Mango Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: He seems to make more impact plays than Edmunds for sure, just hoping he can stay on the field. I actually think this puts a target on Edmunds back to a certain extent. We haven’t gotten great play out of or LB’s as unit and largely run in a 2 LB set. I’ve seen estimates of Edmunds getting $14-ish mil. I cannot see this team paying $25M per year for the LB performance we got in 2020. Edmunds will have to make a jump or take a contract significantly cheaper than $14M per year to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Very conflicted on this. Dude is an absolute baller and this is our super bowl window. But at the same time, he struggles to stay healthy, OLB is one of the “easier” positions to replace, and it will cost us someone at a position I think is more important (OT, pass rusher, or Te). can’t be mad keeping a good player and good for Matt. He is a legit playmaker. But if he left and they drafted someone like Zaven Collins and used the money elsewhere, could that be have been better? 😬 it will be interesting to see what they do next. Perfect assessment. At first glance it seems ok, then you want to vomit in your mouth, and then you relax and say ok, let's see what they do next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, ColeB said: That would be dumb after he publicly stated he wants to stay. Its more that the Bills won’t re-sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Perfect assessment. At first glance it seems ok, then you want to vomit in your mouth, and then you relax and say ok, let's see what they do next. I think we sort of just hold our collective breaths that he stays healthy. If he does, it’s a great signing. If he doesn’t, I would think we hate this deal in 2022 because we’re stuck with it; but there may be an out in 2023. Just my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 My guess is that this deal is a good one next year and then a great one for the Bills the following three years as the CAP salary spigot opens up fully. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Just bring me Lawson and I’ll be happy I fancy Carl Lawson for the Bills myself (assume that's who you mean) I'd fancy Shaq Barrett more but he's made it clear he wants top, top dollar and I don't think we're going there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 This is a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Since he missed five games, one of his bonuses could be a not likely to be earned bonus for "plays twelve games." That could mean his seven might be nine for this stunted cap year, but with two of those paid in the next cap season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Wow, like the kid but they gave him that top dollar he wanted, which I hoped not to see. nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandGoal Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Good signing if he stays healthy. Although I would rather spend the money on the O-line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, mbs said: Since he missed five games, one of his bonuses could be a not likely to be earned bonus for "plays twelve games." That could mean his seven might be nine for this stunted cap year, but with two of those paid in the next cap season. wtf lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mango said: I think we sort of just hold our collective breaths that he stays healthy. If he does, it’s a great signing. If he doesn’t, I would think we hate this deal in 2022 because we’re stuck with it; but there may be an out in 2023. Just my guess. I think it's a good guess that the Bills have an out after 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just now, Mr. WEO said: wtf lol Do I not understand this correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just now, mbs said: Do I not understand this correctly? hard to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagne591 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: 11 million Fake News!!!! they just took his salary and multiplied it by four without seeing the details... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Once again HOW...DO...YOU....KNOW....THIS He doesn’t that dude is a jets fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: hard to say... I mean say he gets 7 this year with a significant bonus if he starts 12 games (or some corresponding number of snaps or tackles). Since he started 11? last year, that bonus is "not likely to be earned" and thus would be accounted for in the next season when they presumably have much more money. That way they can add more ramp-up to his year over year which I think is otherwise limited. (LIke you can't pay min one year 20 mill the next.) I was on the fence about him at 11m (11-12 happy whatever they did) but this deal looks really good to me regardless of the bonus structure. Edited March 12, 2021 by mbs typo, clarity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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K-9 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Good deal for the Bills as its less per year than both the transition (by $1.7m) and franchise (by $3.7m) tag amounts for LBs. Also less than the projected amounts he would receive on the open market. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, Mango said: I actually think this puts a target on Edmunds back to a certain extent. We haven’t gotten great play out of or LB’s as unit and largely run in a 2 LB set. I’ve seen estimates of Edmunds getting $14-ish mil. I cannot see this team paying $25M per year for the LB performance we got in 2020. Edmunds will have to make a jump or take a contract significantly cheaper than $14M per year to stay. I’m hoping it lights a fire under his ass...if not, then try to trade him for whatever you can get in 2022, before he becomes a FA in 2023... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: Signing still gets us NO WHERE close to beating the chiefs The same Chiefs team that just had to cut their starting offensive tackles to get cap compliant...glad you don’t run the front office 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, mbs said: I mean he get 7 this year with a significant bonus if he starts 12 games (or some corresponding number of snaps or tackles). Since he started 11? last year, that bonus is "not likely to be earned" and thus would be accounted for in the next season when they presumably have much more money. That way they can add more ramp-up to his year over year which I think is otherwise limited. (LIke you can't pay min one year 20 mill the next.) I was on the fence about him at 11m (11-12 happy whatever they did) but this deal looks really good to me regardless of the bonus structure. Why would they think he would not play even 12 games this season---and still sign him to a 44 million dollar 4 year deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: Good deal for the Bills as its less per year than both the transition (by $1.7m) and franchise (by $3.7m) tag amounts for LBs. Also less than the projected amounts he would receive on the open market. It also seems the Bills can get out of it after 2 years if it goes south... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Why would they think he would not play even 12 games this season---and still sign him to a 44 million dollar 4 year deal? Both they and he expect him to play more than 12. That's why this works. If they pay him 9m + signing, that's two mill less to work with this year. If they make it contingent on something he failed to do last year, then they don't have to pay till next year. "Not likely to be earned" is some sort of nfl speak for didn't do it last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Beane and co always leave an out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 hours ago, KOKBILLS said: That's a hometown deal folks! No way the Bills get that deal done at $11 Mil average annual unless they are a winning Franchise. Big time props to McBeane... Winning perpetuates winning. It snowballs. We were on the other side of it for so long, it's great to finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. Props to Beane and McDermott for breaking the cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Way too much and very disappointing for a an very good to average player, This one might belong in the Bad Take Hall of Fame. But maybe just in the Runner Up Consolation Chamber. The questions about Milano aren't whether he's a very good player. The questions are whether he can stay healthy and keep on the field. Pour yourself a glass of your favorite Process Juice and enjoy! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, mbs said: Both they and he expect him to play more than 12. That's why this works. If they pay him 9m + signing, that's two mill less to work with this year. If they make it contingent on something he failed to do last year, then they don't have to pay till next year. "Not likely to be earned" is some sort of nfl speak for didn't do it last year. point is they wouldn't be offering all that money.......an also structuring it assuming he plays less than 75% of the games to save them cap space. They are offering him that money expecting 16+ games per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: im not sure if it is in McD’s defense. Agreed. It's one of the reasons the Bills struggled so much when Milano went out and had to re-arrange responsibilities to make it work with Coach Klein. Good Cover1 piece on it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagne591 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 The signing of Milano tells me exactly this...that we are making a run at the SB!! He was a part of the first draft class that McD was a part of right before they hired Beane....Keeping and signing their own is what it is all about. How much do we gain by dropping AJ and drafting a LB as a back up? Also we are still in the running for a DE I think we need to drop or get Tyler M. and I wish Lee Smith would decide if he is going to retire or not. How much do we save if Lee Smith retires vice getting cut does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Both. But holy hell, there are more idiots on the board now than before (and we had a lot then) One of the costs of the Bills playing well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: point is they wouldn't be offering all that money.......an also structuring it assuming he plays less than 75% of the games to save them cap space. They are offering him that money expecting 16+ games per season. They are assuming he will earn the bonus by playing all the games. They just want to push some of the money into next years cap. You are hung up on the language of "not likely to be earned." That is a term which refers to previous performance, it's not a judgement call. We all think he's likely to earn the bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, wagne591 said: The signing of Milano tells me exactly this...that we are making a run at the SB!! He was a part of the first draft class that McD was a part of right before they hired Beane....Keeping and signing their own is what it is all about. How much do we gain by dropping AJ and drafting a LB as a back up? Also we are still in the running for a DE I think we need to drop or get Tyler M. and I wish Lee Smith would decide if he is going to retire or not. How much do we save if Lee Smith retires vice getting cut does anyone know? Lee Smith has no dead cap. Same savings if he retires or gets cut. $2.25M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, mbs said: They are assuming he will earn the bonus by playing all the games. They just want to push some of the money into next years cap. You are hung up on the language of "not likely to be earned." That is a term which refers to previous performance, it's not a judgement call. We all think he's likely to earn the bonus. there's no chance they wrote the deal this way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, wagne591 said: The signing of Milano tells me exactly this...that we are making a run at the SB!! He was a part of the first draft class that McD was a part of right before they hired Beane....Keeping and signing their own is what it is all about. How much do we gain by dropping AJ and drafting a LB as a back up? Also we are still in the running for a DE I think we need to drop or get Tyler M. and I wish Lee Smith would decide if he is going to retire or not. How much do we save if Lee Smith retires vice getting cut does anyone know? Smith is carrying 0 dead cap. It doesn't matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: there's no chance they wrote the deal this way Well I was looking for clarification. According to SalC, the deal includes playing time bonuses. If the playing time exceeds 11 games, they will be billed next year. But I'm not sure that "not likely to be earned" is based solely on previous year or on some sort of average. Edited March 12, 2021 by mbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: point is they wouldn't be offering all that money.......an also structuring it assuming he plays less than 75% of the games to save them cap space. They are offering him that money expecting 16+ games per season. I might be coming late to the party, but from what Sal Capaccio tweeted Milano's salary is $5.3M this year, plus amortized signing bonus $7M/4. This means cap hit of $7.05M + "likely to be earned" bonuses. At a guess, total cap hit if all per-game and workout bonuses earned somewhere under $8M this year. There's a gap of $5.4M between the sum of the signing bonuses and yearly salaries Capaccio lists, and the $44M value cited. Sal mentions "roster, workout, playing time, and pro-bowl bonuses". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Utah John Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Great news. Now get Daryl Williams back so Josh Allen can continue to dominate. And then Feliciano, if possible. The draft for BPA and here we go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 If Sal is correct on the Milano numbers, we should still have about 14 million. Time for a Hughes/Addison restructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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