Boxcar Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) I found it interesting. I don't know how resistant NFL fans are to analytics as I'm more familiar with the vitriol they receive from baseball fans, but I always think these types of things carry some value, if for no other reason than to give an alternate perspective. No "I like this guy because of X" or anything like that. Pure numbers. https://www.nfl.com/news/cynthia-frelund-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-who-teams-should-draft-to-win-now I'd be pretty surprised to see Wilson and Fields go that low and I'm not enthused over the Pats getting Trey Lance so let's hope that doesn't happen. For the TL;DR she has us taking OT Teven Jenkins as the best upgrade to our roster from what would be available. Edited March 3, 2021 by Boxcar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I actually see Fields sliding, without a combine people will be gun shy. He had a lackluster year at Georgia (not his fault I know but it's on his resume), a great year at OSU then last year with Covid and all he didn't really do all that well if you take the Clemson game away. I know if Surtain Jr slid to 19-20 range I would love buffalo to go get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 For the GM's/HC's/scouts this has to be one of the hardest drafts to prepare for. Many conferences, teams, players opted out last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I sure hope her draft falls this way and Zaven Collins is there at 30. Beane better have Rich Eisen ready to run card to commissioner. I'd be okay with resigning Williams and targeting the interior of the line later in the draft. Fingers crossed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 As long as it isn't a RB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I can't stand Cynthia Frelund. Something about her is extremely unlikable. Her predictions before each game of "301.7 yards passing" instead of simply rounding to the nearest 5 yards is very annoying for some reason. Who predicts passing and rushing yards to the exact yardage? I get it that she types everything into a program and comes up with these numbers, but c'mon. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, TBBills said: As long as it isn't a RB. I understand (I think) your point, but are you saying you legitimately wouldn't take McCaffrey in the Buffalo backfield? Because, Etienne might be that player... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: I sure hope her draft falls this way and Zaven Collins is there at 30. Beane better have Rich Eisen ready to run card to commissioner. I'd be okay with resigning Williams and targeting the interior of the line later in the draft. Fingers crossed Where would you play Collins? He is big enough to play 4-3 DE, but is he good enough there for pick 30? I know the league is moving more and more to positionless D, but I guess that make me uncomfortable. 55 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I understand (I think) your point, but are you saying you legitimately wouldn't take McCaffrey in the Buffalo backfield? Because, Etienne might be that player... I am in the group that thinks RBs are NOT a dime a dozen, but I think the Bills’ OL is a much bigger problem in the run game than Singletary and Moss were. I think you would be wasting a year or more of the short RB career of a top back behind this OL and that is before we know if they will lose one or more starting OL in FA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Where would you play Collins? He is big enough to play 4-3 DE, but is he good enough there for pick 30? I know the league is moving more and more to positionless D, but I guess that make me uncomfortable. I am in the group that thinks RBs are NOT a dime a dozen, but I think the Bills’ OL is a much bigger problem in the run game than Singletary and Moss were. I think you would be wasting a year or more of the short RB career of a top back behind this OL and that is before we know if they will lose one or more starting OL in FA. I would slot Collins right next to Edmunds @100% of the defensive plays. He’s adept in coverage, playing the run and rushing the qb imo. I feel that his size makes his ideal fit as an OLB in a 4-3, but his skill set fits perfectly as a 3 down lb in a 4-3. He’s can do it all. I agree with the OL comment as well, but I feel that Beane will take BPA at a position of need and RB may be included in that. If Harris/etienne/Williams are available and they are the BPA in our board, I think they will be the pick. I view a 1st rd RB as a 5 year lottery ticket for this team with winning a SB in that span as the only objective. I don’t think that we’d give that RB an extension, just use him to be a major part of our offense en route to winning a SB during his rookie contract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: I would slot Collins right next to Edmunds @100% of the defensive plays. He’s adept in coverage, playing the run and rushing the qb imo. I feel that his size makes his ideal fit as an OLB in a 4-3, but his skill set fits perfectly as a 3 down lb in a 4-3. He’s can do it all. I agree with the OL comment as well, but I feel that Beane will take BPA at a position of need and RB may be included in that. If Harris/etienne/Williams are available and they are the BPA in our board, I think they will be the pick. I view a 1st rd RB as a 5 year lottery ticket for this team with winning a SB in that span as the only objective. I don’t think that we’d give that RB an extension, just use him to be a major part of our offense en route to winning a SB during his rookie contract I think it would be an adjustment. He is much better going towards the line of scrimmage than playing sideline to sideline like Milano. If the are playing that same 4-2-5 then it would be an adjustment for Collins. I like him and long term I think you could develop him into that. His talent is undeniable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 But is she hot or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, eball said: But is she hot or not? her hard work in the gym is evident, but I feel that she should get a nose job. 👃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Just now, NewEra said: her hard work in the gym is evident, but I feel that she should get a nose job. 👃 Definitely a tweener. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think it would be an adjustment. He is much better going towards the line of scrimmage than playing sideline to sideline like Milano. If the are playing that same 4-2-5 then it would be an adjustment for Collins. I like him and long term I think you could develop him into that. His talent is undeniable. He’s definitely better attacking the LOS rather than dropping back, but his instincts, from what I’ve seen, seem to pop as his reaction time really stands out. He makes great breaks on pass routes in the passing game. While attacking the LOS looks to be his area of supreme strength, he looks comfortable in coverage most of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: He’s definitely better attacking the LOS rather than dropping back, but his instincts, from what I’ve seen, seem to pop as his reaction time really stands out. He makes great breaks on pass routes in the passing game. While attacking the LOS looks to be his area of supreme strength, he looks comfortable in coverage most of the time. He can drop into shallow zones. But that is kind of what Tremaine does for us. Milano's role is a lot of side to side. That at this point is not Collins's forte IMO. If the Bills draft him and play him at linebacker they need to go back to more of a standard 4-3 and use Collins the way they used Zo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He can drop into shallow zones. But that is kind of what Tremaine does for us. Milano's role is a lot of side to side. That at this point is not Collins's forte IMO. If the Bills draft him and play him at linebacker they need to go back to more of a standard 4-3 and use Collins the way they used Zo. Interesting. If that’s really the case, he’s probably not even on our board.....unless they play him inside and put Tremaine in the position to run sideline to sideline. It may benefit Tremaine. I see Edmunds as being slow to react sitting in that zone and is picked on constantly. Teams target him in the pass game as his recognition isn’t plus, yet. IIRC, QBs had a 130+ rating targeting him this season. His stop to start explosiveness/recognition isn’t nearly that of Collins’. While Edmunds’ role in our defense needs to change, imo, I expect more of the same. I have nightmares of that Kc game and Mahomes throwing pass after pass to wide open receivers with Edmunds running in space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, chknwing334 said: I can't stand Cynthia Frelund. Something about her is extremely unlikable. Her predictions before each game of "301.7 yards passing" instead of simply rounding to the nearest 5 yards is very annoying for some reason. Who predicts passing and rushing yards to the exact yardage? I get it that she types everything into a program and comes up with these numbers, but c'mon. I like her because she always looks so uncomfortable talking to that guy with the big ears and it's amusing, plus her score predictions are magical. Every score is like 24-21. Being said, she's hot and she offers something different so I like that she's in the scene. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: Interesting. If that’s really the case, he’s probably not even on our board.....unless they play him inside and put Tremaine in the position to run sideline to sideline. It may benefit Tremaine. I see Edmunds as being slow to react sitting in that zone and is picked on constantly. Teams target him in the pass game as his recognition isn’t plus, yet. IIRC, QBs had a 130+ rating targeting him this season. His stop to start explosiveness/recognition isn’t nearly that of Collins’. While Edmunds’ role in our defense needs to change, imo, I expect more of the same. I have nightmares of that Kc game and Mahomes throwing pass after pass to wide open receivers with Edmunds running in space I agree. I wouldn't be adverse to that. I just don't think the Bills have any interest in changing Tremaine's position. I wouldn't hate drafting Collins. So much talent there. I wouldn't love drafting him just trying to slot him into Milano's spot. Edited March 3, 2021 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, eball said: But is she hot or not? Definitely hot. Weirdly even hotter when she wears glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 45 minutes ago, NewEra said: her hard work in the gym is evident, but I feel that she should get a nose job. 👃 To paraphrase the great Uncle Luke “face down....” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I agree. I wouldn't be adverse to that. I just don't think the Bills have any interest in changing Tremaine's position. I wouldn't hate drafting Collins. So much talent there. I wouldn't love drafting him just trying to slot him into Milano's spot. I really hope he’s there. It would definitely improve the run defense. He can do it all. Think of a bigger, more athletic Kuechly potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 hours ago, chknwing334 said: I can't stand Cynthia Frelund. Something about her is extremely unlikable. Her predictions before each game of "301.7 yards passing" instead of simply rounding to the nearest 5 yards is very annoying for some reason. Who predicts passing and rushing yards to the exact yardage? I get it that she types everything into a program and comes up with these numbers, but c'mon. Let’s be honest she’s there to add a girl to the broadcast...they seem to be in this gotta get as many women around the game as they can type deal...she adds absolutely nothing then someone from say some analytics website could do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 hours ago, chknwing334 said: I can't stand Cynthia Frelund. Something about her is extremely unlikable. Her predictions before each game of "301.7 yards passing" instead of simply rounding to the nearest 5 yards is very annoying for some reason. Who predicts passing and rushing yards to the exact yardage? I get it that she types everything into a program and comes up with these numbers, but c'mon. oldest trick in the book. If you add a decimal it makes your calculation sound more credible, even if it’s bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: I understand (I think) your point, but are you saying you legitimately wouldn't take McCaffrey in the Buffalo backfield? Because, Etienne might be that player... I would run to the podium to take a top playmaker over an OT in the 1st at 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Most wouldn't agree, which is OK, but I would look at LB and CB at 30 hoping a player is there. Big body DT would be on that list but I'm not sure any of them are worth #30 in this draft. If none of those make sense I would take a physical interior OL. Alvin Kamara or CMC would be highly frustrated behind this line on inside runs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) Thanks for sharing. Some of the analytical information is useful in learning about prospects. I like the player mocked to us, although I'd go Harris or Etitine there. On the other hand, this comment about a prospect is just useless: "From a pure speed standpoint, on plays where he was not touched, Oweh had the fastest burst among edge rushers in the FBS last season, as measured by the time it took him to travel 5 yards from the line of scrimmage." On plays where he was not touched? Um, what happened when he was touched? Edited March 4, 2021 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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machine gun kelly Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 13 hours ago, eball said: But is she hot or not? Hey Sherlock, open the attachment or use this crazy thing called GOOGLE! I’m just kidding eman, I know you have a good sense of humor. The only way I see us taking a RT (assuming Dawkins is our guy) is we’ve passed on a D. Williams extension. To me, this is a mistake. I haven’t seen much on Ettiene, but if he is remotely like McCaffrey, I’d love it. That guy is so dynamic like another said Kamara. These guys have the ability to be a traditional RB, but also are a major receiving threat. Considering we may not upgrade our TE group, at least improve our short game. I don’t understand gambling on a draft prospect, when we have a proven RT already and still have some flexibility in reduce, restructure others. Williams had several very good years in his professional career, and one tough injury to get over, but he’s proven his worth. On the other hand Moss is kind of a one trick pony, and Im losing faith in Singletary. It’s not just his lack of ability to get through the hole, but his dropped passes this year drove me nuts. I know it wasn’t a lot, but c’mon, how hard is to catch a pass maybe a couple of yards over the LOS. One side note that is promising is NFL reporting by women has evolved from not just some eye candy as a sideline reporting, but some very good analysts and informative. If any of you have listened to NFLR, one regular that is interviewed about things from the Browns is Mary Kay Cabbott. She’s great and I see that as progress in 2021. I know women have been reporting in the NFL for awhile, but it continues to progress and is great for gender politics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I like her nose Its different She also has a great body and loves football. Although some of her takes are a bit off....like the week she said sit Beasley and he had 11 catches 109yds and a TD it was the Cards game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 17 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: I am in the group that thinks RBs are NOT a dime a dozen, but I think the Bills’ OL is a much bigger problem in the run game than Singletary and Moss were. I think you would be wasting a year or more of the short RB career of a top back behind this OL and that is before we know if they will lose one or more starting OL in FA. And I agree that Offensive Line was an issue, but the notion of Drafting a dynamic RB in the 1st, e.g. Etienne, does not exclude the upgrade at Offensive Line through both FA and the Draft. Wyatt Teller was a 5th round pick by the Bills that just had one of the best years in the league last year for the Browns. I think you can do both is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 While I understand her approach, I strongly doubt the Falcons will pick Paye at #4. That's like drafting Takarist McKinley all over again. I think they will draft Matt Ryan's successor. This draft is probably scaring NFL teams to death with so many players opting out from last season. Are they out of shape? Did they over-condition where they will tear an ACL in short order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Am I the only one who thinks she looks like Cali Carter? 😆 but seriously they could/should be the same person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 19 hours ago, FFadpecr said: So if Alvin Kamara was available in this draft at #30, you would pass on him? There's a big difference between a weapon and a runner. Ettiene is that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 20 hours ago, FFadpecr said: Why not improve both at once? FA happens before the draft. RG Gabe Jackson was just released. The Bills could sign Gabe Jackson to play RG, have Cody Ford play LG (better run blocker than Boettger)....and then they could use the 1st round pick on Travis Etienne. Boom - that just upgraded the Run-Blocking and the RBs....it doesn't have to be one or the other. Except the Bills are very tight on cap space and they haven’t even opened the Brinks truck for Allen yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just for some perspective. Here is her draft from last year. https://www.nfl.com/news/cynthia-frelund-2020-nfl-mock-draft-who-would-analytics-pick-0ap3000001105216 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 11:47 AM, Boxcar said: I found it interesting. I don't know how resistant NFL fans are to analytics as I'm more familiar with the vitriol they receive from baseball fans, but I always think these types of things carry some value, if for no other reason than to give an alternate perspective. No "I like this guy because of X" or anything like that. Pure numbers. https://www.nfl.com/news/cynthia-frelund-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-who-teams-should-draft-to-win-now I'd be pretty surprised to see Wilson and Fields go that low and I'm not enthused over the Pats getting Trey Lance so let's hope that doesn't happen. For the TL;DR she has us taking OT Teven Jenkins as the best upgrade to our roster from what would be available. I don't think it makes since to take a RT at #30 if the Bills resign D. Williams. But if they don't, they almost have to. I think Teven Jenkins is a beast, and he's from Oklahoma State, not Oklahoma. So it isn't like going back to the same well for Ford. There's maybe 4 guys at RT that could step in right away. Jenkins might be the best of the bunch. Dude is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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