BuffaloRebound Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 If he’s better and cheaper than Butler, then I’m for it. Same with WAtt. He’s better than Addison and Jefferson combined and most likely cheaper than those 2 combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 He's been a total waste of space since he signed the extension in Carolina. I totally get why everyone on here immediately rejects him but hold your horses. He is already getting over 9 million from Carolina to not play for them. You could probably get him for close to vet minimum and cut Vernon Butler freeing up cap space. You're upgrading at 3T for less money and you wouldn't be depending on him because Oliver is the future. This could happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) I love ya Chevy, but we just Busted playfully 78’s chops on a new thread for everyone being a cap casualty. My apologies 78 as you tried to rectify and changed you’re title to cap or possible cap casualties. If you guys want to start a new thread for the next 40 guys as cap casualties, but I’ll give 78 credit, he tried to get them lumped into one thread and would probably have 100 pages so we can just keep track of it. Im not a mod so whatever you guys want. This is going to get long meaning a new thread almost everyday if it’s a new one for every hit. You guys discuss and decide. Edited February 16, 2021 by machine gun kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Take his former team’s fans with a grain of salt but everyone there thinks he’s completely washed. Dudes get real old quick in the nfl. See Mario Addison. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 We need this guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: So replace average ex Carolina Panther with washed up ex Carolina Panther? Love it! Well Butler was never good. Short was once good. But it's totally fair to say he may have nothing left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 A nice article on Short from a while ago. Highlights his strengths. Yes definitely a 3T https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2611483-panthers-kawann-short-went-from-the-other-dt-to-elite-nfl-defender.amp.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Doesn't fit what we need. He's always been a 3 tech at his best We are set at 3 tech with Oliver, and Jefferson .. short would be an expensive and old option 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Sign him now...sign him now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Pass. Not an area of need, old and injury-prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 GIT 'R' DUNNNN!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Doesn't fit what we need. He's always been a 3 tech at his best We are set at 3 tech with Oliver, and Jefferson .. short would be an expensive and old option Do you think we’ll keep Jefferson? Short seems like a guy what wouldn’t cost very much and, if healthy, could outperform his contract, hence good value with not much risk (low salary). I haven’t seen him play in a couple years, similar to at least 90% of the posters in this thread that say he’s done. I won’t say he’d be a terrible pickup just because he’s from Carolina and has been hurt. To those that say he’s done, have you actually watched him? Or just look at his stats and injuries and assume? Based on what I saw from Jefferson last season and what I’ve known about Short in the past, I think I’d rather role the dice on Short IF we can get him for 2-4M a year, than keep Jefferson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: So replace average ex Carolina Panther with washed up ex Carolina Panther? Love it! Were you disappointed with Daryl Williams? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Doc said: Pass. Not an area of need, old and injury-prone. Who do you believe will be our backup 3T? I believe that Oliver’s backup will be an area of need, as I think we should and will cut Jefferson and Butler. 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Were you disappointed with Daryl Williams? Some see Carolina and immediately sigh and say no. I haven’t see him play recently, so I’m not sure either. Bring him in and see how he looks. Offer him a team friendly contract if he looks like he can contribute imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Do you think we’ll keep Jefferson? Short seems like a guy what wouldn’t cost very much and, if healthy, could outperform his contract, hence good value with not much risk (low salary). I haven’t seen him play in a couple years, similar to at least 90% of the posters in this thread that say he’s done. I won’t say he’d be a terrible pickup just because he’s from Carolina and has been hurt. To those that say he’s done, have you actually watched him? Or just look at his stats and injuries and assume? Based on what I saw from Jefferson last season and what I’ve known about Short in the past, I think I’d rather role the dice on Short IF we can get him for 2-4M a year, than keep Jefferson. I mean I think it all depends on the deal short wants. Jefferson was coming on at the end of the season, and he actually is pretty disruptive At his peak short was a bigger stronger better player, and I wouldn't say he's done... But I'm not sure how much he has left His quickness was one of his best assets for a huge man , and he's lost a step 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Eventually ‘his guys’ should churn out of the system right? No because before Sean McDermott left for Buffalo he signed an agreement with Carolina to continue sending him all player film. This could go on forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who do you believe will be our backup 3T? I believe that Oliver’s backup will be an area of need, as I think we should and will cut Jefferson and Butler. Some see Carolina and immediately sigh and say no. By the time the new league year officially sets in I think there will be a lot more vets like Short available. Many of these guys like Short, Sheldon Rankins, etc will probably take some cheap “prove it” or ring chasing deals. The Bills getting to the AFCCG with a developing QB makes many of these guys relatively affordable options. As such.... I’m in wait and see mode because I think Beane will find a good match once all cap casualties hit the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who do you believe will be our backup 3T? I believe that Oliver’s backup will be an area of need, as I think we should and will cut Jefferson and Butler. Some see Carolina and immediately sigh and say no. I haven’t see him play recently, so I’m not sure either. Bring him in and see how he looks. Offer him a team friendly contract if he looks like he can contribute imo. Phillips and Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Not at all.... the one ex Carolina Panther they signed who actually performed well. Still, Williams is younger and had been an all pro. Short is 32 and as mentioned has been injury prone and not been on the field the past two seasons. The one ex Carolina Panther I'd love for them to pursue is Curtis Samuel. Short has also been an All Pro. Williams was bad and injury prone his last 2 years in Carolina....it's how we got him on a 1 year $2.5 million dollar contract to sign with the Bills this past year. What would it hurt bringing in Short at something like that when you have a heavy rotation on the DL? It doesn't guarantee he makes the roster and it doesn't keep you passing on someone who you might think is better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Get er done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Bills don't need DTs. They need edge rushers. Hard pass. He is 32. They need to get younger, bigger, and faster on the edge. If they cut jefferson/butler as everyone suspects... they need interior dline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: You can bet McBeane is interested.... they can't help themselves 😱🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Not at all.... the one ex Carolina Panther they signed who actually performed well. Still, Williams is younger and had been an all pro. Short is 32 and as mentioned has been injury prone and not been on the field the past two seasons. The one ex Carolina Panther I'd love for them to pursue is Curtis Samuel. Great call... there’s how you add some speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Short has also been an All Pro. Williams was bad and injury prone his last 2 years in Carolina....it's how we got him on a 1 year $2.5 million dollar contract to sign with the Bills this past year. What would it hurt bringing in Short at something like that when you have a heavy rotation on the DL? It doesn't guarantee he makes the roster and it doesn't keep you passing on someone who you might think is better. Williams was also All Pro (2nd, in 2017), is young and was played out-of-position when he returned from injury. Very different from this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, NewEra said: To those that say he’s done, have you actually watched him? Or just look at his stats and injuries and assume? The problem is he hasn't been able to stay on the field. When he has, he has been a good starter-not a Fletcher Cox or Donald but still effective. It's understandable that Panthers fans are bitter, because of his enormous and wasted cap hit in the past 2 years. He was grossly overpaid and couldn't come close to value for his post SB extension. Obviously, the Bills can offer a top class facility and there is familiarity with McDermott and Washington as well as former teammates. Assuming he came cheap it makes sense. The value in getting him would obviously be in releasing Butler and Jefferson creating cap space elsewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, Doc said: Phillips and Zimmer. I thought phillips was pretty bad at 3T. He played some solid 1T at the end of the year and I believe that will be his positions with the Bills while he’s on the team. He’s not a 3T imo. I like Zimmer as a rotational 3T. Maybe he can be the primary backup 3T. Just seems like, if this is our plan, than our DTs will be worse than last year. Gaining star, but losing Jefferson and butler. Jefferson is clearly a much better 3T than phillips and Zimmer imo. I feel that we should sign a 3T on a prove it deal and draft a 1T to replace Star after this season. Would love to get Tyler Shelvin or Tadarrell Slaton mid rounds. Phillips isn’t starter material atm imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Williams was also All Pro (2nd, in 2017), is young and was played out-of-position when he returned from injury. Very different from this situation. Short was also 2nd team All Pro. Also injured prior to availability. Also a solid starter available on the cheap. So there is 5 years age difference but to offset that he would be in a line rotation backing up Oliver, not a guy who will play 100% of snaps at tackle. If he is a let down and costs say 2 mill, you still got a starter for a year and saved Butler and possibly Jefferson cap hit. For me, It's not about Short getting 11 sacks and being depended on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: We have Harrison Phillips to play 1T and spell Star. I would guess Harrison > Short right now. and much more affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Depends on the contract. Rather them not waste $$$ on another ex Carolina Panther who hasn't played much and is old/washed in a situation where they are up against the cap.... would much rather them use all the cap they need on a high level guy on the edge. Like Daryl Williams was last year. He was awful in 2019. 2M got it done and was one of the best free agent signings in the entire league....not just for the Bills. I just don’t understand why “ex-Carolina panther” is the foundation for not wanting him. We’ve had some success with some ex Carolina panthers. Williams being a prime example. Klein turned out to be a solid addition after a tough start. Marlowe has made some nice plays. Butler didn’t set the world on fire, but him playing 1T helped turn around our run D that was missing Star. If he’s healthy and cheap....I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with this. When healthy, he was a beast. If he’s clearly lost a few steps or wants too much money, I get not wanting him. 1 minute ago, freddyjj said: I would guess Harrison > Short right now. and much more affordable. But short wouldn’t be playing 1T backing up star.....which is what harrison should be doing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, Doc said: Williams was also All Pro (2nd, in 2017), is young and was played out-of-position when he returned from injury. Very different from this situation. It's so different where Short wouldn't be worth a shot for a few million? 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Depends on the contract. Rather them not waste $$$ on another ex Carolina Panther who hasn't played much and is old/washed in a situation where they are up against the cap.... would much rather them use all the cap they need on a high level guy on the edge. I'm sure the FO has enough sense to understand that you don't pass up a high level edge guy for a back up DT. Short is a depth guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, freddyjj said: I would guess Harrison > Short right now. and much more affordable. I really like Harrison as rotational depth on a cheap deal. But, in no universe has he ever shown ability to rush the passer like Short. The gamble here is can Short be fit. But his floor is high if the price is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It's so different where Short wouldn't be worth a shot for a few million? Again, age and injuries. I don't think the Bills can count on him to be available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 We could use him if he’s cheap. We really need to fix our run defense. It was getting embarrassed at some points this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Again, age and injuries. I don't think the Bills can count on him to be available. So you're a definite no on JJ Watt then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: So you're a definite no on JJ Watt then? Yeah. And Watt will demand a hell of a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: I love ya Chevy, but we just Busted playfully 78’s chops on a new thread for everyone being a cap casualty. My apologies 78 as you tried to rectify and changed you’re title to cap or possible cap casualties. If you guys want to start a new thread for the next 40 guys as cap casualties, but I’ll give 78 credit, he tried to get them lumped into one thread and would probably have 100 pages so we can just keep track of it. Im not a mod so whatever you guys want. This is going to get long meaning a new thread almost everyday if it’s a new one for every hit. You guys discuss and decide. I agree with the thought of not having a new thread for every cap casualty. I thought this one merited a thread because of Beane’s strong propensity to sign released Carolina players, especially on the defensive side of the ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 36 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah. And Watt will demand a hell of a lot more. Who would you target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who would you target? I'll have to see the list once all the tags are handed-out and such. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 HARD pass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) Guys that wear #99 are aggravating .... Some are Lazy (Dareus) Some can't make up their mind on ANYTHING (JJ Watt) Now this Short guy., 2 shoulder surgeries in 2 years ....Pass . Edited February 16, 2021 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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