Big Turk Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) This was the play where Wallace almost got a pick 6...Big Ben was looking for Claypool but White pancaked him at the LOS and put him on his @ss and basically held him down on the ground...just a great, aggressive play against the short passes... Claypool has been tearing it up but was almost non-existent in yesterday's game except for a few short catches. Edited December 14, 2020 by matter2003 22 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: This was the play where Wallace almost got a pick 6...Big Ben was looking for Claypool but White pancaked him at the LOS and put him on his @ss and basically held him down on the ground... 2 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Wow---whole new meaning to the phrase "bump 'n run" coverage--I had no idea this could be a legal thing anymore in today's pass happy league! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Wow---whole new meaning to the phrase "bump 'n run" coverage--I had no idea this could be a legal thing anymore in today's pass happy league! Same. I truly did not know it was legal to just....TACKLE THE WR AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE! 😯 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Logic said: Same. I truly did not know it was legal to just....TACKLE THE WR AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE! 😯 Could we do this to the Pats' WR's, all of them, all game? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Logic said: Same. I truly did not know it was legal to just....TACKLE THE WR AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE! 😯 Been legal for maybe 10 years as long as you are within one yard (or is it 5) of the LOS i believe 2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Could we do this to the Pats' WR's, all of them, all game? If DBs did that constantly the way to counter if is for the QB to throw to where the DB has taken out the receiver and than it is an easy pass interference call Edited December 14, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Been legal for year as long as you are within one yard of the LOS i believe Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Been legal for year as long as you are within one yard of the LOS i believe contact is allowed within 5 yards I think. tackling is not, which this maybe comes a little close to, but no harm no foul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) Of course it's legal. This is exactly why sprinters can't just transition to NFL wide receivers. Getting off the LOS is an art-form as a WR. Edited December 14, 2020 by Jobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I've never seen this before. I've seen jams where the WR can't get off (that's what she said) and where they knocked them off balance....but not just smashing them to the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this? Because it is a high risk high reward type play...if he misses the jam it is an easy TD 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this? It happens every game, the problem is it prevents the CB from covering as well if the WR gets away and can lead to a bigger gain if a pass is completed. And while contact is allowed, you're not supposed to tackle the receiver or hold him down, I'm pretty sure that's a penalty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I've never seen this before. I've seen jams where the WR can't get off (that's what she said) and where they knocked them off balance....but not just smashing them to the ground. He didn't tackle him, he jammed him and Claypool fell down from it 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Because it is a high risk high reward type play...if he misses the jam it is an easy TD Makes sense--and I'm sure a lot of DB's don't want to get their shoulder pads dirty--but wow, I'd love to see this happen more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said: contact is allowed within 5 yards I think. tackling is not, which this maybe comes a little close to, but no harm no foul ^^ this. you can knock a guy on his ass, but you cant tackle him, that would be a holding call. What it looks like Tre' did these kinda straddles the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 You can contact a player within 5 yards of the LOS, not tackle. This isnt tackling because of how poor Claypool's awareness was on this play. White simply pressed him, Claypool went to the ground because he made no attempt to hand fight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I’ve been hard on Tre this year but maybe he is working his way back into form from his injury’s. Tre had a very good game vs the Steelers, we are getting hot at the perfect time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: He didn't tackle him, he jammed him and Claypool fell down from it Yes I dont think he "tackled" him. I think Tre saw Claypool totally not looking in his direction, instead he was watchinjng for the snap, a rookie mistake if you care going to be that close to the line. Tre barely had to move to knock Claypool. I bet Claypool will think twice before he tries that again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Been legal for maybe 10 years as long as you are within one yard (or is it 5) of the LOS i believe If DBs did that constantly the way to counter if is for the QB to throw to where the DB has taken out the receiver and than it is an easy pass interference call The way to counter it is for the WR to get past it. The DB has to come forward. Get past that and the WR is gone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this? Because if you extend and the receiver counters...they’re gone, especially a receiver like Tyreek Hill. White has the experience and moxy over Claypool. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, Thurman#1 said: The way to counter it is for the WR to get past it. The DB has to come forward. Get past that and the WR is gone. yes if you can bet that jam you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this? It worked because Claypoole, being a green rookie, never looks at Tre before ball is snapped. Never saw it coming. A veteran WR could make him miss and if man to man would be wide open 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) PFF didn't rate Tre on this so he still ranks 27th among NFL CBs Edited December 14, 2020 by 4merper4mer 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I’ll have to watch the All-22 but it looked to me as though he slipped as a result of the push. A number of Steelers players slipped last night (including on Diggs’ TD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I was wondering why Tre had that Offside penalty in the 3rd qtr (iirc). Now I know why. What a monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, matter2003 said: This was the play where Wallace almost got a pick 6...Big Ben was looking for Claypool but White pancaked him at the LOS and put him on his @ss and basically held him down on the ground...just a great, aggressive play against the short passes... Claypool has been tearing it up but was almost non-existent in yesterday's game except for a few short catches. I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤 That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rk_Bills86 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 To clarify - Contact is allowed within 5 yds... Absolutely mugging a WR is allowed within 1 yard (within reason - you can't choke slam one - See the niners linemen that did so to Diggs last week). Frankly - it's a great play by White. Claypool is a rookie and didn't use his hands to get off the jam. He also got jammed so hard he fell down - I don't think White expected all that force to go straight back - usually a WR will shift one way or another and he has to move. Regardless... That's what you can do to soft or inexperienced WR to dictate a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, freddyjj said: It worked because Claypoole, being a green rookie, never looks at Tre before ball is snapped. Never saw it coming. A veteran WR could make him miss and if man to man would be wide open If Tre still fell down, absolutely. I don't think he was expecting the pancake. 13 minutes ago, Codyny13 said: Because if you extend and the receiver counters...they’re gone, especially a receiver like Tyreek Hill. White has the experience and moxy over Claypool. Just a point I think it was a calculated risk for them....they had 2 other defenders in the vicinity so I think the plan was if Tre got beat one of them would pick Claypool up while Tre regrouped. 5 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said: To clarify - Contact is allowed within 5 yds... Absolutely mugging a WR is allowed within 1 yard (within reason - you can't choke slam one - See the niners linemen that did so to Diggs last week). They didn't get called on that, correct? 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤 That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes" Yeah. The rule still exists in that form because of play action. Without that allowance DTs would get penalties for tackling a RB on a play fake. The refs are just less forgiving on these calls with CBs because they’re out in the open and, well... it was what Darth Hoodie did to stymie the greatest show on turf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rk_Bills86 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They didn't get called on that, correct? 😬 The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤 That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes" WR's train in using their hands and sudden movement to get off the jam. Claypool did not seem to realize it was coming so didn't brace himself or do anything to counter. Most times the WR is ready and they engage the CB too and try to swipe their hands off. Claypool was just not ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Welcome to the NFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Welcome to the NFL Indeed! 6 minutes ago, MJS said: WR's train in using their hands and sudden movement to get off the jam. Claypool did not seem to realize it was coming so didn't brace himself or do anything to counter. Most times the WR is ready and they engage the CB too and try to swipe their hands off. Claypool was just not ready. And Tre made him pay 9 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said: The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI) I must be thinking of a different play where Diggs was getting mauled and I was "wait, you can't do that...can you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 You love to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Reminds me of Robin Williams in The Best of Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He didn't tackle him, he jammed him and Claypool fell down from it I didn’t say he tackled him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 In the olden days DBs and LBs could blast receivers from the snap until the ball was in the air. It was called “bump and run” in the seventies. Before then it was just called good defense like the head slap and grabbing the face mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 52 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said: The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI) Correct, it was holding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 58 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Yes I dont think he "tackled" him. I think Tre saw Claypool totally not looking in his direction, instead he was watchinjng for the snap, a rookie mistake if you care going to be that close to the line. Tre barely had to move to knock Claypool. I bet Claypool will think twice before he tries that again. Very similar to the play Tre jumped Offside. Just a second before the snap - Tre drove right into the middle of Claypools chest to knock him off stride and prevent him from getting down. The timing is critical and only works if you can hit the WR and not get knocked off stride. If you tried that with a veteran WR like Diggs - he has moves designed to counter and then blow past you once the DB is off balance. Claypool is not there yet, but this will be a learning experience for the rookie. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If Tre still fell down, absolutely. I don't think he was expecting the pancake. Just a point I think it was a calculated risk for them....they had 2 other defenders in the vicinity so I think the plan was if Tre got beat one of them would pick Claypool up while Tre regrouped. They didn't get called on that, correct? 😬 The Dlineman that tackled Diggs did get called for holding. Josh even pointed it out to the ref during the play and then threw the ball downfield once he saw the flag. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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