make mRNA out of this thing".  Once the mRNA is made, it gets translated into part of the spike protein. 

The J&J delivery truck is a modified adenovirus shell (absent the adenovirus DNA that would allow it to reproduce or act like a virus).

 

In the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, the manufacturing instructions are the actual messenger RNA.  The delivery truck is a special lipid particle that protects the mRNA and keeps it from being destroyed before it gets into the cell and does its thing

 

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don't "manipulate your messenger RNA".  It doesn't cause you to make new or different mRNA.  It would need a whole 'nother instruction manual to do that.  The mRNA they contain is relatively fragile and gets copied a few times then destroyed, which is the way of mRNA

 

The J&J vaccine isn't "just an adenovirus", it's an adenovirus that is carrying a piece of DNA that gets taken up into your cells and used as a template to make mRNA.  So in a sense, you could say it's "manipulating your mRNA" since it causes your body to make something it wouldn't otherwise, but from the biochemical sense you wind up in the same place - with mRNA that makes a viral protein inside your cells - after an extra step.  The piece of DNA eventually gets destroyed too.

 

mRNA vaccines have been a "Holy Grail" people have been working on for more than a decade.  The technical issue has always been, how to get the mRNA to survive long enough to get taken up into the cell and "Do Work".  RNA in general is easily destroyed.

 

And yes, if anyone needs to be told, this is 100% "my lane" and I know way more than the "average Bear" about this stuff.

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

And yes, if anyone needs to be told, this is 100% "my lane" and I know way more than the "average Bear" about this stuff.

Well said... But you may be in for a rude awakening, that has never stopped the "average bear" on the internet. 😆🤣

 

The average internet bears are tough!

😉😜 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Team Moderna since late January

[Logic]

Blessed to have gotten my second shot on March 4th. Drove 90 minutes each way. Would've driven 900.

Moderna. Arm pain at injection site after 1st and 2nd shots. Extreme tiredness, general feeling of unwellness for 24 hours after each shot. Otherwise, no side effects.

So, so, thankful. 

Will still continue to mask, distance, and follow all CDC guidelines. 

Can't wait to hug my loved ones once they get jabbed!!!

Edited March 22, 2021 by Logic

[Doc Brown]

I got the Moderna one on Feb. 26th and the only thing I got was a surprising amount of muscle pain that spread throughout my whole arm.  It got worse as the day went on but was gone the next day.  That's it though.  Expect to be in worse shape after the second one on Friday but it'll be a tiny price to pay.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

I get my second dose of the moderna shot on Friday. Just had arm soreness and very mild muscle aches after the first dose. NJ is a free for all.  I was lucky and got a CVS appointment after refreshing the web page constantly for a few days. They did not verify if anyone was actually qualified for the vaccine.  I was ready in case they asked for proof. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by chknwing334

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Got my 1st dose of the Pfizer a couple weeks ago. I go for the 2nd dose this Friday!!
 

Ive never been so excited to go get jabbed with a needle! 😂

 

Both my elderly parents already had both doses of the Moderna vaccine. My sis has had both doses of the Pfizer. A Bunch more friends, family and neighbors have had 1 or both doses of the vaccine (in fact most people I know have, now that I think about it). Vaccine rollout here seems to be going pretty well. I’ve been impressed.

 

It's said "the happiest place to work right now is a covid-19 vaccine clinic".  Nurses working them say the same thing- they've never seen so many people so happy to get jabbed with a needle and so smiley and friendly.

[teef]

good for you op, and i agree with everyone...you'll never see people more happy to get an injection in all of their lives.  i finished my moderna shot in february, and haven't looked back.  that this point, everyone in my immediate family has had the vaccine, so just to be able to hang out without worry has been great. 

 

 

one thing i have heard from everyone vaccinated so far is to how well run the clinics are around here.  very efficient and very smooth.  mine was done at a county highway dept.  i didn't have to get out of my car as we were directed towards a garage.  rolled down the window, did the deed, then waited the 15 minutes in a parking lot next to the building.  both of my appointment times were at 11:30.  one appointment i drove away at 11:47 and the second at 11:48, including the 15 minute wait time.  

 

 

edit:  as far as the reaction...i just had a very sore arm.  wildly sore actually, and maybe a bit tired, but the next day after the second shot was business as usual.

Edited March 22, 2021 by teef

[Just Jack]

Is everyone here having to wait the 15 minutes for a reaction? The clinic I went to they did not make you wait.  But it was for hospital employees, not the general public.  Walk in, line up, they took my paperwork, sat me down, stabbed me, got up, and left.  In and out in less than 5 minutes for both doses. 

[DrDawkinstein]

17 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

Is everyone here having to wait the 15 minutes for a reaction? The clinic I went to they did not make you wait.  But it was for hospital employees, not the general public.  Walk in, line up, they took my paperwork, sat me down, stabbed me, got up, and left.  In and out in less than 5 minutes for both doses. 

 

The Kroger I went to was pretty strict on making people wait. But that was mostly because they were giving the J&J one-dose which is a more potent shot and has a higher rate of reaction. And when I say "strict" they were plenty nice about it, but they did make it clear that I needed to stay in the waiting room until they told me I could leave. And they timed it at 15min exactly.

[The Jokeman]

My wife gets her first one Pfizer today, I don't get mine until April 19th.

[teef]

31 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

Is everyone here having to wait the 15 minutes for a reaction? The clinic I went to they did not make you wait.  But it was for hospital employees, not the general public.  Walk in, line up, they took my paperwork, sat me down, stabbed me, got up, and left.  In and out in less than 5 minutes for both doses. 

maybe it's because you were in a hospital setting.  for ours, they put a sticky note on your windshield letting the attendants know when you could leave the lot.  very polite, but they were strict.

[Johnnycage46]

My wife got her first shot on Friday (I get my first a week from this Friday) and she felt pretty tired that afternoon but nothing too bad.  My father had his 2nd shot last week and he felt really run down that day but then felt fine.

[Punching Bag]

Looked on list of conditions which can move you to front of line, pretty easy to qualify in US.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

 

Talked to a friend who put a pack of cigarettes in pocket, walked into place and told he had underlying issue smoking and they game him a shot.

He never smoked in his life.

 

I qualify because I am "obese" and with 20 less pounds I do not qualify.  All of my weight is "beer gut" with no extra weight elsewhere.

 

Pretty sure the people who calculate the BMI are same ones who recommend food ingredients to school which none of the kids want to eat.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Just Jack said:

Is everyone here having to wait the 15 minutes for a reaction? The clinic I went to they did not make you wait.  But it was for hospital employees, not the general public.  Walk in, line up, they took my paperwork, sat me down, stabbed me, got up, and left.  In and out in less than 5 minutes for both doses. 

 

I guess in hospital they might figure if you collapse OTJ the right people with the right stuff will be close at hand?

 

All the clinics and pharmacies that I know of that are using Moderna or Pfizer make you wait.  It's a simple safety precaution to counter a rare but serious adverse event.  (I was not aware that pharmacies that give vaccinations have to have stuff on hand to treat anaphylactic shock, but apparently this isn't new!)

 

9 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Looked on list of conditions which can move you to front of line, pretty easy to qualify in US.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

 

Talked to a friend who put a pack of cigarettes in pocket, walked into place and told he had underlying issue smoking and they game him a shot.

He never smoked in his life.

 

I qualify because I am "obese" and with 20 less pounds I do not qualify.  All of my weight is "beer gut" with no extra weight elsewhere.

 

Pretty sure the people who calculate the BMI are same ones who recommend food ingredients to school which none of the kids want to eat.

 

The qualifying conditions and the order in which they are taken, vary somewhat from state to state.  Maryland, for example, has people with medical conditions that place them at risk behind "continuity of government" (which apparently is not just federal, but state and local government) and a bunch of industries.  There are arguments to be made both ways.

 

From the CDC link you give:  smoking and BMI>30 but <40 do not qualify in MO.

 

Most clinics and pharmacies of which I'm aware rely primarily on self-certification.  Mostly, it works.  No system is perfect and some folks, like your friend, will always cheat.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Most clinics and pharmacies of which I'm aware rely primarily on self-certification.  Mostly, it works.  No system is perfect and some folks, like your friend, will always cheat.

 

 

Well he is a New England fan with a Cam jersey.

 

My doctor told me due to previous lung damage due to bronchitis and pneumonia I should get a shot but when I did search with those conditions it did not show up. 

He did not mention my weight.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Most clinics and pharmacies of which I'm aware rely primarily on self-certification.  Mostly, it works.  No system is perfect and some folks, like your friend, will always cheat.

 

 

Given what I perceive to be the failure of most state governments in rolling out the vaccines, I have the sense that the providers don’t care anymore. I sense the vibe is that It’s more important to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible. We tried with the priority system— now it is “whoever can navigate the maze better,” wins. 
 

I had a debate with my wife about this. She has a really moral objection to line jumpers. I view it as: we just need to maximize shots at this point. Some countries have adopted this latter approach— Indonesia has vaccinated its working population first:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia-explaine-idUSKBN2990MX

 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Given what I perceive to be the failure of most state governments in rolling out the vaccines, I have the sense that the providers don’t care anymore. I sense the vibe is that It’s more important to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible. We tried with the priority system— now it is “whoever can navigate the maze better,” wins. 
 

I had a debate with my wife about this. She has a really moral objection to line jumpers. I view it as: we just need to maximize shots at this point. Some countries have adopted this latter approach— Indonesia has vaccinated its working population first:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia-explaine-idUSKBN2990MX

 

i think this is exactly what's happening now.  around me us in the rochester area, i know a number of people who are just saying there's an underlying condition when they're perfectly healthy.  my brother in law went this morning with some friends.  now that it seems to be less of an issue to get an appointment, i'm all for anyone that wants it getting it.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Well he is a New England fan with a Cam jersey.

 

My doctor told me due to previous lung damage due to bronchitis and pneumonia I should get a shot but when I did search with those conditions it did not show up. 

He did not mention my weight.

 

What everyone here should know is that to my knowledge EVERY state that is offering earlier vaccination to people with co-morbid conditions has a selection something like "individual with other conditions a physician evaluates as placing them at higher risk".    The reason for this is it was recognized that if every rare condition or disease were listed, the list would become unreadably long.  So there was room left for physician judgement of their individual patients.

 

So anyone: if your physician says something like "you should get a shot due to your ### condition or disease placing you at higher risk", ask them to make a note to that effect in your chart and give you a note so stating.  Then go get vaccinated as soon as the tier for "individuals at higher risk due to ....." opens up.  It's legit.

 

As for the Cam jersey LOL Figures.

 

[Bray Wyatt]

My dad (will be 76 in May) has done his 2 doses of Pfizer. My wife got her first Moderna a couple weeks ago, has to get at the end of the month for her 2nd. I got the J&J one this last Saturday.  My wife was fatigued for like a week and struggled to get through her work day but has since been fine, she said others in her office got the moderna first shot as well and they all had the same fatigue she had. My dad did not have any reactions to the Pfizer shots. My mom had her first shot (she is 62) and didnt seem to have any reactions, though not sure which one she got.

 

As for me, my arm is sore where the shot was, kinda like a charlie horse, but I get that from when I get the flu shot for like a day or so too. I felt a little like a hang over yesterday, though could have been the bourbon I drank on Saturday, felt a little fevery at times (nothing big where I felt I needed to check my temp, just warm in the face) and had a runny nose for like an hour or so. Today I feel pretty fine, just sore arm.

 

Here in TN, we dont have a choice as to what we get, just when we show up you get what they got. I kinda wanted the two shot ones as they seem (based on what I heard and Hap can correct me if I am wrong) that they have a better effectiveness against it, but being 36 (same as my wife) I guess i shouldn't have too much to worry about regardless.

 

[Hap says: the evidence on this point is ambiguous because the clinical trial criteria were different.  Arguments to be made both ways.  All 3 good vaccines with good effectiveness preventing serious disease as actual use data roll in from different countries]

 

16 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Given what I perceive to be the failure of most state governments in rolling out the vaccines, I have the sense that the providers don’t care anymore. I sense the vibe is that It’s more important to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible. We tried with the priority system— now it is “whoever can navigate the maze better,” wins. 
 

I had a debate with my wife about this. She has a really moral objection to line jumpers. I view it as: we just need to maximize shots at this point. Some countries have adopted this latter approach— Indonesia has vaccinated its working population first:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia-explaine-idUSKBN2990MX

 

 

Yeah my wife to get on the list (she was 1-C as my son has a medical thing that qualified us) she had to fill out a form and all that stating it, she did hers a couple weeks before mine, made me schedule to get mine after.  I didnt have to fill out anything or bring anything other than my ID to the appointment. I just went online and scheduled where and when. Got mine done at MTSU

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Given what I perceive to be the failure of most state governments in rolling out the vaccines, I have the sense that the providers don’t care anymore. I sense the vibe is that It’s more important to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible. We tried with the priority system— now it is “whoever can navigate the maze better,” wins. 
 

I had a debate with my wife about this. She has a really moral objection to line jumpers. I view it as: we just need to maximize shots at this point. Some countries have adopted this latter approach— Indonesia has vaccinated its working population first:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia-explaine-idUSKBN2990MX

 

We need to be better at getting the vaccine into the arms of people who are at higher risk whether or not they can "navigate the maze".

 

I see it two ways.  On the one hand, Don't Lie, Don't Cheat. 

 

On the other hand, out-state in MO, there are mass clinics and pharmacies that are struggling to find enough arms for their supplies of vaccine.   We had one event where at 3:30 pm they had 1,500 out of 2,000 doses remaining and threw it open to all comers.  Still had more than 1,200 doses remaining and wasted 142 shots.  It's hard to be a line-jumper when there is no line.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We need to be better at getting the vaccine into the arms of people who are at higher risk whether or not they can "navigate the maze".

 

Still had more than 1,200 doses remaining and wasted 142 shots.  It's hard to be a line-jumper when there is no line.
 

 

Not entirely understanding the waste part but I'd think that the media (radio and tv mostly) could do public service announcements when there are shots available and the shots will expire or whatever they call it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

Not entirely understanding the waste part but I'd think that the media (radio and tv mostly) could do public service announcements when there are shots available and the shots will expire or whatever they call it.

 

Sure, I'll explain that.  Moderna is a 10 dose vial.  Pfizer and J&J are 6 dose vials.  All 3 have a ticking clock on each vial - after 6 hrs from the first puncture of the septum, it has to be discarded.  Pfizer also requires a special fussy syringe to get the 6th dose out of the vial.  

 

So if vials get punctured then vaccine remains, as 6 hrs approaches they either go in an arm or go in the trash.  Ideally it's minimal, but at mass vaccine events to speed things along they may have one crew of people drawing doses into vaccines and another crew vaccinating, so if they get "no shows" they get shots in syringes that either go in an arm ASAP, or go to waste.

 

The timeline for this too short for media to be effective, but most pharmacies around here will maintain a "waste list" of people willing to drop everything and show up and some mass vaccination events will accept "waste list signups" of people who show up near the end of the event.

 

There are storage limits on how long Pfizer and Moderna vaccines can be thawed and stored at refrigerator temperatures, but the shortest is 5 days, so it's feasible to schedule a "pop up clinic" at a nearby hospital or DOH, which may be publicized on media (TV, radio, social).

[Augie]

My sister is currently 6 months too young to get shots in Wisconsin. She was afraid to attend my son’s wedding in April without vaccination, but discovered that since they prepare and serve meals at Salvation Army a couple times a week they are considered essential workers.  It’s nice to see good deeds get rewarded once in a while! She gets the second shot next week. 

 

Apparently they are far more strict in Wisconsin than Georgia. She knows people where a wife with an appointment was turned away for being a few months short of the cutoff, while the husband got his shot. Just give her the darn shot, IMO. Here in Georgia my wife learned my 93 year old mother can designate 2 caregivers. There was no form, no verification, no questions asked, we just booked our shots online and have completed both rounds. (It IS legit, BTW.) It’s funny how it is so different from place to place. 

 

 

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Edited March 22, 2021 by Augie