dbfla10 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Is the 2018 draft the best draft in Bills history, possibly NFL? Beane hit on every single player drafted(Prohl). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 If Allen brings us a Super Bowl. Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I have a hard time believing it's the NFL's best draft ever. Not sure I even agree with the supposition that Beane hit on "every single player". I mean, I like Beane but this analysis seems fantastical with a buggy placed squarely in front of the horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Heavy Kevi said: I have a hard time believing it's the NFL's best draft ever. Not sure I even agree with the supposition that Beane hit on "every single player". I mean, I like Beane but this analysis seems fantastical with a buggy placed squarely in front of the horse. He said “best draft in bills history” oh Edited February 5, 2021 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Other than trading up for Edmunds, Harrison Phillips being on the bubble all year....... big stretch to say EVERY pick. Regardless of how you feel on Edmunds, no he hasnt lived up to his draft selection 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 7 of 8 draft picks are contributors to their respective team. 5 starters, and 1 Special teams stud( at least this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Other than trading up for Edmunds, Harrison Phillips being on the bubble all year....... big stretch to say EVERY pick. Regardless of how you feel on Edmunds, no he hasnt lived up to his draft selection 3 years, 2 pro bowls. Idk. He’s lived up to his draft selection and I’m one of his bigger critics. He’s just frustrating because he’s so talented and should be better imo. he may not live up to the next contract he’s going to receive, but he’s been a good player. Not every 1st round pick has to be first team all pro to live up to their pick. It’s not like he was a top 10 pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 From the sense that we’ve finally landed our franchise QB after 20 odd years? Yes. I still think Josh Allen will deliver us a Championship. I guess you could say it’s one of our best drafts ever for that reason alone. I think Edmunds has been underwhelming as the QB of our defense but I also think that he is 1.) Playing out of position and 2.) Isn’t being allowed to attack and be aggressive the way he should be. If Edmunds were to walk and play in a different scheme and in a different capacity he could be a much better player than he has been. I have a very low opinion of Leslie Frazier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: Is the 2018 draft the best draft in Bills history, possibly NFL? Beane hit on every single player drafted(Prohl). LMAO. You better check out the 1974 Pittsburgh Steelers draft, Junior. In fact, the 2018 draft doesn't hold a candle to the Bills 1985 draft. Edited February 5, 2021 by Beast 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Beast said: LMAO. You better check out the 1974 Pittsburgh Steelers draft, Junior. Plus, IIRC Bruce Smith, Andre Reed, and Frank Reich were in the same draft class 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Plus, IIRC Bruce Smith, Andre Reed, and Frank Reich were in the same draft class Yes, I added that. What a puzzling thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 On paper it looks like one of the best in Bills history. Not the best though, way too early to say that. If Teller had stayed here it would look better to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 You know which draft is under the radar as an "oh so close to legendary" draft? 2012. HOF QB, HOF DB, rock solid left tackle and solid LB. Oh, wait a second, we failed to draft the HOF QB sitting there in the third round on a team desperate for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I have wondered why the Bills traded Teller. He has developed into a blue chip guard with the Browns. Would have been great to have him on the Bills now given the at best average play of our current guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Beast said: In fact, the 2018 draft doesn't hold a candle to the Bills 1985 draft. While 85 certainly provided two HOFers as well as the greatest backup quarterback of all time (just my opinion, Don Strock would argue,) 87 may have had more talent. Conlan, Odomes, and Ballard were all solid starters for 5+ years and made a couple pro bowls. McKellar, Seales and Muellar all started a few years and provided quality depth when not starting. Add in Cornelius Bennett and it rivals any draft class of any team (not sure if it is fair to add in biscuit or not since he came via trade, but he was part of the 87 draft class.) Clearly both draft classes figured heavily in the run to 4 straight super bowls! Edited February 5, 2021 by Steve O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: Other than trading up for Edmunds, Harrison Phillips being on the bubble all year....... big stretch to say EVERY pick. Regardless of how you feel on Edmunds, no he hasnt lived up to his draft selection No, Edmunds very much has. Bills fans pick his game apart, and although I don’t really care about Pro Bowl selections... he’s been chosen for 2 of them in 3 years. So he must be doing something right. The thing us fans get frustrated about is the fact he can get SO MUCH better. He’s also not even 23 yet. Joe Burrow just turned 24. Edited February 5, 2021 by Jay_Fixit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, dbfla10 said: 7 of 8 draft picks are contributors to their respective team. 5 starters, and 1 Special teams stud( at least this year) Wait 3 years. Half of them will be gone. This happen with every draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Really? I mean in the sense it brought us Josh, yes. But hit on every pick? 1 - Josh Allen - massive hit 1 - Tremaine Edmunds - hit 3 - Harrison Phillips - jury is out.... I would have said miss as recently as week 14. Put together a decent little period in December and January. 4 - Taron Johnson - hit 5 - Siran Neal - meh... decent special teamer but year 3 and he has been no more than a spot duty backup on D 5 - Wyatt Teller - hit but for someone else 6 - Ray Ray McCloud - miss 7 - Austin Proehl - nepotism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Really? I mean in the sense it brought us Josh, yes. But hit on every pick? 1 - Josh Allen - massive hit 1 - Tremaine Edmunds - hit 3 - Harrison Phillips - jury is out.... I would have said miss as recently as week 14. Put together a decent little period in December and January. 4 - Taron Johnson - hit 5 - Siran Neal - meh... decent special teamer but year 3 and he has been no more than a spot duty backup on D 5 - Wyatt Teller - hit but for someone else 6 - Ray Ray McCloud - miss 7 - Austin Proehl - nepotism. Posts from 2016: Was the 2014 draft the best Bills draft ever? Everyone is a contributor! 22 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: No, Edmunds very much has. Bills fans pick his game apart, and although I don’t really care about Pro Bowl selections... he’s been chosen for 2 of them in 3 years. So he must be doing something right. The thing us fans get frustrated about is the fact he can get SO MUCH better. He’s also not even 23 yet. Joe Burrow just turned 24. Josh Allen will be 25 at the start of next season. What does that have to do with anything? Are we about to ship him off to the glue factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Really? I mean in the sense it brought us Josh, yes. But hit on every pick? 1 - Josh Allen - massive hit 1 - Tremaine Edmunds - hit 3 - Harrison Phillips - jury is out.... I would have said miss as recently as week 14. Put together a decent little period in December and January. 4 - Taron Johnson - hit 5 - Siran Neal - meh... decent special teamer but year 3 and he has been no more than a spot duty backup on D 5 - Wyatt Teller - hit but for someone else 6 - Ray Ray McCloud - miss 7 - Austin Proehl - nepotism. how is ray ray mcloud a miss? 6rd pick and this yr was one of the best returners in the League. Thats a hit to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: how is ray ray mcloud a miss? 6rd pick and this yr was one of the best returners in the League. Thats a hit to me Well if he backs it up next year with a solid year then I'll be sure to upgrade him. But through two years he had been cut three times. He did have a nice year as a returner in 2020... you need more than 1 year of that for me to consider you a draft hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Posts from 2016: Was the 2014 draft the best Bills draft ever? Everyone is a contributor! Josh Allen will be 25 at the start of next season. What does that have to do with anything? Are we about to ship him off to the glue factory It means he has 2 more years NFL experience and he's a year younger. He's a very young player coming up on his 4th year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It means he has 2 more years NFL experience and he's a year younger. He's a very young player coming up on his 4th year. So, in your opinion, a player with 2 years of college experience starting, and 10 games of NFL experience, who is 24 has less room to grow than a 3 year starter in college and 3 years of NFL years of NFL experience who is about to be 23? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 minute ago, FireChans said: So, in your opinion, a player with 2 years of college experience starting, and 10 games of NFL experience, who is 24 has less room to grow than a 3 year starter in college and 3 years of NFL years of NFL experience who is about to be 23? No that's not what the point was at all. It was just a comparison to show how young Edmunds really is. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: No that's not what the point was at all. It was just a comparison to show how young Edmunds really is. That's it. But does age really matter relative to playing time? If Edmunds was 25, would it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I'm a huge critic of Edmunds but he is a 3 year starter so it's fair to say he is a hit. Is he a star? No. I actually think he is a very poor MLB, but there are other first rounders that wash out of the league in three years or never start. Any draft that brings a HOF talent is far better than 2018 or any draft regardless of the rest of the draftees. Only time will tell on 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Other than trading up for Edmunds, Harrison Phillips being on the bubble all year....... big stretch to say EVERY pick. Regardless of how you feel on Edmunds, no he hasnt lived up to his draft selection trading up for Leonard would have been better, IMO. overall, a very good draft. every pick is currently contributing, here or somewhere else. The headline pick in J. Allen was fantastic. t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Hard to compare drafts from different years. Every year a team has different needs. I think the fairest way would be to simply look at the quantity of players that succeed vs we picked Allen its obviously the best. So along those lines... 2018: Two potential career starters in Allen and Edmunds. 3-5rd is three potential contributors. 6-7 is nothing. Even looking at just 2019 - Oliver, Ford, Singletary and Know are 4 potential long term starters. Maybe not as set in stone as Allen/Edmunds. Plus the Johnsons in 6-7. Bottom line hard to ever say best. But you can say good or bed. The past few years have been good in that we have players that are contributing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Beast said: LMAO. You better check out the 1974 Pittsburgh Steelers draft, Junior. In fact, the 2018 draft doesn't hold a candle to the Bills 1985 draft. Agreed there are plenty of other drafts that were better. Throughout Bills and NFL history. But man, tough to compare modern drafts with those older drafts. The 1985 draft was 12 rounds! Bills had the 1st pick, and 17 total picks! Frank Reich was the first pick of the 3rd round, and he was our 5th player taken! GMs today would kill to have that many chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 56 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Agreed there are plenty of other drafts that were better. Throughout Bills and NFL history. But man, tough to compare modern drafts with those older drafts. The 1985 draft was 12 rounds! Bills had the 1st pick, and 17 total picks! Frank Reich was the first pick of the 3rd round, and he was our 5th player taken! GMs today would kill to have that many chances. The Pittsburgh Steelers drafted 4 Hall of Famers in the first five rounds. GM's today get their pick of anyone they wish after seven rounds. They just have to beat other out to get to their target. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 hours ago, FireChans said: But does age really matter relative to playing time? If Edmunds was 25, would it really matter? I think you’re over complicating this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think you’re over complicating this. You didn’t answer. How is the age relevant in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 8 hours ago, dbfla10 said: Is the 2018 draft the best draft in Bills history, possibly NFL? Beane hit on every single player drafted(Prohl). Yeah two Hall of Famers from the 1985 class may debate this point. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2010/4/20/1428969/the-best-draft-in-bills-history-25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 hours ago, FireChans said: You didn’t answer. How is the age relevant in your opinion? Dude, it was simply a comparison to show he’s young. He wasn’t trying to say Edmunds has more growth potential. Its just he’s young and has room. Its just a statement a 3 year guy is 2 years younger than a 1 year guy.... You massively over complicated his simple statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Dude, it was simply a comparison to show he’s young. He wasn’t trying to say Edmunds has more growth potential. Its just he’s young and has room. Its just a statement a 3 year guy is 2 years younger than a 1 year guy.... You massively over complicated his simple statement. I’m younger than Tom Brady. What does this matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m younger than Tom Brady. What does this matter? Geezus dude... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 8 hours ago, FireChans said: Posts from 2016: Was the 2014 draft the best Bills draft ever? Everyone is a contributor! Well, Ross Cockrell (hidden Whaley gem) may just get a ring on Sunday.. and if he doesn't, Sammy will get another. Not too shabby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, Rico said: Well, Ross Cockrell (hidden Whaley gem) may just get a ring on Sunday.. and if he doesn't, Sammy will get another. Not too shabby! If only "basically a first-rounder" Reggie Ragnuts was still on the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 I was kind of caught off guard (no pun intended) when they traded Teller to the Browns he seemed to be a Bills type player the blue color type and now that all the what to do at guard position is going on it's sad that we had him in the building and traded him but i'm glad he's doing well but boy that would have been a nice player to have on the team going forward !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 2/5/2021 at 5:08 PM, Beast said: The Pittsburgh Steelers drafted 4 Hall of Famers in the first five rounds. GM's today get their pick of anyone they wish after seven rounds. They just have to beat other out to get to their target. Kinda the opposite, really. After the draft, the UDFAs end up in a better situation where they have a say and get to pick where they go. We lost out on a couple of UDFAs just last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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