YoloinOhio Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I found this interesting. Has his experience on these teams led to his philosophy? 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 The three remaining QBs in the playoffs are arguably the two best of all time, and arguably the best QB in the NFL right now. And all have strong run games. It's going to be a huge disadvantage unfortunately. Makes a huge difference in how defenses play us, they've been selling out to stop the pass. The Colts basically played us how we played the Chiefs earlier in the year. And Josh still went for 300+ and 3 TDs. What he's done this year with 0 run game is unbelievable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Process said: The three remaining QBs in the playoffs are arguably the two best of all time, and arguably the best QB in the NFL right now. And all have strong run games. It's going to be a huge disadvantage unfortunately. Makes a huge difference in how defenses play us, they've been selling out to stop the pass. The Colts basically played us how we played the Chiefs earlier in the year. And Josh still went for 300+ and 3 TDs. What he's done this year with 0 run game is unbelievable. I definitely see it as a disadvantage. I just wonder if Daboll has a philosophy rooted in being part of those teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patzen Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 The tweet isn't 100 percent accurate. While the 2015 Patriots did win a playoff game with under 40 rushing yards they didn't win the Super Bowl. I also checked to see if they meant the 2016 Patriots who did win the Super Bowl, but that team had over 40 rushing yards in all their playoff games that season. So two of the three teams who have won that way in the playoffs have won the Super Bowl. But as to your question, I would just assume that he realizes that passing is a more effective and efficient way to win in today's NFL and it is entirely possible that his experience with New England influenced him. And playing to your strengths has always been a Belichick philosophy as well, so I would assume that's part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I’m assuming Daboll didn’t run Josh against Baltimore like he did against Colts because Ravens are a more violent defense and he didn’t want to expose Josh to hits. Short of a Timmy Smith coming out of nowhere, it’s gonna have to be Josh doing it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I definitely see it as a disadvantage. I just wonder if Daboll has a philosophy rooted in being part of those teams I wonder a little why the Bills don't just run plays in the run game that seem to at least work somewhat well... The shotgun handoffs don't but the straight handoffs from under center where the back runs off tackle or on the edges seem to do pretty well...a lot of times those runs will gain 6 or 7 yards or sometimes even go for 12 or 15 and a first down. Why they don't at least try a few more of those types of runs I don't really get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Short of a Timmy Smith coming out of nowhere, it’s gonna have to be Josh doing it all. Antonio Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 The biggest killer is end of games with the lead. Can't rely on run game to burn clock and get a first down or two on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 We all know the real question on everyone’s mind about the running game: Is Christian Wade eligible to play? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: The biggest killer is end of games with the lead. Can't rely on run game to burn clock and get a first down or two on the ground. They have done exactly this during this current year. Moss killed it. Can’t recall which game off the top of my head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I definitely see it as a disadvantage. I just wonder if Daboll has a philosophy rooted in being part of those teams I think so, since he has seen it work successfully. Plus he's not afraid to go with the best matchup it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 minute ago, TroutDog said: They have done exactly this during this current year. Moss killed it. Can’t recall which game off the top of my head. They have? LOL maybe in the Denver game because the Broncos suck at stopping the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, TroutDog said: They have done exactly this during this current year. Moss killed it. Can’t recall which game off the top of my head. OK. I'll give you 1 game (out of 18). Maybe things would be different with Moss still in there, but Saturday vs Ravens was a prime example. If any time warranted running effectively, it was their last 2 possessions, especially the first series below. First series below lasted 1:01, second 0:41. 1 & 10 - BUF 29 (6:36 - 4th) J.Allen pass incomplete deep right. Thrown away.-1 YD 2 & 10 - BUF 29 (6:28 - 4th) D.Singletary up the middle to BAL 30 for -1 yards (L.Fort J.Madubuike).+4 YD 3 & 11 - BUF 30 (5:42 - 4th) J.Allen pass short left to J.Brown to BAL 26 for 4 yards (A.Averett).No Good 4 & 7 - BUF 26 (5:35 - 4th) T.Bass 44 yard field goal is No Good Wide Left Center-R.Ferguson Holder-C.Bojorquez 1 & 10 - BUF 10 (2:41 - 4th) D.Singletary left guard to BUF 10 for no gain (M.Judon).+3 YD 2 & 10 - BUF 10 (2:36 - 4th) T.Yeldon left tackle to BUF 13 for 3 yards (B.Williams).Penalty 3 & 7 - BUF 13 (2:30 - 4th) PENALTY on BAL-C.Campbell Neutral Zone Infraction 5 yards enforced at BUF 13 - No Play.+1 YD 3 & 2 - BUF 18 (2:30 - 4th) T.Yeldon left tackle to BUF 19 for 1 yard (M.Judon; B.Williams).Punt 4 & 1 - BUF 19 (2:00 - 4th) C.Bojorquez punts 53 yards to BAL 28 Center-R.Ferguson. D.Duvernay pushed ob at BAL 33 for 5 yards (A.Klein). PENALTY on BAL-M.Harrison Running Into the Kicker 5 yards enforced at BUF 19 - No Play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I found this interesting. Has his experience on these teams led to his philosophy? You beautiful S*B! Honestly, the stuff you come up with around the net to make us feel better is a treasure. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I definitely see it as a disadvantage. I just wonder if Daboll has a philosophy rooted in being part of those teams you have to keep them guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I just want the W. Weather is looking tough in KC next Sunday. Will probably keep the scoring down, putting a greater emphasis on turnovers & short yardage running/passing. I don’t care if we run 40 times for 300 v KC. I don’t care if we win 2-0. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillies said: The biggest killer is end of games with the lead. Can't rely on run game to burn clock and get a first down or two on the ground. True and the one example I can think of us doing this effectively was with Moss making nice cut after cut in the 4th against the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 We’ve been successful using WR short and bubble screens and RPO Josh—-a “poor man’s” run game. Some of these 2 yd passes have been spectacular pseudo run. In red zone these have been very effective (brown earlier games and then Diggs vs ravens) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: They have done exactly this during this current year. Moss killed it. Can’t recall which game off the top of my head. Steelers game. Ran over 7 minutes off the clock. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, NickelCity said: Steelers game. Ran over 7 minutes off the clock. True, we ran off the final 7+ minutes, but there was a key third and long completion to Knox to keep possession and then allow Moss and Allen to run out the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Not having a healthy Beasley is messing Daboll's gameplan up right now. We've been using him all year in short yardage passing game that mimics a running game by moving the chains and chewing up clock. Much like the Pats* use to do when they had Welker and then Edelman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 its a game of mismatches. Maybe im giving Daboll too much credit - same as McDermott - but they knew they couldnt cover our air attack - soooooo WOW, rocket science, you go through the air!!!!!! But hey what do I know. I guess in order to be an "effective" team you have to run the ball - BUT we are a hail mary away from 12 game win streak - i think they know what they are doing. Dont fix something that isnt broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, NickelCity said: Steelers game. Ran over 7 minutes off the clock. Yeah it is kind of rare. I did read somewhere that our O-line as a group graded above average in pass-pro, but well below average in run blocking. We have more finese type linemen other than perhaps Mongo. They have been able to nullify some of the league's premier pass rushers. I think when we add someone like TE Smith to the lineup we run better but we do give up some pass options. Edited January 18, 2021 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, Drew21PA said: its a game of mismatches. Maybe im giving Daboll too much credit - same as McDermott - but they knew they couldnt cover our air attack - soooooo WOW, rocket science, you go through the air!!!!!! But hey what do I know. I guess in order to be an "effective" team you have to run the ball - BUT we are a hail mary away from 12 game win streak - i think they know what they are doing. Dont fix something that isnt broken. They COULD cover our air attack though. Probably matched up better than just about any team with their 3 corners. Then you factor in the wind. I mean 2 rushes in the 1st half is absurd (I’m not criticizing just fascinated) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just saying Fournette ran angry for the Buccs against the Saints. Would love a bigger back on the roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: I’m assuming Daboll didn’t run Josh against Baltimore like he did against Colts because Ravens are a more violent defense and he didn’t want to expose Josh to hits. Short of a Timmy Smith coming out of nowhere, it’s gonna have to be Josh doing it all. I think it had more to do with exposing Josh to a defense that is the best at stripping the ball and that is Josh’s biggest weakness 49 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Not having a healthy Beasley is messing Daboll's gameplan up right now. We've been using him all year in short yardage passing game that mimics a running game by moving the chains and chewing up clock. Much like the Pats* use to do when they had Welker and then Edelman. I agree Beasley and his ability to be open is *****in up Allen. I am wondering why we signed stills for the playoffs and aren’t running 5 wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Sort of interesting how when teams put together long TD drives with only running plays, the reaction is often "Wow, they really rammed it down their throats and the other team couldn't stop them. They should do this all day." ...but if a team puts together long TD drives with only passes, the reaction is often "Wow, are they ever going to run the ball? They can't do this all day..." Or is that a straw man and I'm making that up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 It is a passing league in a lot of ways. The screen and short passing game can help replace a ground game. I do think that Daboll nearly cost this team the game not running when the wind was clearly a huge detriment to the passing game. But I am not surprised to see Daboll at the helm of a successful unbalanced passing attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 hours ago, TroutDog said: They have done exactly this during this current year. Moss killed it. Can’t recall which game off the top of my head. Pittsburgh. And to a lesser degree Denver even tho they were up big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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