cage Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) I'd love to see some comparative analysis by Cover1 or JoeB/MattF at The Athletic, but one of the things jumping out at me is what a difference pass rush makes. People can talk about Allen and Brady all they want, but the relentless effectiveness of Tampa's pass rushing was the MVP of the Super Bowl and the lack of it made the AFC Championship game so frustrating. That's where our drafting needs to focus... Edited February 8, 2021 by cage 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 This was the ball game 💯 TB whipping the undermanned KC OL i mentioned in another thread, while Brady is certainly the GOAT, I could’ve QB’d the Bucs to a win last night. In Brady’s last two championships, his defenses game up 12 combined points and zero TDs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The pass rush was 100% responsible for that win. A pass rush would change this defense so much and really elevate a couple guys play. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Looks like TB played the way we played the Chiefs the first time around. Play deep, make every throw difficult on Mahomes and make them beat you by winning at the LOS. But against us they dominated in the trenches, while Tampa Bay dominated them. I think upgrading he D-line effectiveness will be paramount this season 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Pass rush, or lack of blocking? Weren't the Chiefs missing 3 of their offensive linemen? Mahomes is the best there is and he is surrounded by fast, talented skill players. Even he couldn't do anything without solid protection. I make the case that not much as changed when it comes to blocking. For years on end (not recently because it has improved) I was on this board screaming about the lack of resources that were devoted to the OL. This game was a shining example of what happens when a team cannot block. Hey, the Chiefs were minus three points despite the injuries. Oddsmakers and the betting public concluded that Mahomes is just so great that he would win despite the OL being decimated by injuries. Yeah, well they were destroyed up front and got their butts kicked all over the field, Mahomes and all. This game brought back painful memories of players such as Trey Teague, Mike Pucillo, Jerry Ostroski, Langston Walker, Terrance Pennington, Demetress Bell, and scads of other horrible players that our offensive line used to consist of. It was almost like PTSD lol. The game is over and I don't care who won. Now the Buffalo Bills have a great quarterback. I hope that Beane and co. continue to devote the necessary resources to protecting him. I think that they will. 👍 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Same goes for the offensive line. 2 weeks ago Allen was running for his life and our backs had nowhere to go. Last night Brady was rarely pressured and the Chiefs defensive line kept getting pushed 2-3 yards downfield when the Bucs ran it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Well, do we want to feel like we made it to the AFCCG, and lost, as seen as an accomplishment, or the Boy I Love Losing SB’s Bills which is what would’ve been said if we lost to a Brady Bucs. I’m glad we didn’t face that scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, cage said: I'd love to see some comparative analysis by Cover1 or JoeB/MattF at The Athletic, but one of the things jumping out at me is what a difference pass rush makes. People can talk about Allen and Brady all they want, but the relentless effectiveness of Tampa's pass rushing was the MVP of the Super Bowl and the lack of it made the AFC Championship game so frustrating. That's where our drafting needs to focus... but getting a big time pass rusher at 30 cannot happen... these are top 5 pick type guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 40 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: The pass rush was 100% responsible for that win. A pass rush would change this defense so much and really elevate a couple guys play. There is no player on this roster that qualifies as am elite pass rusher, Beane needs to cut 3-4 defensive guys who carry huge cap money and get a couple of play makers on defence. Milano is free to walk if he thinks he deserves anything more than 7-8 mill, in fact David for the Bucs is a free agents who i would love to see in a Bills uniform. End of the day our defence was a problem all season long, covering TE'S was a problem all season long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, cage said: I'd love to see some comparative analysis by Cover1 or JoeB/MattF at The Athletic, but one of the things jumping out at me is what a difference pass rush makes. People can talk about Allen and Brady all they want, but the relentless effectiveness of Tampa's pass rushing was the MVP of the Super Bowl and the lack of it made the AFC Championship game so frustrating. That's where our drafting needs to focus... TOTALLY AGREE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolstoy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, cage said: I'd love to see some comparative analysis by Cover1 or JoeB/MattF at The Athletic, but one of the things jumping out at me is what a difference pass rush makes. People can talk about Allen and Brady all they want, but the relentless effectiveness of Tampa's pass rushing was the MVP of the Super Bowl and the lack of it made the AFC Championship game so frustrating. That's where our drafting needs to focus... Spot on. I suspect Beane knows this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 55 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Mahomes is the best there is and he is surrounded by fast, talented skill players. STOP! He IS NOT the best there is! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: but getting a big time pass rusher at 30 cannot happen... these are top 5 pick type guys Not necessarily. Sometimes they slip through the cracks. Right now, according to the draftniks, Quincy Roche is slated to be available around 30. He’s been a very good pass rusher in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, cage said: I'd love to see some comparative analysis by Cover1 or JoeB/MattF at The Athletic, but one of the things jumping out at me is what a difference pass rush makes. People can talk about Allen and Brady all they want, but the relentless effectiveness of Tampa's pass rushing was the MVP of the Super Bowl and the lack of it made the AFC Championship game so frustrating. That's where our drafting needs to focus... Yup. Need to build up the trenches on both sides of the ball. You saw it last night how TB made Mahomes uncomfortable in the pocket. The Giants did the same thing to Brady twice in the big game. The Ravens during the Lewis era gave Brady trouble as well with their front 4. The Bills need a better front 4 that can get to the QB. Need to improve the OL as well. Tampa was able to run the ball on the Chiefs which made for a balanced offense. Beane has his work cut out for him but we are getting there. The Bills are close and I think they will win a SB within the next 3-4 years but hopefully sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I’m all in on an elite pass rusher. 32 year old JJ Watt > 30 year old Trent Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Greg S said: Yup. Need to build up the trenches on both sides of the ball. You saw it last night how TB made Mahomes uncomfortable in the pocket. The Giants did the same thing to Brady twice in the big game. The Ravens during the Lewis era gave Brady trouble as well with their front 4. The Bills need a better front 4 that can get to the QB. Need to improve the OL as well. Tampa was able to run the ball on the Chiefs which made for a balanced offense. Beane has his work cut out for him but we are getting there. The Bills are close and I think they will win a SB within the next 3-4 years but hopefully sooner. If Beane can upgrade at the TE position and improve the interior of both offensive/defensive lines, the Bills can be in SB next season. I’d draft another young pass rusher, but I think AJ and Hughes/Addison can bring pressure from the outside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: The pass rush was 100% responsible for that win. A pass rush would change this defense so much and really elevate a couple guys play. The problem is some fans on this get emotionally attached to players and don't understand that our defence has no play makers other then maybe White. You need to add play makers if you plan on beating KC and getting to the Super Bowl to win it. Guys like Addison/Jefferson/Butler , any or all need to be cut. We need to retool this defence and get real RB. I would also consider cutting one of the two safeties and replacing with someone who has speed, because both guys are too slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I was surprised Fatrick Duck Waddle Mahomes couldn’t 20 yard back peddle roll out every play & lead his team to victory. Josh Allen faced similar pressure two weeks ago and did more individually to evade pressure and run than The Duck did last night. Under similar pressure and with no run game support or All-Pro TE, Josh Allen at least put up 24 points, and a respectable 288 yards 2TDs/1INT, 7 rushes for 88 yards. The Duck looked exposed for the first time in his NFL career. I like what the Bucs said: “gimmicky” offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I think that you overload and make sure you have enough in the trenches. When you think you have enough pass rush, go get another! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Let’s not forget that both of KC’s starting Tackles were out. They had a backup at RT against Buffalo, then their LT got hurt at the end of the AFC championship. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 not the only difference.... coverage on hill and kelsay was superior to our game..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 That was some of the worst offensive line play I’ve seen in years. It’s hard to imagine that wasn’t the lone story line all week. Those guys couldn’t block anyone! Mahomes didn’t stand a chance and his coaches didn’t have an answer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 We had an elite pass rush this past year. 5th best— better than Tampa. Sure, it can improve. But I suspect it would have looked fierce yesterday going against that KC line. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-pass-rush-rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Let’s not forget that both of KC’s starting Tackles were out. They had a backup at RT against Buffalo, then their LT got hurt at the end of the AFC championship. Bucs should have sat Pierre-Paul & Suh to make things fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: We had an elite pass rush this past year. 5th best— better than Tampa. Sure, it can improve. But I suspect it would have looked fierce yesterday going against that KC line. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-pass-rush-rankings Not if McDermott plays that soft coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 When it comes to winning championships, the no brainers are QB and coach. With few exceptions, you need very good to great in both roles. But pass rush is probably a very close 3rd. It seems like every team that has hoisted the Lombardi at the end has one of the better ones in the league. There is no substitute for being able to harry and hurry an opposing QB & keep them under pressure all game, especially if you can build a lead. And it's our biggest area of weakness. Our top guy had 5 sacks all season. Beane knows what he has to do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 hours ago, cage said: I'd love to see some comparative analysis by Cover1 or JoeB/MattF at The Athletic, but one of the things jumping out at me is what a difference pass rush makes. People can talk about Allen and Brady all they want, but the relentless effectiveness of Tampa's pass rushing was the MVP of the Super Bowl and the lack of it made the AFC Championship game so frustrating. That's where our drafting needs to focus... Just a point about the Buc's front four. They were able to bring relentless pressure with 4 using Shaq Barret a lot off the edge. From the Bucs depth chart. Substitute Rakeem Nunes-Roches (KC 6th round pick back in 2015) for Vea. Suh and Pierre-Paul are 1st round picks on the far side of 30 with their 2nd team. Shaq Barrett, that human wrecking ball we saw in action, was an UDFA. Gholston was a TB 4th round pick back in 2013. Barrett, Suh, Nunes-Roches, and David are all FA. The Bucs have cap space ($28k) but they've got work to do. 1 hour ago, jethro_tull said: not the only difference.... coverage on hill and kelsay was superior to our game..... Yes, but....if the QB doesn't have time to run around and wait for them to get open or to stand in the pocket and move the DBs around with his eyes, it's surprising how much better the coverage looks. Just sayin' 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: That was some of the worst offensive line play I’ve seen in years. It’s hard to imagine that wasn’t the lone story line all week. Those guys couldn’t block anyone! Mahomes didn’t stand a chance and his coaches didn’t have an answer. The KC line was running on backups all season so it sort of passed under the radar, but it turns out losing Eric Fisher late in the 4th Q of the AFC Champ was the "straw" that broke them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Another big difference in the game from my perspective is the officiating of the game when KC was defending. The muggings that KC did to the Bills receivers were let go by the officials in the AFC Championship game. However, in the Super Bowl, the identical plays were being called as PI or holding The only exception to this generalization was the call where the KC guy virtually tackled the Bucs wr from behind just tripping him up. That would have been called in either game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Let’s not forget that both of KC’s starting Tackles were out. They had a backup at RT against Buffalo, then their LT got hurt at the end of the AFC championship. Yet the Bills still couldn’t touch Mahomes in that game Edited February 8, 2021 by Solomon Grundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 hours ago, cage said: I'd love to see some comparative analysis by Cover1 or JoeB/MattF at The Athletic, but one of the things jumping out at me is what a difference pass rush makes. People can talk about Allen and Brady all they want, but the relentless effectiveness of Tampa's pass rushing was the MVP of the Super Bowl and the lack of it made the AFC Championship game so frustrating. That's where our drafting needs to focus... And they didn't blitz much either. They were getting the pressure with just four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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