Baldy Breakdown - Tre destroys Claypool at the LOS on 3rd down - LOVE IT!!

[Big Turk]

This was the play where Wallace almost got a pick 6...Big Ben was looking for Claypool but White pancaked him at the LOS and put him on his @ss and basically held him down on the ground...just a great, aggressive play against the short passes...

 

Claypool has been tearing it up but was almost non-existent in yesterday's game except for a few short catches.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by matter2003

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

This was the play where Wallace almost got a pick 6...Big Ben was looking for Claypool but White pancaked him at the LOS and put him on his @ss and basically held him down on the ground...

 

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Wow---whole new meaning to the phrase "bump 'n run" coverage--I had no idea this could be a legal thing anymore in today's pass happy league! 

[Logic]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Wow---whole new meaning to the phrase "bump 'n run" coverage--I had no idea this could be a legal thing anymore in today's pass happy league! 

Same. I truly did not know it was legal to just....TACKLE THE WR AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE! 😯

[NoHuddleKelly12]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

Same. I truly did not know it was legal to just....TACKLE THE WR AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE! 😯

Could we do this to the Pats' WR's, all of them, all game? 

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

Same. I truly did not know it was legal to just....TACKLE THE WR AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE! 😯

Been legal for maybe 10 years as long as you are within one yard (or is it 5)  of the LOS i believe

2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Could we do this to the Pats' WR's, all of them, all game? 

 

If DBs did that constantly the way to counter if is for the QB to throw to where the DB has taken out the receiver and than it is an easy pass interference call

Edited December 14, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive

[Buffalo Junction]

[NoHuddleKelly12]

10 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Been legal for year as long as you are within one yard of the LOS i believe

Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this?

[Captain Caveman]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Been legal for year as long as you are within one yard of the LOS i believe

contact is allowed within 5 yards I think.  tackling is not, which this maybe comes a little close to, but no harm no foul

[Jobot]

Of course it's legal. 

 

This is exactly why sprinters can't just transition to NFL wide receivers. Getting off the LOS is an art-form as a WR.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Jobot

[Royale with Cheese]

I've never seen this before.  I've seen jams where the WR can't get off (that's what she said) and where they knocked them off balance....but not just smashing them to the ground.

[Big Turk]

Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this?

 

Because it is a high risk high reward type play...if he misses the jam it is an easy TD

[Captain Caveman]

Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this?

 

It happens every game, the problem is it prevents the CB from covering as well if the WR gets away and can lead to a bigger gain if a pass is completed.  And while contact is allowed, you're not supposed to tackle the receiver or hold him down, I'm pretty sure that's a penalty.

[Big Turk]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

I've never seen this before.  I've seen jams where the WR can't get off (that's what she said) and where they knocked them off balance....but not just smashing them to the ground.

 

He didn't tackle him, he jammed him and Claypool fell down from it

[NoHuddleKelly12]

9 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Because it is a high risk high reward type play...if he misses the jam it is an easy TD

Makes sense--and I'm sure a lot of DB's don't want to get their shoulder pads dirty--but wow, I'd love to see this happen more often. 

[wiskibreth]

1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said:

contact is allowed within 5 yards I think.  tackling is not, which this maybe comes a little close to, but no harm no foul

 ^^ this.  you can knock a guy on his ass, but you cant tackle him, that would be a holding call.  What it looks like Tre' did these kinda straddles the line.

[thenorthremembers]

You can contact a player within 5 yards of the LOS, not tackle.  This isnt tackling because of how poor Claypool's awareness was on this play.   White simply pressed him, Claypool went to the ground because he made no attempt to hand fight. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I’ve been hard on Tre this year but maybe he is working his way back into form from his injury’s. 
 

Tre had a very good game vs the Steelers, we are getting hot at the perfect time.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

 

He didn't tackle him, he jammed him and Claypool fell down from it

Yes I dont think he "tackled" him.  I think Tre saw Claypool totally not looking in his direction, instead he was watchinjng for the snap, a rookie mistake if you care going to be that close to the line.  Tre barely had to move to knock Claypool.  I bet Claypool will think twice before he tries that again.

[Thurman#1]

6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Been legal for maybe 10 years as long as you are within one yard (or is it 5)  of the LOS i believe

 

If DBs did that constantly the way to counter if is for the QB to throw to where the DB has taken out the receiver and than it is an easy pass interference call

 

 

The way to counter it is for the WR to get past it. The DB has to come forward. Get past that and the WR is gone.

[Codyny13]

5 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this?

Because if you extend and the receiver counters...they’re gone, especially a receiver like Tyreek Hill. White has the experience and moxy over Claypool.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Just now, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The way to counter it is for the WR to get past it. The DB has to come forward. Get past that and the WR is gone.

yes if you can bet that jam you do.

[freddyjj]

7 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Wonder why we don't see this more often then? With D advantages whittled down like they are, you'd think D coordinators, esp. those playing say, the Chiefs, would be all over this?

It worked because Claypoole, being a green rookie, never looks at Tre before ball is snapped.  Never saw it coming.

A veteran WR could make him miss and if man to man would be wide open

[4merper4mer]

PFF didn't rate Tre on this so he still ranks 27th among NFL CBs

Edited December 14, 2020 by 4merper4mer

[TroutDog]

I’ll have to watch the All-22 but it looked to me as though he slipped as a result of the push. A number of Steelers players slipped last night (including on Diggs’ TD). 

[NewEra]

I was wondering why Tre had that Offside penalty in the 3rd qtr (iirc). Now I know why.  What a monster

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

This was the play where Wallace almost got a pick 6...Big Ben was looking for Claypool but White pancaked him at the LOS and put him on his @ss and basically held him down on the ground...just a great, aggressive play against the short passes...

 

Claypool has been tearing it up but was almost non-existent in yesterday's game except for a few short catches.

 

 

 

I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤

That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes"

 

 

[Rk_Bills86]

To clarify - Contact is allowed within 5 yds... Absolutely mugging a WR is allowed within 1 yard (within reason - you can't choke slam one - See the niners linemen that did so to Diggs last week).

 

Frankly - it's a great play by White. Claypool is a rookie and didn't use his hands to get off the jam. He also got jammed so hard he fell down - I don't think White expected all that force  to go straight back - usually a WR will shift one way or another and he has to move. Regardless... That's what you can do to soft or inexperienced WR to dictate a game.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

It worked because Claypoole, being a green rookie, never looks at Tre before ball is snapped.  Never saw it coming.

A veteran WR could make him miss and if man to man would be wide open

 

If Tre still fell down, absolutely.  I don't think he was expecting the pancake.

 

13 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

Because if you extend and the receiver counters...they’re gone, especially a receiver like Tyreek Hill. White has the experience and moxy over Claypool.

 

Just a point I think it was a calculated risk for them....they had 2 other defenders in the vicinity so I think the plan was if Tre got beat one of them would pick Claypool up while Tre regrouped.

 

5 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said:

To clarify - Contact is allowed within 5 yds... Absolutely mugging a WR is allowed within 1 yard (within reason - you can't choke slam one - See the niners linemen that did so to Diggs last week).

 

They didn't get called on that, correct?  😬

 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤

That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes"

 

 

Yeah. The rule still exists in that form because of play action. Without that allowance DTs would get penalties for tackling a RB on a play fake. The refs are just less forgiving on these calls with CBs because they’re out in the open and, well... it was what Darth Hoodie did to stymie the greatest show on turf. 

[Rk_Bills86]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

They didn't get called on that, correct?  😬

 

 

 

The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI)

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I had NO idea 👀 a corner could legally do that to a WR coming off the line......😤😤

That ain't just "Take Away Tre" that's "Tredavious White's House of Pancakes"

 

 

WR's train in using their hands and sudden movement to get off the jam. Claypool did not seem to realize it was coming so didn't brace himself or do anything to counter.

 

Most times the WR is ready and they engage the CB too and try to swipe their hands off. Claypool was just not ready.

 

[GoBills808]

Welcome to the NFL 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Welcome to the NFL 

 

Indeed!

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

WR's train in using their hands and sudden movement to get off the jam. Claypool did not seem to realize it was coming so didn't brace himself or do anything to counter.

Most times the WR is ready and they engage the CB too and try to swipe their hands off. Claypool was just not ready.

 

And Tre made him pay

9 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said:

 

The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI)

 

I must be thinking of a different play where Diggs was getting mauled and I was "wait, you can't do that...can you?"

[Wayne Cubed]

You love to see it

[947]

Reminds me of Robin Williams in The Best of Times.

[Royale with Cheese]

39 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

He didn't tackle him, he jammed him and Claypool fell down from it

I didn’t say he tackled him.

[Supe]

In the olden days DBs and LBs could blast receivers from the snap until the ball was in the air. It was called “bump and run” in the seventies. Before then it was just called good defense like the head slap and grabbing the face mask. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

52 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said:

 

The niner's player? 100% got called for it. In real time I thought he horse collared him because - I think it ended up being a hold (not PI)

 

Correct, it was holding. 

[Rochesterfan]

58 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Yes I dont think he "tackled" him.  I think Tre saw Claypool totally not looking in his direction, instead he was watchinjng for the snap, a rookie mistake if you care going to be that close to the line.  Tre barely had to move to knock Claypool.  I bet Claypool will think twice before he tries that again.

 

Very similar to the play Tre jumped Offside.  Just a second before the snap - Tre drove right into the middle of Claypools chest to knock him off stride and prevent him from getting down.

 

The timing is critical and only works if you can hit the WR and not get knocked off stride.  If you tried that with a veteran WR like Diggs - he has moves designed to counter and then blow past you once the DB is off balance.  Claypool is not there yet, but this will be a learning experience for the rookie.

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If Tre still fell down, absolutely.  I don't think he was expecting the pancake.

 

 

Just a point I think it was a calculated risk for them....they had 2 other defenders in the vicinity so I think the plan was if Tre got beat one of them would pick Claypool up while Tre regrouped.

 

 

They didn't get called on that, correct?  😬

 

 

 

The Dlineman that tackled Diggs did get called for holding.  Josh even pointed it out to the ref during the play and then threw the ball downfield once he saw the flag.