ngbills Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) For the sake of having another topic to discuss...Assume Daboll and Frazier both get new jobs. Who are top candidates for OC and DC? Initial ideas? OC Dorsey - Internal Hall - Internal Shula - McD connection Pederson - McD connection McCoy Gailey DC E Washington - Internal Babich - Internal Butler - Internal Wilks - McD connection Patricia W Phillips G Edwards D Quinn Capers Edited January 11, 2021 by ngbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ngbills said: For the sake of having another topic to discuss...Assume Daboll and Frazier both get new jobs. Who are top candidates for OC and DC? Initial ideas? OC Dorsey - Internal Hall - Internal Shula - McD connection Pederson - McD connection McCoy Gailey DC E Washington - Internal Babich - Internal Butler - Internal Wilks - McD connection Patricia W Phillips G Edwards D Quinn Capers I don’t see McDermott take on a wade or Patricia type. The scheme is more his than Frazier’s, and I don’t think he’d want to mess too much with it... Wilks is a good call. Also former DB. Sean likes his DBs... Edited January 11, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Dorsey. He’s earned a shot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 If Daboll goes I hope they hire from within for continuity and scheme purposes or hire a guy that uses the same type of system Daboll uses. Obviously tht system fits our QB and team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Seems highly unlikely that we hire guys that run a 3-4 scheme. Also seems highly unlikely that Frazier leaves or is fired. As far as OC, a name that crossed my mind recently is Bill O’Brien. He knows our offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Seems highly unlikely that we hire guys that run a 3-4 scheme. Also seems highly unlikely that Frazier leaves or is fired. As far as OC, a name that crossed my mind recently is Bill O’Brien. He knows our offense. Good call on O'Brien. Could see him being looked at as OC or possibly in a consultant role if they give the OC job to Dorsey/Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Seems highly unlikely that we hire guys that run a 3-4 scheme. Also seems highly unlikely that Frazier leaves or is fired. As far as OC, a name that crossed my mind recently is Bill O’Brien. He knows our offense. I can't imagine BoB taking a coordinator job unless it's with the Pats. I think he'd go college HC first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Ken Dorsey for when Daboll leaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Getting a different OC and adjusting scheme might actually be good for joshs growth... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I don’t see McDermott take on a wade or Patricia type. The scheme is more his than Frazier’s, and I don’t think he’d want to mess too much with it... Babich is the internal guy with the most experience. I also would be shocked at a Wade or Patricia type, but on the other hand Frazier was a guy with HC and DC experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I don’t see McDermott take on a wade or Patricia type. The scheme is more his than Frazier’s, and I don’t think he’d want to mess too much with it... Agreed, he'd groom someone. 14 minutes ago, ngbills said: For the sake of having another topic to discuss...Assume Daboll and Frazier both get new jobs. Who are top candidates for OC and DC? Initial ideas? OC Dorsey - Internal Hall - Internal Shula - McD connection Pederson - McD connection McCoy Gailey DC E Washington - Internal Babich - Internal Butler - Internal Wilks - McD connection Patricia W Phillips G Edwards D Quinn Capers I think Patricia would likely be a pick for daboll - but i suppose i'm not familiar with their relationship. I don't think buffalo would be a destination for gailey - and hopefully not McCoy, hes terrible. I do think there's a chance its dorsey though. For all the "hes never called plays", he's been a QB coach for like 9 years of his career. Typically the next step up after QB coach is coordinator. Worked 2 years under daboll - and like 6 under shula. 6 minutes ago, ngbills said: Good call on O'Brien. Could see him being looked at as OC or possibly in a consultant role if they give the OC job to Dorsey/Hall. I think he may need to go to college to erase some of the stink on his name. Edited January 11, 2021 by dneveu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Seems highly unlikely that we hire guys that run a 3-4 scheme. Also seems highly unlikely that Frazier leaves or is fired. As far as OC, a name that crossed my mind recently is Bill O’Brien. He knows our offense. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://media.giphy.com/media/2oUfvvUgQHnLsQWFMW/giphy.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Your "NO" is better than my "NO"! But seriously - I want no part of Bill O'Brien anywhere near our building. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuscott16 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I'm a big fan of hiring former coaches as coordinators if possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 37 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Seems highly unlikely that we hire guys that run a 3-4 scheme. Also seems highly unlikely that Frazier leaves or is fired. As far as OC, a name that crossed my mind recently is Bill O’Brien. He knows our offense. Totally agree with your first paragraph, but no way would I want BOB here. He’s a mercenary who has angled for more power and money at every stop. He reminds me of coaches like Butch Davis and Doug Marrone. He’s the opposite of what the new Bills culture is about. It shouldn’t be a problem anyway because he’s still getting paid large by Houston and isn’t likely to take an OC job for free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Are we firing Fraiser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 40 minutes ago, ngbills said: Babich is the internal guy with the most experience. I also would be shocked at a Wade or Patricia type, but on the other hand Frazier was a guy with HC and DC experience. Difference is Frazier worked with Sean under the late great Jim Johnson. He knew this scheme. If Sean brings a DC in from outside it would likely be someone else who knows the scheme. It won't be a DC who is coming here to run their own system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I can't imagine BoB taking a coordinator job unless it's with the Pats. I think he'd go college HC first. I think there might still be a sour taste in peoples’ mouths when it comes to giving him control over an entire roster. No need to worry about that here. You could be right though Edited January 11, 2021 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 This kind of Bills deep thinking and every Bills personnel decision I don't fret about. That is the joy of finally having a GM and coach who make good on their decisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, TBBills said: Are we firing Fraiser? Interviewing in HOU and DET; Likely more to come calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, ngbills said: Interviewing in HOU and DET; Likely more to come calling. Yea well there is a reason for that... It's not for him to be HC sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: This kind of Bills deep thinking and every Bills personnel decision I don't fret about. That is the joy of finally having a GM and coach who make good on their decisions. I tend to agree; But still it is hard to forget Rick Dennison and Nathan Peterman. Daboll goes I do have concern at what direction they go. Much less concern on the D side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Frazier's not leaving, though I guess it might be fun to discuss what would happen if he did leave. Unless you are implying the team moves on from him. Don't see that happening either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: Yea well there is a reason for that... It's not for him to be HC sadly. Well Houston has already talked with Lewis, Caldwell, and Crennel. So think there is more to it. Lions have talked to Bowles... 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Frazier's not leaving, though I guess it might be fun to discuss what would happen if he did leave. Unless you are implying the team moves on from him. Don't see that happening either. Would not be shocked to see Houston hire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Guaranteed it will be from within. It will only people that have entered the circle of trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 We need to keep Dorsey and Hall Would LOVE to have Wade Phillips back.....but isnt he a 3/4 guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, John from Riverside said: We need to keep Dorsey and Hall Would LOVE to have Wade Phillips back.....but isnt he a 3/4 guy? Who knows what this front 7 looks like next year. Maybe we are better suited for a 3-4 anyway. Not sure how McD would feel about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, ngbills said: Who knows what this front 7 looks like next year. Maybe we are better suited for a 3-4 anyway. Not sure how McD would feel about that. You need a quality true nose for a 3-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, ngbills said: I tend to agree; But still it is hard to forget Rick Dennison and Nathan Peterman. Daboll goes I do have concern at what direction they go. Much less concern on the D side of things. So, not a process truster? I became one this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Offense could be anyone. They reached into the NCAA for Daboll. They clearly, and rightly, want a creative coach who wants to be multiple. Defense might be a little easier to pin down presuming they aren't looking to change the focus of the defense too much. These will be critical hires for McDermotts career. The tree for him to pick from is pretty bare. It's time for him to build his own tree. Doug Peterson just got fired because he couldn't replace John DiFillipo and Frank Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 For offense I have 2 candidates so far. Doug Pederson - very innovative offensive dude. Totally masterminded and out coached Bill Bellyache. Anthony Lynn - Number 9 offense in the league with a rookie QB. Coach Lynn also had a top 10 offensive with Hotrod at the controls. Due can coach offense. Get me somebody with experience succeeding. Not too worried about the "system" because I believe Josh and Diggs and Brown and Beasley and Singletary/Moss could run any well conceived/coached offense with great results. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: For offense I have 2 candidates so far. Doug Pederson - very innovative offensive dude. Totally masterminded and out coached Bill Bellyache. Anthony Lynn - Number 9 offense in the league with a rookie QB. Coach Lynn also had a top 10 offensive with Hotrod at the controls. Dude can coach offense. Get me somebody with experience succeeding. Not too worried about the "system" because I believe Josh and Diggs and Brown and Beasley and Singletary/Moss could run any well conceived/coached offense with great results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, ngbills said: Babich is the internal guy with the most experience. I also would be shocked at a Wade or Patricia type, but on the other hand Frazier was a guy with HC and DC experience. I think when Frazier was brought in that experience was something McD wanted and really needed to be able to lean on. Now is nice to have, but not needed anywhere as much. If they do go outside considering a number of the position coaches have been here multiple years, if you don't promote from within, run the risk of losing some of these guys as will feel no future here for them. Having said all that, really don't think Frazier is going anywhere. Most hires these days, they all want offensive creativity, the defense is good, but not great, and much of the defensive credit will go to McD anyway. I think for a defensive coordinator to get a HC job, their defense has to be lights out and on a staff where the HC comes from the offensive side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotme365 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Dorsey is the smart move. For Josh to continue to develop it would be smart to keep the same system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Dorsey or Chad Hall. Consistency is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 For Offense: I dont want Gailey or Pederson. I dont want somebody who hopes to be here for a year or two, tops. For Defense: Gimme Patricia. He has a LOT of work to do to re-establish himself. The issue is whether he is good a D in his own right, or whether he was just good at running things that BB told him to do. He doesnt seem to be a good leader of grown men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, I am the egg man said: So, not a process truster? I became one this season. No I sure am. But nobody is perfect...a bad OC hire would suck. I trust them to try and find the right guy, though. Just could not work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I believe Wrecks Ryan is available. NOOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Doug Pederson - very innovative offensive dude. Totally masterminded and out coached Bill Bellyache. Cough cough...(Reich was that mastermind).. cough cough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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