Buffalo03 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Since the Ravens became a team in 1996, we have only played them 9 times with a 3-6 record against them and have only played them 3 times total in Buffalo (2007, 2013,2019). I didn't realize how rare the Bills vs Ravens rivalry is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Not sure how this is weird. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 This means we played them when the divisions played each other, 6 times over the 24 years and then another 3 times. The three other times are when the Ravens and Bills finished in the same position in their division. I believe that is how it goes. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Baltimore has won 2 Super Bowls in 24 years. They don’t need another one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: This means we played them when the divisions played each other, 6 times over the 24 years and then another 3 times. The three other times are when the Ravens and Bills finished in the same position in their division. I believe that is how it goes. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Baltimore has won 2 Super Bowls in 24 years. They don’t need another one. Baltimore has also been a super successful team in general outside of their two SB wins, since 2000 the team has made the playoffs 13 times and in the 8 seasons they have missed the playoffs they only had sub .500 records 4 of those seasons. The Bills franchise is far more starved for winning. Edited January 14, 2021 by billsfan89 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Bills will get the dub. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 OP, 1975 corrected you’re post. We play the other AFC divisions every three years and every 6 at home which is what we assume you are referring to and that is not abnormal. That is how the NFL works. The other years, it depends on where you finish the year before. this has been the case forever. Not you, but am baffled I continue to hear this fro people who say “why this Ir that”. There is nothing mysterious about it. Just like we play every NFC division every 4 years, and at home every 8 years. I hope that helps, but nothing fluky or mysterious about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 The rarest of rivalries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1962 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Am I mistaken or weren't the Ravens the former Cleveland Browns? I thought the Browns moved and became the Ravens, then a few years later someone else formed the new Browns. My memory is poor so I might be wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Michael1962 said: Am I mistaken or weren't the Ravens the former Cleveland Browns? I thought the Browns moved and became the Ravens, then a few years later someone else formed the new Browns. My memory is poor so I might be wrong. This is correct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yep. One of the better organizations in the sport. They are up there with the Colts, Chiefs and Steelers as being the second best team in the AFC since 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: OP, 1975 corrected you’re post. We play the other AFC divisions every three years and every 6 at home which is what we assume you are referring to and that is not abnormal. That is how the NFL works. The other years, it depends on where you finish the year before. this has been the case forever. Not you, but am baffled I continue to hear this fro people who say “why this Ir that”. There is nothing mysterious about it. Just like we play every NFC division every 4 years, and at home every 8 years. I hope that helps, but nothing fluky or mysterious about it. The Panthers came into the league a year earlier in 1995 and the Bills have played them 7 times and they are an NFC team. The fact that the we have only played the Ravens 2 extra times is weird considering we are in the same conference. In fact up until 2017 we actually played the Panthers more than the Ravens. Kinda crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 35 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: This means we played them when the divisions played each other, 6 times over the 24 years and then another 3 times. The three other times are when the Ravens and Bills finished in the same position in their division. I believe that is how it goes. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Baltimore has won 2 Super Bowls in 24 years. They don’t need another one. Believe it would be every 3 years as the other 3 AFC divisions rotate yearly. We play the 4th, AFC East every year. So 8 and once when we finished in same spot in respective divisions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: The Panthers came into the league a year earlier in 1995 and the Bills have played them 7 times and they are an NFC team. The fact that the we have only played the Ravens 2 extra times is weird considering we are in the same conference. In fact up until 2017 we actually played the Panthers more than the Ravens. Kinda crazy It's not weird when you consider how mediocre or bad the Bills have been through that stretch. The Ravens are usually pretty good. So we haven't had the same divisional rank as them as often. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 They were winning divisions while the Bills were not. So they would not line up to schedule unless playing the whole division during the normal rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1962 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said: This is correct So if we are looking at our history with the Ravens then we probably should include our history with the Browns (pre-1996)? Obviously this makes things more complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I'm so old I consider the Ravens a new franchise. The true Baltimore team is the Colts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: Since the Ravens became a team in 1996, we have only played them 9 times with a 3-6 record against them and have only played them 3 times total in Buffalo (2007, 2013,2019). I didn't realize how rare the Bills vs Ravens rivalry is The only thing you need to know is that Buffalo is on a 3-game losing streak to Baltimore and McDermott is on a personal 2-game losing streak vs the Ravens and Harbaugh (including the embarrassing Peterman opener in Josh's rookie season). I like that angle. McD is always good when he has a little revenge factor to work with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Michael1962 said: Am I mistaken or weren't the Ravens the former Cleveland Browns? I thought the Browns moved and became the Ravens, then a few years later someone else formed the new Browns. My memory is poor so I might be wrong. You are correct sir! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Don't tell anyone but Bills win BIG this week!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 So rare it's not much of a rivalry. Browns might be the bigger rival. They sucked when the Bills sucked and now they are getting good and have a young up and coming franchise QB at the same time as the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Since the Ravens became a team in 1996, we have only played them 9 times with a 3-6 record against them and have only played them 3 times total in Buffalo (2007, 2013,2019). I didn't realize how rare the Bills vs Ravens rivalry is they played 2019, 2016, 2013, 2010, 2007, 2004 under the current schedule rotating divisional format. 3H and 3R. Because of unbalanced divisions when Cleveland came back there wasn’t many games against st that division from 1996-2001. Opponent were based on last years standings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, djp14150 said: they played 2019, 2016, 2013, 2010, 2007, 2004 under the current schedule rotating divisional format. 3H and 3R. Because of unbalanced divisions when Cleveland came back there wasn’t many games against st that division from 1996-2001. Opponent were based on last years standings It was 1999, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2018, 2019 Since 1996, Only 3 of those games have been in Buffalo. That's wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Michael1962 said: Am I mistaken or weren't the Ravens the former Cleveland Browns? I thought the Browns moved and became the Ravens, then a few years later someone else formed the new Browns. My memory is poor so I might be wrong. So you're saying we might need to play the browns twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Michael1962 said: Am I mistaken or weren't the Ravens the former Cleveland Browns? I thought the Browns moved and became the Ravens, then a few years later someone else formed the new Browns. My memory is poor so I might be wrong. Michael, that is correct. Art Modell (the owner who championed MNF and several other league advancements as well as championed more African Americans drafted in the 50’s and 60’s before it became common, ie. Jim Brown and others) tried negotiating with Ohio and Cleveland for a new stadium as the old one was falling apart. The city and state continued to stall, and Baltimore ponied up. Baltimore if you remember had the Colts there forever until they moved out in. The middle of the night in 1984. MD was willing to pay a substantial amt. of $ for the new stadium. Modell supposedly warned Ohio he would have to move if they didn’t find the $. The Ravens came to fruition in 1996 (when Ray Lewis was drafted). Incidentally, I knew people from Cleveland would probably not be happy about the whole situation, but when I went there fir a couple of business trips, I heard first hand the vitriol for Modell. It’s understandable if we lost our Bills. There is a lot more, but it was a crazy time during the 80’s and 90’s with teams moving, expansion,etc. it’s understandable especially if you’re younger (just a guess, but could be wrong) to not have all the movement down. The historians probably could do a better job then me if this is a serious inquiry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loedward22 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, billsfan89 said: They are up there with the Colts, Chiefs and Steelers as being the second best team in the AFC since 2000. seems to be an odd omission from this group... nevermind, re-read it... "second best team". Edited January 14, 2021 by loedward22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 The only play that sticks out in my head between these teams is Flutie to Linton in the final two minutes in a defensive struggle. That's about it. I've never liked the Ravens. Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders, Ray Rice, Terrence Cody, Jamal Lewis, Bam Morris, ugly colors, and an obsession with sea food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 10 hours ago, TroutDog said: Not sure how this is weird. Maybe the post is click bait? Weird in a title always makes me suspicious. And I still have the toenail fungus. 😠 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Doc, funny you say that as I’ve always respected Harbaugh, and a team that came out strong since the beginning. Incidentally, I forgot Deion was there. I just get sick of the melodrama with Ray Lewis. He was positive the other day about the Bills on Inside the NFL, but he is over the top. It’s like he is still trying to overcompensate for that mess in Atlanta over 20 years ago. After watching the show, I was even more emboldened how much I hope we bury them Saturday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 JA Bills lost 1 game to LJ on a blown coverage play that resulted in a TD by the Cravens. 24-17 was the final score last year. Prior to that we never had a Franchise QB in the Ravens history. Bledsoe in 2004 also lost to them in Baltimore. Sugar High Josh Allen is all but gone and now we have Diggs. The Cravens say they will still Blitz Josh and as we see in the stats Josh has been good against the blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Michael, that is correct. Art Modell (the owner who championed MNF and several other league advancements as well as championed more African Americans drafted in the 50’s and 60’s before it became common, ie. Jim Brown and others) tried negotiating with Ohio and Cleveland for a new stadium as the old one was falling apart. The city and state continued to stall, and Baltimore ponied up. Baltimore if you remember had the Colts there forever until they moved out in. The middle of the night in 1984. MD was willing to pay a substantial amt. of $ for the new stadium. Modell supposedly warned Ohio he would have to move if they didn’t find the $. The Ravens came to fruition in 1996 (when Ray Lewis was drafted). Incidentally, I knew people from Cleveland would probably not be happy about the whole situation, but when I went there fir a couple of business trips, I heard first hand the vitriol for Modell. It’s understandable if we lost our Bills. There is a lot more, but it was a crazy time during the 80’s and 90’s with teams moving, expansion,etc. it’s understandable especially if you’re younger (just a guess, but could be wrong) to not have all the movement down. The historians probably could do a better job then me if this is a serious inquiry. I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that Modell had a ton of debts he owed to the city of Cleveland and part of him leaving was to dodge all of that. And that was on top of the whole stadium thing. Plus the city of Cleveland wanted him to stay in the old stadium until at the lease expired. I think the lease went until the 1998 season or something like that. The whole thing was crazy and what Modell did was messed up. I know the City of Cleveland hates him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 12 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Michael, that is correct. Art Modell (the owner who championed MNF and several other league advancements as well as championed more African Americans drafted in the 50’s and 60’s before it became common, ie. Jim Brown and others) tried negotiating with Ohio and Cleveland for a new stadium as the old one was falling apart. The city and state continued to stall, and Baltimore ponied up. Baltimore if you remember had the Colts there forever until they moved out in. The middle of the night in 1984. MD was willing to pay a substantial amt. of $ for the new stadium. Modell supposedly warned Ohio he would have to move if they didn’t find the $. The Ravens came to fruition in 1996 (when Ray Lewis was drafted). Incidentally, I knew people from Cleveland would probably not be happy about the whole situation, but when I went there fir a couple of business trips, I heard first hand the vitriol for Modell. It’s understandable if we lost our Bills. There is a lot more, but it was a crazy time during the 80’s and 90’s with teams moving, expansion,etc. it’s understandable especially if you’re younger (just a guess, but could be wrong) to not have all the movement down. The historians probably could do a better job then me if this is a serious inquiry. This is true, but there is another wrinkle. Part of the deal allowing Modell to move the team was that he had cut all connections between his franchise and the historical Cleveland Browns, since the NFL promised Cleveland they would get a franchise back eventually. So the Ravens are officially a team whose history only begins in 1996—check out their historical record, individual and team records, etc. The current Browns (reborn in 1999) have inherited all of Cleveland's history. This is different from other franchises that have moved--the Titans, for example, are officially a continuation of the Oilers, just as the Vegas Raiders are part of a continuity that runs back to Oakland, then LA, then Oakland. Also, Art Modell is responsible for Jim Brown retiring at 29 in 1966 because Modell wouldn't let him finish filming the Dirty Dozen and told him either to show up on time for training camp or not to show up at all. Brown told him to jump in the lake. So, fork Art Modell every which way with a red hot poker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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