dbfla10 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Is Overdorf still the Bills Cap guy? If so he deserves almost as much credit as Beane. Obviously its Beanes call on what guys to sign, but the cap guy comes up with the contract and most the negotiation with the agent. Good to see the organization as a whole working together. Only took 20yrs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Don't forget Overdorf was also the guy writing the contracts back before Beane got here and put the Bills in cap hell i think Beane has a lot more input when it comes to that now because it's no where near what it use to be & most every contract is Bills friendly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 This is the Cap Dude ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, HOUSE said: This is the Cap Dude ? I didn't know John Candy was a Bills fan! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, T master said: Don't forget Overdorf was also the guy writing the contracts back before Beane got here and put the Bills in cap hell i think Beane has a lot more input when it comes to that now because it's no where near what it use to be & most every contract is Bills friendly . Overdorf is wildly over criticized here and now the OP is actually praising him BUT NO Overdorf was not responsibl;e for putting us in cap hell nor does he deserve some credit for our current situation.. People fail to understand Overdof is no much more than an accountant, he is a facilitator. He is not responsible for the excesses we had in the past, it was largely the GMs fault. I recall when people when ballistic when I think it was Nix that said he would leave the contract for Mario up to others. You dont want your gm spending hours in contract negotiations, you leave that up to the experts like Overdorf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, T master said: Don't forget Overdorf was also the guy writing the contracts back before Beane got here and put the Bills in cap hell i think Beane has a lot more input when it comes to that now because it's no where near what it use to be & most every contract is Bills friendly . Beane gives Overdorf a set of instructions, and Overdorf then follows them, the days of Overdorf having decision making authority are gone, and that is a very good thing. Beanes approval is a requirement on all contracts. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, Don Otreply said: Beane gives Overdorf a set of instructions, and Overdorf then follows them, the days of Overdorf having decision making authority are gone, and that is a very good thing. Beanes approval is a requirement on all contracts. This is kinda what I suspected. Beane is in control.....Overdorf follows his lead and deals with the nitty gritty and what not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, DJB said: I didn't know John Candy was a Bills fan! Steve Martin and some random dog too. This was their last visit to the stadium. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Overdorf has always had a boss. That said, he knows the cap inside and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Beane is A cap guy from his background in Carolina. Overdorf assists him with contracts and is also a cap guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Overdorf is wildly over criticized here and now the OP is actually praising him BUT NO Overdorf was not responsibl;e for putting us in cap hell nor does he deserve some credit for our current situation.. People fail to understand Overdof is no much more than an accountant, he is a facilitator. He is not responsible for the excesses we had in the past, it was largely the GMs fault. I recall when people when ballistic when I think it was Nix that said he would leave the contract for Mario up to others. You dont want your gm spending hours in contract negotiations, you leave that up to the experts like Overdorf. Overdorf earned that criticism. There is no mistake in questioning everything from 2000 - 2017 with the Bills. It was a Good ole' Boys Club of Ralph hanger on-ers, and that's not unfair. Overdorf, Modrak, Nix, John Guy, Brandon, Scott Berchtold, Littman (thank you RichRiderBills), Doug Whaley. None of those guys contributed to anything remotely successful for for 17 years. Edited March 15, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Beane is A cap guy from his background in Carolina. Overdorf assists him with contracts and is also a cap guy. really? when was he their cap guy? Hes a communications major, finance is a big leap lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 We've talked about this a lot before. Overdorf is just an accountant...had more sway back in the Wilson days...Littman was the real "tyrant" IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: Is Overdorf still the Bills Cap guy? If so he deserves almost as much credit as Beane. Obviously its Beanes call on what guys to sign, but the cap guy comes up with the contract and most the negotiation with the agent. Good to see the organization as a whole working together. Only took 20yrs I think he writes the contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: really? when was he their cap guy? Hes a communications major, finance is a big leap lol. His experience as Assistant GM focused on managing the salary cap in Carolina. Most GMs lean toward scouting heavy or cap heavy as their experience and his was cap heavy and football ops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: really? when was he their cap guy? Hes a communications major, finance is a big leap lol. It’s not rocket science. Much more important to sign the right guys. Structure of the contract is the easy part. Unlike the real world, when it comes to the cap the bill almost never comes due. If you still want the player, there’s always a way to keep pushing the cap hit to future years. Take Mahomes or Josh for example. They’re gonna be your QB for the next 12-15 years. There’s no reason to not push the cap hit way out into the future. Half of us will be dead before the bill comes due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Brandon tried to slide into New Era as the Bills cap guy, but New Era was having none of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 It is also worth saying on the Overdorf question that the Bills capologist job used to be a lot harder because they were a cash to cap team under Ralph. I say frequently the salary cap is an accounting cap not a spending cap but for cash to cap teams it is a spending cap. Basically the Bills would try and not spend any more cash in an actual year than the salary cap number. That really limits the flexibility of a GM and a capologist to manage the cap long term by manipulating your cap hits. If we want to talk about Whaley's time, well the reality is they gave out three really bad contracts. The Dareus deal was an expensive mistake, the Tyrod deal (as Rex's urging) never made sense to me and the Charles Clay deal was (and I said it when he signed) paying elite money to a guy who was just a good player. At one point he had the highest guaranteed percentage of any player in the league who was neither on a rookie deal or a Quarterback. Those deals were a big part in restricting the Bills flexibility but as I have said many times the "cap hell" thing was an overplayed narrative. The Bills were paying a lot of players the new coach didn't want. That was the problem, it wasn't that they had ruined their cap situation... it was that they were going to have to make a mess of it in order to clearout the roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 8:41 AM, Straight Hucklebuck said: Overdorf earned that criticism. There is no mistake in questioning everything from 2000 - 2017 with the Bills. It was a Good ole' Boys Club of Ralph hanger on-ers, and that's not unfair. Overdorf, Modrak, Nix, John Guy, Brandon, Scott Berchtold, Littman (thank you RichRiderBills), Doug Whaley. None of those guys contributed to anything remotely successful for for 17 years. LOL. Wow, seem to have a lot of anger regarding this. So yeah, go ahead and criticize EVERYONE in the organization, right down to the receptionist, NO ONE contributed anything remotely successful for 17 years!!! Unless you worked at OBD or sat down with him over a contract you have ZERO knowledge of how Overdorf did his job but he is a convenient whipping boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 5:59 AM, dbfla10 said: Is Overdorf still the Bills Cap guy? If so he deserves almost as much credit as Beane. Obviously its Beanes call on what guys to sign, but the cap guy comes up with the contract and most the negotiation with the agent. Good to see the organization as a whole working together. Only took 20yrs Not sure I get the cap love? We have a low cost QB and no huge contracts on the books. Yet we are approaching free agency like our hands are tied. And I dont want to hear but we signed Milano, Feliciano and Williams. We also cut Jefferson, Brown and didnt resign Kroft, Murphy and some others. Not rocket science. I actually think are roster is flawed in that we have a ton off average players at overpriced contracts - Star, Addison, Butler, Klein, Matakevich. I am not saying we should be up in arms, they are doing an ok job. Just not saying they are genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: LOL. Wow, seem to have a lot of anger regarding this. So yeah, go ahead and criticize EVERYONE in the organization, right down to the receptionist, NO ONE contributed anything remotely successful for 17 years!!! Unless you worked at OBD or sat down with him over a contract you have ZERO knowledge of how Overdorf did his job but he is a convenient whipping boy. Jim?! or Doug?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) On 3/15/2021 at 8:08 AM, T master said: Don't forget Overdorf was also the guy writing the contracts back before Beane got here and put the Bills in cap hell i think Beane has a lot more input when it comes to that now because it's no where near what it use to be & most every contract is Bills friendly . I don't think he was ever the 'decision maker' that people believed him to be. I think he more negotiates the specifics and dirty details where as things like years/cap/dead money/etc are more GM decisions. I think the drought brought on the temper tantrums lashing out anyone and everyone in the organization especially when their role isn't clearly defined to the public. Edited March 16, 2021 by jeremy2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I don't know anything about this, but I do believe: Brandon Beane doesn't fear the cap. The cap fears Brandon Beane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: LOL. Wow, seem to have a lot of anger regarding this. So yeah, go ahead and criticize EVERYONE in the organization, right down to the receptionist, NO ONE contributed anything remotely successful for 17 years!!! Unless you worked at OBD or sat down with him over a contract you have ZERO knowledge of how Overdorf did his job but he is a convenient whipping boy. Why are we defending the Bills from that timeframe? I get now they are everyone’s favorite and can do no wrong, but the Bills FO was among the worst in the league for over a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 7:23 AM, Don Otreply said: Beane gives Overdorf a set of instructions, and Overdorf then follows them, the days of Overdorf having decision making authority are gone, and that is a very good thing. Beanes approval is a requirement on all contracts. But I think it has pretty much always been that way. Overdorf just does what he is told. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, MJS said: But I think it has pretty much always been that way. Overdorf just does what he is told. Ah yes, but it was those instructions that he was given back in the dark times, I am certain that Overdorf has the appropriate skill set to do what he is told to do, and does it well, otherwise he would have been waived... 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 9:08 AM, T master said: Don't forget Overdorf was also the guy writing the contracts back before Beane got here and put the Bills in cap hell i think Beane has a lot more input when it comes to that now because it's no where near what it use to be & most every contract is Bills friendly . For years everyone blamed Overdolf, likely he was just following RW orders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 9:19 AM, DJB said: I didn't know John Candy was a Bills fan! I miss John Candy. Great comedic actor! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 18 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Why are we defending the Bills from that timeframe? I get now they are everyone’s favorite and can do no wrong, but the Bills FO was among the worst in the league for over a decade. Defending? I defended no one but i think it is naive and shallow to blame everyone for the Bills demise, esp Overdorf that is essentially a glorified accountant. So why are you ATTACKING everyone in the organization even with people that were not the primary decision makers.. So you are upset and angry they had a losing stretch, get over it already. Did i defend the primary decision makers, not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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