YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 [quote]He is exceptionally quick, elusive, and has the speed to take the football the distance from anywhere on the field. What he lacks in size, he makes up in big-play potential. At the next level, Hawkins doesn’t profile as a feature back, but his skill set demands a few chances each week to get involved in the passing game, jet motion, and perimeter runs. The challenge with Hawkins in the NFL is he lacks natural vision, is undersized, and has some ball security issues. Despite his skill set translating well to pass-catching duties out of the backfield, he only caught 21 passes in college, so he must prove his ability to be a reliable receiver. Hawkins is a niche player, but his ability to produce big plays and add a speed dynamic gives him a chance at the next level[/quote] Projected 5th round 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Shoot. We’re officially at the point in the draft process where all my sleepers get discovered. love the speed on this guy. He and his teammate Tutu Atwell have incredible speed and I’d love to have some of it on the Bills... 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: [quote]He is exceptionally quick, elusive, and has the speed to take the football the distance from anywhere on the field. What he lacks in size, he makes up in big-play potential. At the next level, Hawkins doesn’t profile as a feature back, but his skill set demands a few chances each week to get involved in the passing game, jet motion, and perimeter runs. The challenge with Hawkins in the NFL is he lacks natural vision, is undersized, and has some ball security issues. Despite his skill set translating well to pass-catching duties out of the backfield, he only caught 21 passes in college, so he must prove his ability to be a reliable receiver. Hawkins is a niche player, but his ability to produce big plays and add a speed dynamic gives him a chance at the next level[/quote] Projected 5th round Darren Sproles like??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Bills scouts have met with him per this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronthebaron Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Yes yes yes. I really think we need a burner RB, someone that’s a threat to break long runs and take some pressure off the passing game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 We definitely need some speed on the offensive side. If he can also return, he could possibly replace both Roberts and McKenzie. And yes, I realize he isn't a WR. I mean more so the role they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I’d be worried about his vision. A lot of his college highlights - I haven’t watched full games yet - look like they’d end up as TFLs in the NFL with bigger, stronger, and faster defenders at every position, especially because he doesn’t run with the patience to let combination blocks develop or really press gaps. So the question is.... Does he provide anything that McKenzie doesn’t? To be blunt, this teams run blocking isn’t good enough for Hawkins to just nail gaps reliably inside or outside without breaking tackles or running with creativity. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I think we draft Harris unless Miami gets him before us 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: I’d be worried about his vision. A lot of his college highlights - I haven’t watched full games yet - look like they’d end up as TFLs in the NFL with bigger, stronger, and faster defenders at every position, especially because he doesn’t run with the patience to let combination blocks develop or really press gaps. So the question is.... Does he provide anything that McKenzie doesn’t? To be blunt, this teams run blocking isn’t good enough for Hawkins to just nail gaps reliably inside or outside without breaking tackles or running with creativity. McKenzie = WR Hawkins = RB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkx2 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: [quote]He is exceptionally quick, elusive, and has the speed to take the football the distance from anywhere on the field. What he lacks in size, he makes up in big-play potential. At the next level, Hawkins doesn’t profile as a feature back, but his skill set demands a few chances each week to get involved in the passing game, jet motion, and perimeter runs. The challenge with Hawkins in the NFL is he lacks natural vision, is undersized, and has some ball security issues. Despite his skill set translating well to pass-catching duties out of the backfield, he only caught 21 passes in college, so he must prove his ability to be a reliable receiver. Hawkins is a niche player, but his ability to produce big plays and add a speed dynamic gives him a chance at the next level[/quote] Projected 5th round No more undersize backs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Yeah I’m not sure on him. 21 catches in college. Doesn’t seem to have a powerful base - Alvin Kamarra is low key a power back - that’s what you’re looking for, in addition to raw speed, some other “plus” factor like effectiveness in the passing game or some ability to break a tackle. Can he pass protect on third down with that frame? If not, he’s going to be used so sparingly I’m not sure it’s worth a draft pick investment. And I agree with the poster above about the spin moves in the backfield - those aren’t going to work at the next level. He’ll lose 6 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 He is a throw away pick guy only IMO. 6th / 7th / PUDFA. That said I am okay spending a throw away pick on a back with speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 hours ago, jkx2 said: No more undersize backs No more slow backs 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotme365 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Yeah I wouldn’t mind a running back with speed as long as they didn’t draft him before the 8th or 9th round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, gotme365 said: Yeah I wouldn’t mind a running back with speed as long as they didn’t draft him before the 8th or 9th round I take it you don’t think our RB room can use an element of speed? That worried about a 7th rd pick huh? Edited February 26, 2021 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotme365 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Honestly I’d rather spend a 7th on a developmental prospect on the o line or LB. I’m positive that there will be undrafted running backs with speed. If they really want one they can sign one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 We believe the problem with our running game was that our backs didn’t hit the wall of humanity, that was supposed to be a hole, fast enough? Really? I beg to differ. The Bills need a running back with both size and vision. So many times our backs (mostly Singletary) were either brought down by a feather, or missed the cutback into the hole that was just one slot to their left or right. Unless you plan on completely changing the O Line, having more speed at RB isn’t going to accomplish a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: We believe the problem with our running game was that our backs didn’t hit the wall of humanity, that was supposed to be a hole, fast enough? Really? I beg to differ. The Bills need a running back with both size and vision. So many times our backs (mostly Singletary) were either brought down by a feather, or missed the cutback into the hole that was just one slot to their left or right. Unless you plan on completely changing the O Line, having more speed at RB isn’t going to accomplish a thing. Lol....who said that? There can more than one problem with a running game. OL play is one. Scheme is another. Not having enough diversity in our back field is another. Not having enough speed to the corner is another. we don’t have to fix every aspect, but a couple tweaks here and there in different areas can help. Adding a back with speed to the corner that the opposing defense has to account for can help our run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I posted about him in another thread as well. The guy is lightening in a bottle. He's smallish @ 5'9", but has a thick build weighing 195lbs and speed like no other RB on this roster has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 13 hours ago, wppete said: Wow is he undersized! He looks like a kid out there, but if Beane and co see him as a fit in a later round im on board. Would leave Daboll with his work cut out trying to figure out the best way to use him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Both Singletary and Moss are #2s, they aren’t ever going to be #1s, although he is faster, Hawkins is as mentioned, undersized, we do not need a third #2 RB, it would be okay as Gunner said, as 6th or 7th round pick. If the offensive line and the RBs can get on the same page, our current talent will look much better, an improvement on the O line will be more beneficial as a whole. Although a bigger faster RB would be really nice to have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Like Gunner said, I’d use a throw away pick on him. His 40 time would contribute to my decision. Hawkins, size wise, is comparable to Darren Sproles. I could go into next season with an improved offensive line, Moss/Singletary and Hawkins as my 3rd/accessory back. If he could be half a player Sproles was it would be a win-win situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: [quote]He is exceptionally quick, elusive, and has the speed to take the football the distance from anywhere on the field. What he lacks in size, he makes up in big-play potential. At the next level, Hawkins doesn’t profile as a feature back, but his skill set demands a few chances each week to get involved in the passing game, jet motion, and perimeter runs. The challenge with Hawkins in the NFL is he lacks natural vision, is undersized, and has some ball security issues. Despite his skill set translating well to pass-catching duties out of the backfield, he only caught 21 passes in college, so he must prove his ability to be a reliable receiver. Hawkins is a niche player, but his ability to produce big plays and add a speed dynamic gives him a chance at the next level[/quote] Projected 5th round Where is the Freiermuth piece?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 18 hours ago, wppete said: After watching the video, the center (#66) stood out to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Where is the Freiermuth piece?!?! Meh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: McKenzie = WR Hawkins = RB And at this time last year Lynn Bowden was a QB. 🤷♂️. If Hawkins had good vision to go along with his elusiveness there’d be a real difference. At this point he’s an elite athlete that runs into his linemen too often. Nothing wrong with spending a late round pick on a developmental player with speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) @YoloinOhio How about one of these threads on Travis Etienne from Clemson? As I start prepping myself of the mocks, this kid stands out as a Beane guy. He has the quality starts and production we look for, and the comments made in the off-season makes me believe we are going for a home run hitter at either RB or TE somewhere. I still feel like it’s going to be DB with our first, Edge second, but I think Travis is a guy worth keeping an eye on Edited March 22, 2021 by Virgil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 2/26/2021 at 1:43 AM, jkx2 said: No more undersize backs no new friends... 1 hour ago, Virgil said: @YoloinOhio How about one of these threads on Travis Etienne from Clemson? As I start prepping myself of the mocks, this kid stands out as a Beane guy. He has the quality starts and production we look for, and the comments made in the off-season makes me believe we are going for a home run hitter at either RB or TE somewhere. I still feel like it’s going to be DB with our first, Edge second, but I think Travis is a guy worth keeping an eye on @YoloinOhio How about one of these threads on Travis Etienne from Clemson? As I start prepping myself of the mocks, this kid stands out as a Beane guy. He has the quality starts and production we look for, and the comments made in the off-season makes me believe we are going for a home run hitter at either RB or TE somewhere. I still feel like it’s going to be DB with our first, Edge second, but I think Travis is a guy worth keeping an eye on I would much rather take someone like Etienne than a defender in round 1...Etienne gives us something we are sorely lacking on offense, which is how this team is built now...I get McD is a defensive coach but I think Etienne gives us more than a defender would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 9:53 PM, Aaronthebaron said: Yes yes yes. I really think we need a burner RB, someone that’s a threat to break long runs and take some pressure off the passing game. I bet that CJ Spiller is still pretty fast... Speed is only one part of being a good RB. I'll grant that with the more open NFL offenses of today, that speed is a big advantage - if you can get into the open field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Virgil said: @YoloinOhio How about one of these threads on Travis Etienne from Clemson? As I start prepping myself of the mocks, this kid stands out as a Beane guy. He has the quality starts and production we look for, and the comments made in the off-season makes me believe we are going for a home run hitter at either RB or TE somewhere. I still feel like it’s going to be DB with our first, Edge second, but I think Travis is a guy worth keeping an eye on @YoloinOhio How about one of these threads on Travis Etienne from Clemson? As I start prepping myself of the mocks, this kid stands out as a Beane guy. He has the quality starts and production we look for, and the comments made in the off-season makes me believe we are going for a home run hitter at either RB or TE somewhere. I still feel like it’s going to be DB with our first, Edge second, but I think Travis is a guy worth keeping an eye on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 2/26/2021 at 7:55 PM, Buffalo Junction said: And at this time last year Lynn Bowden was a QB. 🤷♂️. If Hawkins had good vision to go along with his elusiveness there’d be a real difference. At this point he’s an elite athlete that runs into his linemen too often. Nothing wrong with spending a late round pick on a developmental player with speed. Bowden was only playing QB out of necessity. All their QBs got hurt or transferred. He was a WR recruit. 2 hours ago, Virgil said: @YoloinOhio How about one of these threads on Travis Etienne from Clemson? As I start prepping myself of the mocks, this kid stands out as a Beane guy. He has the quality starts and production we look for, and the comments made in the off-season makes me believe we are going for a home run hitter at either RB or TE somewhere. I still feel like it’s going to be DB with our first, Edge second, but I think Travis is a guy worth keeping an eye on @YoloinOhio How about one of these threads on Travis Etienne from Clemson? As I start prepping myself of the mocks, this kid stands out as a Beane guy. He has the quality starts and production we look for, and the comments made in the off-season makes me believe we are going for a home run hitter at either RB or TE somewhere. I still feel like it’s going to be DB with our first, Edge second, but I think Travis is a guy worth keeping an eye on Has he met with the Bills? I heard mentioned on a podcast that he has but I didn’t see it reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Bowden was only playing QB out of necessity. All their QBs got hurt or transferred. He was a WR recruit. I’m well aware. I posted about him a fair amount this time last year. My point was that what these guys do in college doesn’t necessarily provide a clear view of how they’ll be used in the NFL... Gruden tried to use Bowden as a RB, and bailed on that effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Bowden was only playing QB out of necessity. All their QBs got hurt or transferred. He was a WR recruit. Has he met with the Bills? I heard mentioned on a podcast that he has but I didn’t see it reported. No idea, but didn’t we send everyone to the Clemson Pro Day? Also, were you making those just for players we’ve had meetings with? I didn’t realize that if you had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Bowden was only playing QB out of necessity. All their QBs got hurt or transferred. He was a WR recruit. Has he met with the Bills? I heard mentioned on a podcast that he has but I didn’t see it reported. I don't see him on this, but I'm not sure how accurate the list is. I remember seeing somewhere that we had met with RB Kylin Hill of Miss. St., but no mention of him on here either. https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/03/2021-nfl-draft-bills-prospect-meeting-tracker.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) On 2/25/2021 at 9:53 PM, Aaronthebaron said: Yes yes yes. I really think we need a burner RB, someone that’s a threat to break long runs and take some pressure off the passing game. Im a hard pass. This kids got burners but most of his big runs had gaping holes or defense lost of contain. We need a pound it smash it Najee Harris type back not another CJ Spiller. Edited March 22, 2021 by billsfan_34 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: We need a pound it smash it Najee Harris type back not another CJ Spiller. We've already got 2 slow backs who can break tackles. Adding another one isn't gonna change much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, gobills404 said: We've already got 2 slow backs who can break tackles. Adding another one isn't gonna change much. We have 1 slow back that breaks some tackles, the other, not so much. If you would have a CJ Spiller type over a Derrick Henry type deep in the season when defenders are sick of tackling you, then thats your opinion- cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Virgil said: No idea, but didn’t we send everyone to the Clemson Pro Day? Also, were you making those just for players we’ve had meetings with? I didn’t realize that if you had Yes I was doing that as the virtual 1:1 visits were reported. it used to be limited to 30 when they physically flew in for visits. I am not sure if it is limited this year. Edited March 22, 2021 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 He is not a Bills prospect unless he's in for an official visit. Misleading thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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