78thealltimegreat Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Top 4 based on what? The fact he was responsible for 52 touchdowns this year duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The fact he was responsible for 52 touchdowns this year duh Forget it. Anyone dumb enough to talk about how badly he played in 2 of the 3 playoff games isn't worth responding to. Then to say he'd take many QBs over Josh, when all but 3 other QBs failed to even get their teams to the CGs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Forget it. Anyone dumb enough to talk about how badly he played in 2 of the 3 playoff games isn't worth responding to. Then to say he'd take many QBs over Josh, when all but 3 other QBs failed to even get their teams to the CGs... He had no running game, an average tight end, and an average defense put this guy on the Dallas Cowboys they’re are in the Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He had no running game, an average tight end, and an average defense put this guy on the Dallas Cowboys they’re are in the Super Bowl Why you gotta go Dallas Cowboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Rick 'r Mortis said: Why you gotta go Dallas Cowboys? Just pointing out a team that has everything but a qb on offense even when Dak is there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I'll tell ya - in hot take nation, this thread looks a LOT different today. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Success said: Re: the bolded...you seein' a few now? I think he'll come back. But this is how he looks w/ the kind of pressure in his face that Allen had all game against KC. They’re getting killed, and he looks bad for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Allen did have good stats but I don't think he's really a top tier QB. Just don't see him on that same level as those other guys. There's a lot of QB's I'd trade up straight up for Allen. How am I trolling? Allen played like crap in 2 out of 3 playoff games. Am I not allowed to have concerns about that? A lot of QB’s huh? Name 5-7 QB’s you would trade straight up for Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Mahomes was Allen tonight. Running backwards, holding on the ball, constantly being flushed right, running for his life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Mahomes was Allen tonight. Running backwards, holding on the ball, constantly being flushed right, running for his life. He was Brady in the Giants SBs. Pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: If Allen is really that good don't you think the AFC Championship game would've been more competitive? KC's pass defense is only 14th in the league so it's not like they have an exceptional defense. What a ridiculous comment, easily worst of this thread. I guess you missed the part where our receivers were blanketed most the game and how our defense let Kelce and Hill run free the whole game. Somehow you attribute all that to Josh for the game not being closer. I guess them dominating the trenches both sides of the ball is all Allen’s fault too. Ive been following your posts and man, you really don’t know what you are taking about in this thread. You will say anything to just try and discredit Allen. He had a excellent season. He finished 2nd in MVP voting. He set all kinds of records. He did NOT have 2 “terrible” playoff games. Baltimore game the winds were a horrendous problem and made even the greatest FG kicker of all time have a bad game, Lamar had poor stats too. I mean it’s utterly absurd to call Josh game terrible when he led us to a a double digit win in really bad winds affecting the ability to throw for everyone. And against a tough defense. This is why people call you a troll. You provide no logical insight and ignore stats and facts and just keep pushing your narrative. You are crazy if there are many QBs you would trade Josh for. He’s straight up top 5 right now and if there was a redraft of whole league he would certainly be drafted top 5 and likely either 2nd or third overall. Edited February 8, 2021 by Alphadawg7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Well, well, well, how the turn tables... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Mahomes has had some pretty nasty injuries already. Allen is pretty healthy. Today this doesn't sound as crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Mahomes was Allen tonight. Running backwards, holding on the ball, constantly being flushed right, running for his life. The foot may be a contributing factor, but I would have taken Allen over Mahomes tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Yessss Queannns. Like OMG Mahomes is soooo amazing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, NJKBillsfan said: Mahomes Watson Stafford Mayfield Burrow Wilson Murray So you’re just not real familiar with football 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, NJKBillsfan said: Mahomes Watson Stafford Mayfield Burrow Wilson Murray Did you watch this past NFL season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just wanted to point out that, while I still think Mahomes is better than Allen at this point, the Super Bowl showed that the gap may not be as big as some would think. Without protection or wide open receivers tonight, Mahomes looked an awful lot like Josh did in the AFCCG. Mahomes IS mortal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: What a ridiculous comment, easily worst of this thread. I guess you missed the part where our receivers were blanketed most the game and how our defense let Kelce and Hill run free the whole game. Somehow you attribute all that to Josh for the game not being closer. I guess them dominating the trenches both sides of the ball is all Allen’s fault too. Ive been following your posts and man, you really don’t know what you are taking about in this thread. You will say anything to just try and discredit Allen. He had a excellent season. He finished 2nd in MVP voting. He set all kinds of records. He did NOT have 2 “terrible” playoff games. Baltimore game the winds were a horrendous problem and made even the greatest FG kicker of all time have a bad game, Lamar had poor stats too. I mean it’s utterly absurd to call Josh game terrible when he led us to a a double digit win in really bad winds affecting the ability to throw for everyone. And against a tough defense. This is why people call you a troll. You provide no logical insight and ignore stats and facts and just keep pushing your narrative. You are crazy if there are many QBs you would trade Josh for. He’s straight up top 5 right now and if there was a redraft of whole league he would certainly be drafted top 5 and likely either 2nd or third overall. If you’ve ever seen this guy post he’s not even a bills fan he more just comes on here to troll bills fans so take what he says with a grain of salt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: Mahomes Watson Stafford Mayfield Burrow Wilson Murray You are aware everyone of those teams not named the Chiefs would trade their QB for Allen straight up right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: We have absolutely no way of knowing that. Take those teams individually and tell me which one wouldn’t trade Josh Allen straight up for their current QB? The Rams gave up two ones for Matthew Stafford who hasn’t won a playoff game in 12 years and he was only throwing to some guy named Calvin Johnson for 7 of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: Mahomes Watson Stafford Mayfield Burrow Wilson Murray Bro, that list is insane (and not in a good way). I wouldn’t trade Allen for any of those players, not even Mahomes. Edited February 8, 2021 by BillsFan619 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: You are aware everyone of those teams not named the Chiefs would trade their QB for Allen straight up right? imagine Allen on the Titans. With King Henry , they'd be unstoppable. We need a run game and we're getting some Lombardis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said: Bro, that list is insane (and not in a good way). I wouldn’t trade Allen for any of those players, not even Mahomes. Josh allen had more mvp votes than anyone not named Aaron rodgers lol anybody blaming allen for our struggles would be like blaming mahomes for the chiefs loss tonight Edited February 8, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Josh allen had more mvp votes than anyone not named Aaron rodgers lol anybody blaming allem for our struggles would be like blaming mahomes for the chiefs loss tonight Great thoughts, bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, NJKBillsfan said: You're crazy! Bro, he came in 2nd for MVP (even beating out the “coveted” Mahomes) and he carried the team for most of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: You're crazy! I honestly wouldn't either im not saying josh is better but he didn't get a year to sit and watch a seasoned veteran do the job and then dropped into a stacked lineup. Josh has really battled through adversity and has proven himself committed to improving any way he can to help his team win games. Thats a pretty rare trait that mahomes certainly may have too he has just never really had to show it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Just pointing out a team that has everything but a qb on offense even when Dak is there The problem in Dallas is not Dak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Mahomes Watson Stafford Mayfield Burrow Wilson Murray So you just don’t know QB’s huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 different qbs do different things well, and it's a team and scheme game, not tennis. looking at mahomes last night, it's pretty clear to me that given goofy matchups and breakdowns on the line, no body but no body can do what allen does. i forgot until he caught a ball that watkins was on kc. he's overpaid and we all know about him, but just a threat like that on the bills, playing in place of an injured brown vs kc, would have made a whole lot of things possible. the bottom line is QBs, while the most important person on a team, are still way way overrated wrt their impact on the game. the big uglies get paid for a very good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Allen < Mahomes with adequate pass protection. Allen > Mahomes with bad pass protection Allen has no all-pro TE, elite speed WR, and no running game. Imagine. Browns & Bucs with better D performances pressuring & containing KC leading to 22 & 9 points. If Josh Allen was KCs QB last night they at least would have had a punchers chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 So much fun to come back and revisit threads like this after ALL the results are in. Mahomes was freaking AMAZING last night — cool as a cucumber, making play after play when needed — oh wait, that was Brady. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 That list tells you all you need to know. So many good playoff performances there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 8 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Mahomes Watson Stafford Mayfield Burrow Wilson Murray Bahahahahahahaha. You win. The award for most ridiculous reply of the off season. Yes I know the off-season still has like 7 more months left, but no way someone tops the absurdity of this reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 16 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: If Allen is really that good don't you think the AFC Championship game would've been more competitive? KC's pass defense is only 14th in the league so it's not like they have an exceptional defense. Is Mahomes really that good? Tampa's pass defense was 20th against the pass so it's not like they have an exceptional defense.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 9 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Mahomes Watson Stafford Mayfield Burrow Wilson Murray get the heck out of these forums troll. 8 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: We have absolutely no way of knowing that. I know your trolling... I think we all know that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 9 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Mahomes Watson Not even close Stafford A never been near tallent of Josh Mayfield does not have josh's arms or legs Burrow lol lack of tlaent period Wilson Age difference not nearly as good as young Josh right now. Murray That team is well built and still no.. Murray is being measured to see if he's as good as Josh not better go away foo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The problem in Dallas is not Dak Oh they have a certain owner who has refused to believe he needs a safety and defensive tackle now for about 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Is Mahomes really that good? Tampa's pass defense was 20th against the pass so it's not like they have an exceptional defense.... TB's defense is great. They were second in defensive DVOA last season and 5th this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: TB's defense is great. They were second in defensive DVOA last season and 5th this year. I was mocking him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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